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Hircus says

I'd argue we don't know their skill. We just know some portion of their training

Exactly. That you can find 30-50 jihadists trained to fly an airplane and willing to kill themselves in order to gain >70 virgins each in Allah's kingdom is the most believable point in the entire event. Obviously, an attack like this takes years of planning, training and preparation.

Onvacation says

richwicks says

Bitcoin says

To think that a building wont take heavy damage after getting hit by an airplane is as insane as predicting that Bitcoin will crash to 1.2k!

Oh, bitcoin will crash to 0. It's unusable as a currency. Nobody fucking believes me though, so fuck it.

I disagree. Stupid HODLERS think they own digital gold and will never sell. They forget that bitcoin is valued in fiat. Bitcoin very well may go to millions of worthless dollars for one useless bitcoin.

Onvacation got it! Dont know why this was turned into a Bitcoin discussion but yes, its a pipe dream to think it will crash to 0. More likely to see 500k BTC in the next years.

So, we're in the midst of a government imposed campaign of deception with experimental biological agents causing mass deaths, tyranny, social upheaval, and economic chaos on purpose over a fake pandemic, right after a rigged national election for President putting an unpopular senile pedophile on the throne, and yet people still want to believe it wasn't possible that in 2001 the government sacrificed its own citizens in an enormous programmed false flag in order to wage an unjustified war on the Middle East and diminish our citizens' rights?

Hope springs eternal in the wishful thinking breast. Let's keep living on naive planet while they herd us into the gulags with our jabs.

Ceffer says

an enormous programmed false flag in order to wage an unjustified war on the Middle East

We were attacked by Islamic terrorists and hit them back hard. If you mess with the strongest country in the world you get vaporized. There are millions of extremists who want to see the death of the USA. Nowadays, we target the fuckers with drone strikes. 9/11 wasnt a false flag. It was an attack by muslims. Europe is overrun by muslims. I dont want to see this happen to the US. Have strong borders, limit immigration from the middle east and take out extreme muslim leaders/terrorists with beautiful high tech drone strikes (daily). Go USA!

Ceffer says

and yet people still want to believe it wasn't possible that in 2001 the government sacrificed its own citizens in an enormous programmed false flag in order to wage an unjustified war on the Middle East and diminish our citizens' rights?

I'm not sure I've seen someone make that argument in this thread.

But I'm sure glad I'm not the only one who still sees value in discussing and debating specific facts and evidence.


Ceffer says

Hope springs eternal in the wishful thinking breast.

I sure hope the irony of the double sided nature of that statement isn't lost upon you.

Bitcoin says

We were attacked by Islamic terrorists and hit them back hard.

I disagree.

We were attacked by The Islamic Dictatorship of Saudi Arabia and hit the mostly secular country of Iraq hard.

A million Iraqis died for something the Saudis did.

The Saudis were never punished at all.

We punished the Saudis by immediately putting democracy in place in Iraq. Given the population breakdown of Iraq, that effectively gave Iraq to the Saudi's prime enemy...Iran.

George W. Love him or hate him?

Saudi Arabia was only possibly implicated by allowing themselves to be the patsies, and expecting that the successful false flag would allow them to spread Wahhabi type Muslim beliefs in the Middle East. Remember, Muslims slaughter each other's factions with the same glee that they slaughter everybody else. Saudi Arabia is the enemy of Iran, another Muslim state of different Muslim faction.

You wonder why they have never been held to count over 9/11? It's because they didndu it, and the American government knows it.

Purportedly, some of the depicted 'dead terrorists' who were still in the Middle East woke up to their shock to find their pictures in the paper as the perps.

The hijackers were Islamic terrorists from Saudi Arabia and several other Arab nations. Financed by the al Qaeda terrorist organization of Saudi fugitive Osama bin Laden.
The cancer (islamic terrorism) spreads across borders. I wasnt a fan of the Iraq war either. The middle east is a cluster fuck but we defeated al Qaeda and most recently ISIS. Whatever the next group calls itself, we will erase them as well. With special forces on the ground and drone strikes.

