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porkchopexpress says

I appreciated the article and the guy's honesty. My wife and I have the debate often about leaving San Diego; she wants to stay and I think about going primarily for financial reasons. But, I do need to be realistic about what we'd be getting by leaving San Diego to only trade one set of problems for another. We're very fortunate that I have a high-paying job as an IT executive, so supporting our family of 4 as the sole breadwinner is not a problem at all.

Having said that, the financial frugality in me makes CA drive me nuts...but would it really be "better" elsewhere? I do really enjoy the weather and landscape here, especially now with COVID. I go on walks every day and bike rides every few days. I can play golf year round. I enjoy looking at the beauty. Coming from being a Trump supporter and caring about our financial health, it definitely takes a mental toll living here. However, we rent a basic home in a great school district, have two 8-year-old cars that we p...

Similar to my family. We are planning to move just don't know where. We were thinking Oregon before all this but it's turning baby California or maybe worse. Looking into North Carolina. The housing is insane compared to what you get in California and the weather is mild. Plus thinking of private school since I'm concerned with indoctrination that the teachers are giving about all kinds of irrelevant and meaningless things for example covid hysteria. Yes we'd leave the family - however if they keep trying to raise property taxes my parents may have to leave. Currently, with California's deficit we each have to pay about 17k.

mich says

porkchopexpress says

I appreciated the article and the guy's honesty. My wife and I have the debate often about leaving San Diego; she wants to stay and I think about going primarily for financial reasons. But, I do need to be realistic about what we'd be getting by leaving San Diego to only trade one set of problems for another. We're very fortunate that I have a high-paying job as an IT executive, so supporting our family of 4 as the sole breadwinner is not a problem at all.

Having said that, the financial frugality in me makes CA drive me nuts...but would it really be "better" elsewhere? I do really enjoy the weather and landscape here, especially now with COVID. I go on walks every day and bike rides every few days. I can play golf year round. I enjoy looking at the beauty. Coming from being a Trump supporter and caring about our financial health, it definitely takes a mental toll living here. ...

There are nice areas in every state, esp. Oregon, but I would not choose any state that has retard SJW leftoid fucks working hard to to bankrupt it and worse, remove safety by defunding and stripping the police. Rural or nice suburban areas may be fine but I'd say OR and WA are worse than CA at this moment. I'd go with NC.

mich says

Looking into North Carolina.

NC is the next state that is Californizing.

Rb6d says

I would make a reasonable deduction that may be until early 90's CA was a nice place to live in?

I suppose. Maybe I am one of the Old Farts who pines for the Good Old Days. Maybe. Maybe not.

Many of us hear all that Old Fart Good Old Days crap from our elders. I didn't. My elders were young adults during the Depression. They didn't pine for the Good Old Days. Instead they told us how grateful they were, and we ought to be, for the changes.

As long as I can remember, going back to the 1960's, it has always been pricey, with tradeoffs, to live here. I haven't lived anywhere else so I have no perspective.

What is Different This Time, since the years you said (1990's), is that the narrative of the region has come to be dominated by Cool and Hip Smugsters who migrated to here from all over the US and all over the world. Now they're minting their next generation of Smugsters. But, since they're so self absorbed with their careers (hafta be to make the house payment), they're not focusing much on parenting.

Oh they're focusing all right, focusing on working hard to make lots of money, like Holden Caulfield's parents. Paying for privilege but not parenting. Like the author of that piece, "buying" the top (according to ®ealtors) school district in Austin. A person with that tech executive's name now has an address in Almaden Valley. If I was going to parachute into SJ from elsewhere and let ®ealtors choose my kids' neighborhood/cohort/schools that's where it'd be too.

This leads to a toxic environment in the K-12, particularly in the high schools. Lifelong residents of the region, we know so many anecdote stories about it. So many. Most we know many that did not come to this, but three did: the worst of it is the high teen suicide rate. In my last job, I had three coworkers who had a personal connection to a teen suicide: close friend of one coworkers' kid, god-child of another coworker, and the child of another coworker. One suicide by Cal-Train, one by hanging, one by overdose. Locally-born kids of career-focused (and mortgage-focused) families who came here from all different places: one Chinese immigrants, one Indian immigrants, one white (from back east in USA). That's our "diversity", it even included diversity of teen suicides.

