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Is California toast?

By Shaman follow Shaman   2021 Mar 27, 7:43am 464 views   20 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


With this ruling, the California Supreme Court did an end run around voters who firmly rejected the no bail plan on the last ballot. Now defendants will have to be released if they can’t pay bail. Unless of course the prosecution can prove that they pose a severe danger to the community.

Is this the end of Justice in California?
Or is that a trick question?

Is it the end of law and order? Should we sell our shacks now and beat the rush to the exits?

“ California's Supreme Court ruled it is unconstitutional to hold people in jail simply because they can't afford bail.

The ruling requires judges to assess community safety and a defendant's ability to pay bail when determining bail amounts.

High bail requirements disproportionately impact poor communities of color.”


https://news.yahoo.com/california-supreme-court-rules-unconstitutional-082922642.html

1   Booger   ignore (6)   2021 Mar 27, 8:59am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Fuck California.
2   Karloff   ignore (0)   2021 Mar 27, 9:03am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The only way to slap the bleeding hearts back into reality is to make them live with their choices. Ensure these released criminals are put into their neighborhoods. Set up a half-way house right beside a judge's residence.

Once they're inevitably victimized by these poor, poor, underprivileged souls, then they may see the light.
3   Glock-n-Load   ignore (0)   2021 Mar 27, 9:04am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I'm torn. I do not want debtors prisons. I think not being able to pay bail is similar. Money should not be a determinate of justice. How often do we see the rich get off scott free?
And if you haven't left California already, you got rocks in yer head.
4   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (3)   2021 Mar 27, 9:48am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Citizens here are fucked. Ruling class will be fine, they are sheltered away from those consequences.
5   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2021 Mar 27, 11:02am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Karloff says
The only way to slap the bleeding hearts back into reality is to make them live with their choices.

Good luck with that. The elite exempt their private schools from Covid closures, will have the police arrest any bums anywhere near elite gated communities, and the only interaction they have with illegals is the maids and workmen they hire to avoid tax and labor laws. They can virtue signal like hell with their support of $15/hr min wage, open borders, and school lockdowns.
6   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Mar 27, 12:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I think the question is: Is California ever gong to be un-toast again.
8   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Mar 27, 6:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Glock-n-Load says
I'm torn. I do not want debtors prisons. I think not being able to pay bail is similar. Money should not be a determinate or justice. How often do we see the rich get off scott free?
And if you haven't left California already, you got rocks in yer head.


Agreed. Money should not determine whether you walk or stay in jail, often bail is paid by people who then want "favors' in return. The problem is that CA requires the prosecution to prove that they are a danger which is utter leftoid retard bullshit. If they commited a violent crime they are clearly a danger, nothing needed to prove here. On that note Danville CA is one of the safest cities in the US, how does a Commiefornia city make it to the top? Easy, it's all about money, Danville is filthy rich so they will always follow their own laws. Try panhandling in Danville, you won't last 5 minutes.
9   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 Mar 27, 6:41pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

So flight risk has nothing to do with it now? So why should cops even arrest people?
10   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (1)   2021 Mar 28, 4:27am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HunterTits says
So flight risk has nothing to do with it now? So why should cops even arrest people?
Often, they don't.
11   Reality   ignore (8)   2021 Mar 28, 1:19pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Glock-n-Load says
I'm torn. I do not want debtors prisons. I think not being able to pay bail is similar. Money should not be a determinate of justice. How often do we see the rich get off scott free?
And if you haven't left California already, you got rocks in yer head.


Bail has nothing to do with debt. People are held in jail due to flight risk and/or risk to community if released after (allegedly) committing especially harmful crimes but before trial and sentencing. Bail amount is set to have an amount of money as surety that the defendant will show up for the subsequent trial court and not commit additional crime before the court date (and if the defendant skips bail, there will be funds for the search and arrest of the defendant via bail bondsmen; the risk itself would induce defendant not to skip court); the money is returned to the party posting bail when the defendant shows up for court. The defendant doesn't even have to be rich or even have the money him/her/their-self. If the liberals want to make sure everyone accused of murder/rape/mugging enjoy the benefit of being bailed out, they can post the bail money to get their favorite criminals bailed out. If they don't want to post the bail money themselves for their favorite criminals, then they are essentially saying they wouldn't bet money on the criminals subsequently showing up for court or the criminals not committing additional violent crimes before the set court date for the existing charges.
12   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Mar 28, 1:23pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

They have 'Go Fund Me's'. They need to start 'Go Bail Me', for your favorite threatening, decerebrate, violent felon, rapist, or murderer. It's time has come.
13   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2021 Mar 28, 2:52pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Reality says
the money is returned to the party posting bail when the defendant shows up for court. The defendant doesn't even have to be rich or even have the money him/her/their-self.


You are leaving out a major issue. Most people do not have thousands of dollars laying around they could use for bail money, or have friends with that kind of money. Therefore, they either stay in jail or use a bail bondsman. Bail bondsman charge 10%, which the arrested guy loses even when he shows up. That means that someone with a $5,000 bail is out $500, no matter what.
14   Reality   ignore (8)   2021 Mar 28, 2:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HeadSet says
You are leaving out a major issue. Most people do not have thousands of dollars laying around they could use for bail money, or have friends with that kind of money. Therefore, they either stay in jail or use a bail bondsman. Bail bondsman charge 10%, which the arrested guy loses even when he shows up. That means that someone with a $5,000 bail is out $500, no matter what.


The alternative is the (European and Asian) continental legal system: nobody gets bail; i.e. anyone getting charged with anything has to stay in jail until court hearing. Bail is indeed a privilege: the person has to be productive enough to post the bail (or at least be able to pay a bail-bondsmen to borrow the money) because the opportunity cost of the defendant's time is worth more; this feature of the English Common Law was based on the assumption that businessmen engaging in trade are more likely to get into disputes than serfs would, but their time has value. . . i.e. a way of avoiding administrative abuse where a magistrate is bought off by a rival businessmen to arrest and hold a businessmen in dispute.

If a person can not afford the $500 to get himself out of jail, then perhaps the free housing, free food and free healthcare in the jail is advantageous to him (given that he is already arrested for a crime; the validity of the arrest is outside the scope for discussing bail); of course, up to him to decide for himself. The fact that he has to pay the $500 (from a hypothetical $5000 bail) is only indicative of the low credit-worthiness of the defendant. Perhaps the liberals should set up more bail-bonds businesses competing the rate down to 1% instead of 10%, then the defendant would be out only $50. The rate is determined by the rate of defendants skipping bail, and the government licensing such businesses, as well as anyone believing in the cause willing to compete in the space; so all three factors are between the criminals and the liberals themselves.
15   RC2006   ignore (2)   2021 Mar 28, 5:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

California will only get worse as takers outpace makers more every year.
18   RC2006   ignore (2)   2021 Apr 18, 6:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Be nice if they could just deport a quarter of them but we cant even do that.
20   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 18, 6:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

RC2006 says
California will only get worse as takers outpace makers more every year.


Biden and the Dem Congress just bailed out California, NY, Illinois, Maryland, etc. in their multi-trillion 'stimulus' bill. The problem with Socialism running out of other people's money (makers) is thus worked around since they grab money from people in other states to give to the Bluetard ones. Thus defeating the reason for makers out-migration from California.

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