Hircus says

We just know some portion of their training.

We don't know. One can't just assume the narrative is true. Could they have trained elsewhere, that's not evident. Even with the standard 40hr minimum and potential flight sim time somewhere else, that's not real life hitting a 70' facade below your field of view (not a runway) at 200mph in a massively different class of aircraft. Likely under duress.

I'm not saying it could not happen. But it's okay to question. The narrative before they got off the ground and then in the air doesn't make sense. We'll never know because everyone on all the planes are dead now. So that's why the conversation goes to the buildings.

Something being possible, versus realistic is completely different. The scenario, with our military and the time between knowing (edit) shit was hitting the fan is simply not realistic. To get even one plane into a building is like winning the Powerball. They got 3 of 4.

People need to focus on the why and not the how it happened. The narrative is destroyed before a plane hits any building. The end result of dicking around in the ME kind of proves that.

The same Bush family that financed Hitler in WWII, was implicated in Kennedy's assassination, attempted to assassinate Ronald Reagan, brought you 9/11 false flag after announcing the few years before that we 'needed' a 'New Pearl Harbor'. Yeah, they are too moral and patriotic to do anything like that.

Bitcoin says

The hijackers were Islamic terrorists from Saudi Arabia and several other Arab nations.

I read that only one was non-Saudi, Mohammed Atta, and Egyptian.

At first there were reports that they were from various countries, then Arabs said "No, those are all Saudi names, except for Atta."

Patrick says

Bitcoin says

The hijackers were Islamic terrorists from Saudi Arabia and several other Arab nations.

I read that only one was non-Saudi, Mohammed Atta, and Egyptian.

At first there were reports that they were from various countries, then Arabs said "No, those are all Saudi names, except for Atta."

Everyone is dead (supposedly). No one knows any details about anything that happened on the planes besides a few phone calls from an airplane in 2001 (3G?) that got through, ATC communications and black box. It really is the perfect false flag. Nobody survived to tell you if these guys actually were in control of the planes. Could have been anyone or even remote.

Not defending Islam, as it's pure crap. But why didn't they attack Germany? Australia? Russia? I'm sure we're the big bad wolf in the Muslim world, but why just us? I know there's been attacks in Spain and France somewhat recently.

Did we dick around in the ME? For sure. So I get why they could be pissed beyond just their ridiculous religion. Would have been much easier to attack European nations. I feel like it's all part of a proxy war as we cannot be outright attacked in the sense of old WWII type attacks. We'd decimate anyone that tried without a nuke. So war has gone underground so to speak.

WookieMan says

Not defending Islam, as it's pure crap. But why didn't they attack Germany? Australia? Russia? I'm sure we're the big bad wolf in the Muslim world, but why just us?

Man, you make me laugh every day! Thank you!
There are 100's of reported attacks by muslims in Europe and the rest of the world. Those are just the big ones. If a muslim kills a white european with a machete I count that as a muslim terrorist attack as well, but not the fake media in Europe. They wont even show a picture of the attacker or a name. Luckily, in today's day and age, eye witnesses are in possession of a cell phones with a decent cam. Otherwise the media could sweep it under the rug.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

If you are muslim terrorist trying to harm the US, this is a before and after. Special Ops will get you! Go USA!

Bitcoin says

There are 100's of reported attacks by muslims in Europe and the rest of the world.

My point was about the scale. Reading. I mentioned other attacks in Europe. Jesus.

WookieMan says

Not defending Islam, as it's pure crap. But why didn't they attack Germany? Australia? Russia? I'm sure we're the big bad wolf in the Muslim world, but why just us? I know there's been attacks in Spain and France somewhat recently.

Because we were (are) the biggest super-power. Much of the attack was meant to be symbolic like hitting the WTC towers knowing it would provide spectacular video footage and death. Islamist fucks love their jihadi snuff porn of killing innocent civilians. It created thousands of recruits.