(Not so diverse) the "elite" high schools: one Palo Alto High School , one Fremont High School (in Sunnyvale), one Cupertino High School.

Another colleague and spouse, living in the Leafy Tri-Valley suburbs, both commuted here to "Silicon Valley" to make it all work. Latchkey children, you know. One of those, a jr high student, was last seen walking to skating practice after school in 1989.

A former neighbor of mine lasted a year before going back to LA. I'm in San Antonio.

His wife hated Texas.

Rb6d says

I would make a reasonable deduction that may be until early 90's CA was a nice place to live in?

I would say until the early 2000s, maybe even as far as 2010. The last decade was definitely the worst. However there are still enclaves where life is still mostly beautiful, esp. wine country, but also few parts of the bay area. Maybe if all the assholes move more based people will stay or finally move to CA, who knows.

NoCoupForYou says

mich says

Looking into North Carolina.

NC is the next state that is Californizing.

Yup but I hear the same for Texas, Idaho, Oregon & Arizona we're like Locusts.

Lol from Nat Geo:
Locusts have been feared and revered throughout history. Related to grasshoppers, these insects form enormous swarms that spread across regions, devouring crops and leaving serious agricultural damage in their wake. Plagues of locusts have devastated societies since the Pharaohs led ancient Egypt, and they still wreak havoc today.

B.A.C.A.H. says

the narrative of the region has come to be dominated by Cool and Hip Smugsters who migrated to here from all over the US and all over the world. Now they're minting their next generation of Smugsters.

Same happens in TX now, so we may be fucked

mich says

we're like Locusts.

With equity!

mell says

Rb6d says

I would make a reasonable deduction that may be until early 90's CA was a nice place to live in?

I would say until the early 2000s, maybe even as far as 2010.

I still like it here in the East bay. We have a lot of open space that have not been taken over by homeless. People pick up poop, dog poop, it's the only kind of poop I see. Still good restaurants around and I hope to eat IN them soon. Recreation.

The mismanagement of the state is heartbreaking to a native Californian. I tried Portland OR for a year way back in the 90's and found out I'm not cut out for dreariness. I've traveled around the country and found a lot of places that might be livable, and many more that I wouldn't even consider.

California is home. I'll probably fight it out here until the end.

When y'all bug out I'll keep a sleeper cell goin' here.

FuckCCP89 says

mich says

we're like Locusts.

With equity!

California Smug.

mich says

Similar to my family. We are planning to move just don't know where.

Really depends on your family, and your adaptability to change. But one thing I'd say from my failed move to Arizona, is pick a place where you know people(family or friends). I think that was the main reason our move failed, because honestly despite the heat, didn't really have any other complaints.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9187011/Sales-executive-slammed-complaining-Austin.html

'Douche' father-of-seven sales exec who moved his family from California to Texas then BACK again is blasted for complaining about Austin's 'rude locals, bland culture, oppressive heat and Yelp's bad food choices' in scathing Op-Ed

NuttBoxer says

Really depends on your family, and your adaptability to change. But one thing I'd say from my failed move to Arizona, is pick a place where you know people(family or friends). I think that was the main reason our move failed, because honestly despite the heat, didn't really have any other complaints.

It is relatively easy to make new friends in TX, provided that you avoid damned Yankees and socialize with Texans.

FuckCCP89 says

mich says

we're like Locusts.

With equity!

Not just home values but salaries as well. If you land a good job at the coast and try to get a similar job somewhere else you will be surprised how deep the pay cut is.
Buddy of mine lives in the IE and hates the commute to the coast. He tried for years to get a similar job in the IE. No chance without taking a 20-25% pay cut. And the IE is only 1.5H from the coast. Cant even imagine how the pay cuts look like in flyover country compared to coastal high paying jobs. Co-workers of mine tried to relocate to another state, keep the salary and job and work 100% remotely.
If your EE is fine with that, great.....but often they will adjust your salary based to the cost of living of wherever you move to.
Makes sense....imagine you live in IL and make 50k for job XYZ. Your new co-worker is from CA and gets 150k for doing the same job but he re-located to IL for whatever weird reason. Wouldn't you be pissed if he gets 3x more for doing the same and living in the same crappy area as you?