Bin Laden laid out many of his reasons in a manifesto citing US troops stationed in Saudi Arabia since the Gulf War containing Iraq with no fly zones. He hated that infidels were in Saudi Arabia. He also cited the fact that the US was the biggest Western backer and defender of Israel. Most of Europe hates Israel, especially back then.

WookieMan says

but why just us?

Not just us Wookie....islamic terrorism targets anyone that is not a muslim. We might be the #1 enemy but in reality Islamic terror groups are in an ongoing world war with everyone that does not follow their radical faith. Why are we the #1 enemy? Because we actually do something about it......not like europeans.....Without the US, islam would have probably overtaken the world by now.

little jihadist will always be crushed by US Forces




Jihadist might be laughing today, but tomorrow a US sniper will hit him between the eyes or a drone strike will make the sand glow.

If someone is going to have an emotional breakdown over red pilling, I definitely recommend continuing to blue pill until their resources can catch up. It's not worth an anti gravity loss of context.

socal2 says

jihadi snuff porn

Good term. That's exactly what it is.

Hircus says

I don't know what speeds and conditions that effect becomes significant. I feel like this angle looks very similar to landing on a runway. Pilots do this all the time. This should be easier in many ways, because there's no expectation of a smooth landing on the wheels.

If I went to the local airport, snapped my fingers to instantly place a 5 story, 65 foot pentagon-like concrete wall near the start of the landing strip, are you saying planes would suddenly have trouble hitting it?

What I'm saying is that the plane was VERY LOW and had to be coming in at speed because it had to do a fairly steep descent to hit the Pentagon.

I believe a plane DID hit the Pentagon, but I have a hard time believing a novice would be able to do that. It's also difficult to believe that nothing was done to prevent a plane that was known to have been hijacked would be allowed to fly into DC and hit the headquarters of the defense department.

I don't posit hypotheses - I'm just pointing out that the official story is very difficult to believe. People have suggested that the plane was flown remotely, which is possible - and it's even possible it was flown by a robot. It doesn't matter how it was done, the question is, is it likely to have been done in the way that's been reported? I think it's possible, but very unlikely.

Bitcoin says

little jihadist will always be crushed by US Forces




Jihadist might be laughing today, but tomorrow a US sniper will hit him between the eyes or a drone strike will make the sand glow.

You know, the easy solution to this is just to get out of the Middle East, and end immigration from that area.

That's IF the US Federal government cares about actually ending terrorism in the United States. Instead, they purposely create more terrorists by blowing up weddings and funerals.

The end goal of the US federal government is to justify their wars in nations that are on the other side of the planet and US citizens are purposely sacrificed in order to gain public support for this position. Al Aliwi Alissa's mass murdering of US citizens is exactly what the intelligence agencies and the military industrial complex were hoping for and perhaps helped construct. Alissa was supposedly known by the FBI before he murdered 10 people.

For all we know, Al Aliwi Alissa works for an intelligence agency. So - he's in jail now, pay attention if he's suddenly "murdered" - he could truly be murdered to shut him up, or it could be that he's "murdered" to extract him.

It's very possible, for example, that Epstein isn't dead. Cameras didn't work, we don't know where his body was buried, he updated his will just before his "death" and Alex Acosta stated publicly that Epstein was "intelligence" which is why he got such a sweetheart deal when he did 3 VERY easy years in prison - he was allowed out during the day but had to return to prison to sleep. He built his own accommodations at the prison as well.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/jeffrey-epsteins-wealth-allowed-him-many-perks-while-serving-jail-time-in-florida/2019/07/17/fab2c128-a8c5-11e9-a3a6-ab670962db05_story.html

I understand that sheeple believed in 9/11 hoax, Because is that what they are.
Pelosi said she would like to investigate voting fraud 2020 in 9/11 Cover Up style.

richwicks says

Instead, they purposely create more terrorists by blowing up weddings and funerals.

Nah, we target radical muslims. If they happen to be at a funeral or wedding maybe its just deception and in reality its a meeting of high level leaders to plan their next attack on white, innocent westerners. And lets be clear, if you take out a wedding party of muslim terrorist's you avoid having future terrorist babies as well. Think about all these terrorist attacks that were avoided by killing hundreds of thousands of radical muslims. Just a few million more to go!

Bitcoin says

If you are muslim terrorist trying to harm the US, this is a before and after. Special Ops will get you! Go USA!

LOL! This guy stopped aging since circa 1997-98 (when his Wikipedia photo was taken). 1997/8, 2001 and 2011 photos all have the same few white hairs in his beard.

Talk about poorly produced snuff porn . . . just like most "jihadi snuff porn."

BTW, I actually support the need to have troops actively engaging targets in order to maintain an efficient / functional military . . . however some of the propaganda nonsense is getting really sloppy.

Bitcoin says

Nah, we target radical muslims. If they happen to be at a funeral or wedding maybe its just deception and in reality its a meeting of high level leaders to plan their next attack on white, innocent westerners.

Do you honestly believe this? After 4 years of "Russian Collusion!" and a full year of "Covid is VERY DANGEROUS!" you believe this nonsense?

In the "naughts" (I guess you call them) it was a joke that every week or so, the "2nd in command of Al-Qaeda" was killed - don't remember the exact year, but they did it for nearly a full year. It's as credible as "systemic racism". Don't your realize our government lies to control the population all the time, and the US "news" media colludes with them to do it?

Remember whenever the Bush administration had bad press, that John Ashcroft would raise the "terror level" with that stupid color chart? How can you be an adult and fall of this nonsense?

Bitcoin says

And lets be clear, if you take out a wedding party of muslim terrorist's you avoid having future terrorist babies as well.

Haha - what the US ought to do is just drop nuclear bombs all over the Middle East because they're all just going to become terrorists anyhow

You seem like the type of person that would be calling the Vietnamese "gooks". You're certainly good at repeating the mindless, obvious, propaganda of the government. "We get them over there, so we don't have to get them over here", that stupid excuse for the Iraq War - which never attacked us - or we could just close the borders. That doesn't cost a trillion dollars and it's 100% effective.

So, in your opinion, the purpose of our 7 wars, are to kill targeted people, who are terrorists? White heterosexual conservative men are terrorists according to our government today.

If the federal mafia is rally trying to just kill terrorists, I'll make a suggestion - use a quad-copter drone to just drop basically a lawn dart right into the head of the targeted person. This is easy to do today - the dart would be an active one, could be steered. There, you can kill the ONE person you want to kill in the wedding and funeral, and there's no collateral damage.

Bitcoin says

Think about all these terrorist attacks that were avoided by killing hundreds of thousands of radical muslims. Just a few million more to go!

I'd say about 0.

Look, if a somebody just wanted to kill people in a terrorist incident, here's how they can easily do it:

Get 100 men in pickup trucks - 3 to a truck. Have two in the back of the truck which is filled with molotov cocktails, and in a single city, just start lighting homes and businesses on fire in suburbia. They'd overwhelm the fire departments in minutes and in 1/2 hour could be burning down half a city.

It's easy to destroy. Just ask the US military, or a victim of it.

In WWII the US did exactly what I described, except they dropped the cocktails from a plane. That would be easy enough to do as well, in a rented Cesna. It was called firebombing.

I'm just tired of people being gullible. I can't take you seriously for example, I can't believe you actually believe what you're saying, and if you don't, that you think so little of people that you expect them to believe what you are saying.

@rickwicks

that's the beauty of living in the US, the best country on earth. We can have a difference in opinion and you can be highly critical of your government and your fellow citizens. And you wont get punished for it. Free speech. If you would live in the Middle East or Africa, your head would have already been chopped off.

I dont think that Covid is dangerous per se. It really depends on your health and age profile. Our company had the best year in 2020 and I have never gotten such a large bonus and pay raise before. In a way, covid has been good to me.....I even get to work from home now 100% of the time! Yeeehaaa!!
I still got the vaccine (J&J) and I am not even at risk. I still get the flu shots every year as well. And I dont have dementia yet and are apparently still alive.

In regards to your other points. The US is the world police. Besides keeping us safe here, we make the world safer. Does the police do mistakes sometimes? Sure. And we learn from it.