I got perfect weather in Socal, the beach, mountains and desert. Plus a high paying job. No money will get me to move to flyover country. Not a chance.

LOL! Alder's "California Douche Report". Well, I would bet a purse that Alder is a prick who makes everybody around him miserable in California, too. Viva La California Fucktard.

I lived in New Orleans for three years in school. New Orleans has a lot more to complain about, including a persistent old world class culture and third world ethos, but that strange charm seeps in after about a year and you are beguiled. Crappy fall down buildings with chipping paint can make you happy, go figure. You feel the deep layering of tradition if you are willing to pay attention.

It seems these complaining expats never stay long enough to absorb the surrounding culture and were, like a lot of Californians, born to be miserable and to spread misery to others as long as they can grasp their way into mm. deep materialism.

"The weatha, Maude, the weatha!"

Ceffer says

LOL! Alder's "California Douche Report". Well, I would bet a purse that Alder is a prick who makes everybody around him miserable in California, too

Like I said, Dale Carnegie kind of attitude is important in sales organizations. As is decorum, particularly in Japanese organizations. Hamamatsu is a Japanese Company. It's semiconductor equipment division in SJ will doubtlessly be targeting big accounts in Austin like Samsung and Global Foundries (formerly, Motorola). Bashing them is not winning friends and influencing people.

How long will Mr Alder continue in his director role at Hamamatsu?

G36 says

Not just home values but salaries as well. If you land a good job at the coast and try to get a similar job somewhere else you will be surprised how deep the pay cut is.
Buddy of mine lives in the IE and hates the commute to the coast. He tried for years to get a similar job in the IE. No chance without taking a 20-25% pay cut. And the IE is only 1.5H from the coast. Cant even imagine how the pay cuts look like in flyover country compared to coastal high paying jobs. Co-workers of mine tried to relocate to another state, keep the salary and job and work 100% remotely.
If your EE is fine with that, great.....but often they will adjust your salary based to the cost of living of wherever you move to.
Makes sense....imagine you live in IL and make 50k for job XYZ. Your new co-worker is from CA and gets 150k for doing the same job but he re-located to IL for whatever weird reason. Wouldn't you be pissed if he gets 3x more for doing the same and living in the same crappy area as y...

Good for you.

You can make your points, about what you like better about living in California, without attacking the locals of other places, telling what's wrong with them. Because you are not a prick.

B.A.C.A.H. says

Wouldn't you be pissed if he gets 3x more for doing the same and living in the same crappy area as y...

No. We make our choices and live with our decisions.

Onvacation says

B.A.C.A.H. says

Wouldn't you be pissed if he gets 3x more for doing the same and living in the same crappy area as y...

No. We make our choices and live with our decisions.

Not my words. I was quoting him.

As I say, he can make his pro-California points without making personal attack on others whose region and neighborhood he parachuted into and then decided he didn't like. Because, not all Californians are pricks.

Many (most?) of the California pricks, like that BYU alum, came here from elsewhere.

Patrick says

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9187011/Sales-executive-slammed-complaining-Austin.html

Looks like Mister Hamamatsu Director of Business Development also made the mainstream press in the NYC area.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/26/exec-slammed-for-complaining-that-austin-people-are-rude/

Ceffer says

Californians, born to be miserable and to spread misery to others as long as they can grasp their way into mm. deep materialism.

Overlaid with a pastiche of Orthorexy and maybe a little TM or Guru Following to show they're well rounded and very morally superior.

G36 says

Makes sense....imagine you live in IL and make 50k for job XYZ. Your new co-worker is from CA and gets 150k for doing the same job but he re-located to IL for whatever weird reason. Wouldn't you be pissed if he gets 3x more for doing the same and living in the same crappy area as you?

@G36 How are others supposed to know how much you make if you don't tell them?

HunterTits says

I moved the the family from Earth to Mars and regretted it. Here are some key points every person should consider before drinking Musk's Kool-Aid

Yay, patnet has matured into having parody threads!

Transcendental Masturbation and Subliminal Programmed Intolerance of Tolerance made me a better Californian!

Ceffer says

they think niceness is a sign of being weak minded.

In CA nice people get run over. Trust me nice doesn’t work around here. BLM wasn’t nice and they were in charge, nice people were all singing praises to them.

We have no unifying culture here, so it’s every man for himself.