I dont believe in conspiracy theories at the scale you describe (9/11 etc). The reason for it is, when you talk to conspiracy theorists the stories get very quickly, very crazy. And these people are not capable of looking at it with an open mind. Everything becomes a conspiracy and parts of it become so ridiculous that you just can't take it seriously. YOU even believe that someone planted explosives in the WTC. And you think that group of people didnt know what they were doing. They were just following orders ("drop a bag here").

I had a good laugh!

The US is a country with free speech, the ability to buy guns/ammo and to be very successful if we work hard. That doesnt apply to ALL people in the US but to many. There is no country like the US. I would never want to live anywhere else.....but I did....in Europe.

I hope today is another successful day to take out another bad muslim/jihadist guy or a bunch of them. Go USA!

richwicks says

I'm just tired of people being gullible. I can't take you seriously for example, I can't believe you actually believe what you're saying, and if you don't, that you think so little of people that you expect them to believe what you are saying.

I think it's the propaganda. Some people have bought the Koolaid and are trying to resell it. They think that an experimental biologic agent is the cure to the common cold, our government wants what is best for us, and, get this, they think bits on their flashdrive is "DIGITAL GOLD ".

I think they really believe it.

Onvacation says

get this, they think bits on their flashdrive is "DIGITAL GOLD ".

Absolutely. That's right.

I also believe that I am better off with the flu shot and the covid vaccine. But we will find out. I have about 5 more month and 20 days until I am supposed to get dementia. And by mid 2022 I should be dead due to the covid vaccine. Time flies. so we will see soon :)

Bitcoin says

You even believe that someone planted explosives in the WTC. And you think that group of people didnt know what they were doing. They were just following orders ("drop a bag here").

It doesn't take much thermite to cut each structural supporting column. There was "renovation" going on in the building in the days leading up to the event. The assassination of JFK involved multiple shooting teams totaling over a dozen men, and that's just for the spotting and trigger-pulling, with many hundreds of men providing logistics, coordination and paying/covering-up. A fatal flaw in the narrative of a airplane so easily bringing down a skyscraper is this: why would anyone or any organizations build skyscrapers after that? or finding tenants willing to rent in those buildings? There have been literally many dozens if not hundreds of skyscrapers built all around the world since 2001. Not having asbestos in the new buildings (therefore don't require billions of dollars to renovate the building taking that out) doesn't exactly provide additional structural strength to the building.

Bitcoin says

The US is a country where we can have free speech, buy guns/ammo and be very successful if we work hard.

That US (that you described) was a product of European fragmentation. It would not have existed without French throwing a monkey wrench in British colonial policies (even if the French monarchy was more tyrannical than the British; likewise British monkey wrench later brought down French monarchy). There is another US(SA) today in the blue states where free speech is massively curtailed, and politicians openly want to take your guns and claim all credit to your hard work! A centralized world government under whichever government would only be a new version of Nazi Germany, a new Stalinist Soviet Russia (USSR) and a new Maoist China combined, without the counterveiling force of Western Republics (and Constitutional Monarchies). The evil is fundamentally the bureaucratic monopoly and lack of individual rights (enumerated in the US Constitution, first 10 Amendments), which as we have seen in the past few months don't mean much in the eyes of the bureaucratic monopoly. An unfortunate nature of human being is that many inmates would be willing/eager to kill and bury other inmates if that "job" gives him/her a few more days before being killed and buried. Everyone loses in a centralized tyrannical system; any centralized system becomes tyrannical very quickly due to human nature.

Bitcoin says

that's the beauty of living in the US, the best country on earth. We can have a difference in opinion and you can be highly critical of your government and your fellow citizens. And you wont get punished for it. Free speech

We don't have free speech. This is why Glenn Greenwald lives in Brazil, this is why Julian Assange is in prison - for life. This is why Edward Snowden is in Russia and why Bill Binney was fired from his job.

Bitcoin says

If you would live in the Middle East or Africa, your head would have already been chopped off.

Wait 10 years. People like you do NOTHING to stop the progression. Nothing at all. Just "Amerika is the greatest country in the world!!! Let's vote for another Neocon puppet that will keep us in war for fucking ever" - these wars do NOTHING for the United States. What is the mission in Afghanistan? Yemen? Somalia? You don't know. I do - it's create chaos, control resources, and import opium from Afghanistan.

Bitcoin says

I dont think that Covid is dangerous per se. It really depends on your health and age profile. Our company had the best year in 2020 and I have never gotten such a large bonus and pay raise before. In a way, covid has been good to me.....I even get to work from home now 100% of the time! Yeeehaaa!!
I still got the vaccine (J&J) and I am not even at risk. I still get the flu shots every year as well. And I dont have dementia yet and are apparently still alive.

haha.

Bitcoin says

In regards to your other points. The US is the world police. Besides keeping us safe here, we make the world safer. Does the police do mistakes sometimes? Sure. And we learn from it.

The US isn't the world police. It's the gangster nation. The US is in Syria to put in a pipeline to Europe from the Golan Heights to Turkey, the US wouldn't care a BIT of Assad was actually gassing his own people, they don't give a damned there's slavery in Libya. The reason the US is at loggerheads with Russia is partially to prevent the Nordstream II from being completed - that's why they are in Ukraine and why they overthrew their government.

You have never talked to somebody in one of the nations the US has intervened in have you?

Bitcoin says

I dont believe in conspiracy theories at the scale you describe (9/11 etc). The reason for it is, when you talk to conspiracy theorists the stories get very quickly, very crazy. And these people are not capable of looking at it with an open mind. Everything becomes a conspiracy and parts of it become so ridiculous that you just can't take it seriously.

Oh my god. We just went through 4 years of "Russian Collusion!". There was Bana al-Abed, a kid that was supposedly a Syrian begging the US to please bomb her nation more, who supposedly was sending out Tweets from Aleppo every day - something I know absolutely to be impossible - if water wasn't flowing in Aleppo, the Internet certainly wouldn't be working. You (should) know the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was a false flag at this point. The Nayirah testimony in 1990 was propaganda, done by the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to create propaganda to justify the first war in Iraq.

There's the "Rebuilding America's Defenses" strategic from the Project for the New American Century:

https://archive.org/details/RebuildingAmericasDefenses

Page 51, 1st complete paragraph:



That was published on September 1, 2000. What a coincidence that just a year and 10 days later, exactly what they needed, happened.

Bitcoin says

I hope today is another successful day to take out another bad guy or a bunch of them. Go USA!

It's so hard to take you seriously. This is the kind of mindlessly buffoonery I expect to hear on network television "news". It's so, jingoistic. Childish. I can't help but think you're simply trolling me. It's difficult to imagine you being entirely serious and actually believing what you're saying. I have a difficult time imaging you're this ignorant. You seem more like shill than sincere believer.

@Reality,

Reality says

why would anyone or any organizations build skyscrapers after that?

How often does an airplane fly into a skyscraper? That's like saying, why would any company still manufacture car's. You can get killed by it.

Reality says

There is another US(SA) today in the blue states where free speech is massively curtailed, and politicians openly want to take your guns and claim all credit to your hard work!

I always say what I want to say. Some of my liberal relatives tried to alienate me because of it. So what? If you have toxic people in your life, get rid of them. In countries like France or Germany, you cant even post certain statements anymore online because they are outlawed. Frankly, shutting down someone's Twitter account is basically the same thing.

Politicians always come out with big headlines like "ban assault rifles". It's a good way to get more votes. Nobody would ever actually come to your house and try to take your guns on a LARGE SCALE. That scare is 20 years old (probably) that they will TAKE your guns. Its bullshit. But ammo/gun purchases will be made harder and harder. More regulations/bureaucracy and taxes.

richwicks says

We don't have free speech. This is why Edward Snowden is in Russia

Reading your first sentence tells me everything. This is what I mean when I say the stories get very crazy quickly.

per the internet:
"Edward Joseph Snowden is a former computer intelligence consultant who copied and leaked highly classified information from the National Security Agency in 2013 when he was a Central Intelligence Agency employee and subcontractor."

That's a little more than free speech. In your mind: free speech is dead and we have to live in Russia if we practice free speech.

That's why talking to a hardcore conspiracy theorist is not more than entertainment. I just cant take you seriously.

That's the second crazy story you came up with in just two days. Your first one was that the WTC was prepped with explosives by people that didnt know what they were doing and according to you preparing the WTC for an implosion was as easy as "drop a bag here".

See what I mean? There is no basis to actually have a meaningful discussion. Your are too far gone :) But it is entertaining for a while.

Bitcoin says

richwicks says

We don't have free speech. This is why Edward Snowden is in Russia

Reading your first sentence tells me everything. This is what I mean when I say the stories get very crazy quickly.

per the internet:
"Edward Joseph Snowden is a former computer intelligence consultant who copied and leaked highly classified information from the National Security Agency in 2013 when he was a Central Intelligence Agency employee and subcontractor."

Snowden revealed our intelligence agencies are violating the Constitution, and spying on all electronic communication, in violation of the 4th amendment. Bill Binney revealed this, was called a "conspiracy theorist" then (supposedly) resigned from his post at the NSA, then was relentlessly investigated and then ignored. Snowden is the man that proved that was Binney was saying, was completely true.

Bitcoin says

That's a little more than free speech. In your mind: free speech is dead and we have to live in Russia if we practice free speech.

I'm pointing out that Russia has more free speech than we do.

I donated the federal maximum to Ron Paul's campaign in 2008. Then I got accused of cheating on my taxes by the IRS in 2009. What a coincidence.

Bitcoin says

That's why talking to a hardcore conspiracy theorist is not more than entertainment. I just cant take you seriously.

If something I've said regarding a "conspiracy theory" is incorrect in your view, take issue with what I said specifically, and indicate that you think my statement is wrong, and I will explain why I have come to my conclusion.

Bitcoin says

That's the second crazy story you came up with in just two days.

What are you referring to? Quote me.

Bitcoin says

Your first one was that the WTC was prepped with explosives by people that didnt know what they were doing and according to you preparing the WTC for an implosion was as easy as "drop a bag here".

Where did I say that? Quote me. Don't strawman me.

Bitcoin says

See what I mean? There is no basis to actually have a meaningful discussion. Your are too far gone :) But it is entertaining for a while.

Not when you strawman me, there isn't.

As I said, you're acting like a shill right now. Don't strawman me, don't call me names, explain how you think I'm incorrect, and I will address it - but I expect you to quote me, and if you take me out of context, I'll fill in the context. I've done this many times with people who dishonestly try to win in what they think is a "debate". I don't debate, but I will discuss.

Anything I've said, that you think is not factual, please point it out and I'll address it. I very well may be mistaken about statements of fact I've given. If that's the case, I'd be happy to be shown to be wrong. I don't like being wrong.

richwicks says

Anything I've said, that you think is not factual, please point it out and I'll address it. I very well may be mistaken about statements of fact I've given. If that's the case, I'd be happy to be shown to be wrong. I don't like being wrong.

Don't hold your breath.

Some people quote out of context, even change quotes. If it entertains you to converse with these fools, I get it, but it does get old pretty quick when they have no real substance.

I think you're right. They shill for things they don't even understand.

richwicks says

What makes you think the Geraldo knows it contains explosives? "Just attach this bag in this location. Geraldo."

That was your first crazy story.

Your second one is that Snowden has to live in Russia because he practiced free speech. You dont want to mention he leaked highly confidential info. I am not saying he was right or wrong. I am saying you are wrong in saying that he lives in Russia because we have no free speech in the US.

your third crazy story is that the IRS targets you because you donated to Ron Paul.

The stories will go on and on and on. I was entertained until now but I am getting bored. I dont say you are a Loony but you are def too far down the rabbit hole and everything becomes a conspiracy. I wish you all the best.

Bitcoin says

richwicks says

What makes you think the Geraldo knows it contains explosives? "Just attach this bag in this location. Geraldo."

That was your first crazy story.

You are referencing this:

richwicks says

Bitcoin says

Geraldo's boss orders Geraldo to plant explosives in the twin towers on a Sunday night.

What makes you think the Geraldo knows it contains explosives? "Just attach this bag in this location. Geraldo."

And you've taken me out of context. I was pointing out that people involved in a conspiracy are often unaware they are part of it. That's why people in intelligence are often limited to a "need to know basis".

Bitcoin says

Your second one is that Snowden has to live in Russia because he practiced free speech. You dont want to mention he leaked highly confidential info. I am not saying he was right or wrong. I am saying you are wrong in saying that he lives in Russia because we have no free speech in the US.

He lives in Russia because the United States revoked his Passport as he was making his way to Hong Kong. This was done to make him appear to be a Russian spy, which the United States has repeatedly, falsely, claimed he was.

I'm demonstrating whistleblowers are punished and our government is deliberately criminal, and it's completely accepted at the top levels of government.

Bitcoin says

your third crazy story is that the IRS targets you because you donated to Ron Paul.

I can't know for certain, I said:

richwicks says

I donated the federal maximum to Ron Paul's campaign in 2008. Then I got accused of cheating on my taxes by the IRS in 2009. What a coincidence.

I don't know if it was a coincidence or not, I know I didn't have any errors on my taxes. When I contacted the IRS, they immediately closed the case. That made me feel like they were trying to intimidate me.

Bitcoin says

The stories will go on and on and on. I was entertained until now but I am getting bored. I dont say you are a Loony but you are def too far down the rabbit hole and everything becomes a conspiracy. I wish you all the best.

Haha, again, you simply dismiss things, and don't think about them at all. I find that insincere.

Remember the "5 dancing Israelis"? They existed. They were photographing and video tapping themselves as the World Trade Centers were burning, celebrating. They were arrested and their videotapes and photographs confiscated. They are classified:

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/10/no_author/the-dancing-israelis-fbi-docs-shed-light-on-apparent-mossad-foreknowledge-of-9-11-attacks/

Here is what an FOIA request produced, and all it produced:

https://www.scribd.com/document/409691150/FOIA-Release-of-9-11-Dancing-Israelis-thru-the-FBI

The FIB redacted images, and won't release the videos. They worked for "Urban Moving Systems" - they were illegal Israeli immigrants, who for some reason left Israel to work in NYC as movers. After 9/11 - "Urban Moving Systems" disappeared because, most likely, it was a front for Mossad.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Urban_Moving_Systems

There's a lot of suspicious things around 9/11, but you won't look at them.

richwicks says

And you've taken me out of context. I was pointing out that people involved in a conspiracy are often unaware they are part of it.

yep, and I am saying that I dont believe that group of highly skilled people that prepped the WTC for an implosion didnt know what they were doing. Not for a second. I also dont think that this actually happened. I think 2 airplanes hit the WTC and that's what caused the collapse not the bad US government hiring people to place explosives.

I blame radical muslims/islamic terrorists for it.

If someone would try to prep the WTC with explosives, someone would have noticed, someone would have leaked something and someone would have blew the whistle. I dont believe you can pull such a huge project and get away with it. It's not as easy as "drop a bag here".

richwicks says

There's a lot of suspicious things around 9/11, but you won't look at them.

For some, the cognitive dissonance of 9/11 is too hard to fathom and they put their fingers in their ears and say things like, "you are def too far down the rabbit hole and everything becomes a conspiracy. I wish you all the best." instead of trying to rebut, or even look at the evidence you are showing them.

For them "facts don't matter as much as the truth". For them truth is subjective.

It's kind of like the raving Karens who insist you wear a mask but don't know a single person that died of the Wuhan after 1 year, 27 days of a two week lockdown to flatten the curve of death.

I am afraid the curve of death is here to stay if we don't attempt, however futilely, to awaken these sleeping people to the threat of these globalist criminals. Unfortunately, "You can't wake up people pretending to sleep".