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richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 3:31pm
richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 3:31pm
jazz_music says
I always do some sort of a quote, even something like this:
In response to jazz_music's earlier post
So people are able to easily reference the flow of thinking. Nobody is going to go through this entire thread to find out what you MIGHT have been responding to, so you're essentially talking to just one person - maybe 2 but presenting it to everybody.
richwicks saysWhat does that have to do with the topic? Why are you posting it in this thread?A direct response to the question from wookieman.
I always do some sort of a quote, even something like this:
In response to jazz_music's earlier post
So people are able to easily reference the flow of thinking. Nobody is going to go through this entire thread to find out what you MIGHT have been responding to, so you're essentially talking to just one person - maybe 2 but presenting it to everybody.
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mell
2020 Jun 2, 3:48pm
richwicks says
Nobody needs to determine if a thread is worthy but if you start such a thread you can basically say that you will delete all posts containing race amd ban the person from the thread if necessary so you can keep a scientific and rational discussion that leads to solution and ideas instead of blaming the boogeyman.
mell saysAgreed but we need to also establish ideas to discuss that are worth everyone's time and input. For example discussing mandatory body cameras on cops and protocols for other officers witnessing malpractice without even mentioning race as it is neither part of the problem nor the solution would be a thread that could be discussed rationally and without unscientific distractions.
I would disagree because who is to determine what subject is worth somebody's time?
Here's a suggestion though - let us mute (ignore) topics on the main page. For example (and no offense to the person posting it)
https://www.patrick.net/post/1331911/2020-05-01-help-me-save-my-neighbor
I will never contribute to that thread, and I'm not particularly interested in t...
Nobody needs to determine if a thread is worthy but if you start such a thread you can basically say that you will delete all posts containing race amd ban the person from the thread if necessary so you can keep a scientific and rational discussion that leads to solution and ideas instead of blaming the boogeyman.
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richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 3:51pm
richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 3:51pm
Patrick says
I think that is a too much of a burden. This is why I suggested categories.
Doing a written explanation of what is wrong with a post is tedious. A
"don't call people stupid" or
"don't use vulgarity" or
"don't XXX"
in a pull down menu - maybe.
Even that is a lot of work.
But then again anything other than:
Because that's just bullshit, and we all know it.
richwicks says2) the downvotes only count if there's a response from the person who downvoted it.
Yes, with civility rules this could be good. Maybe "dislike" should require a comment to explain why. So you click dislike, and it puts a quote of that comment in the comment box starting with: "Patrick disliked: ..."
I think that is a too much of a burden. This is why I suggested categories.
Doing a written explanation of what is wrong with a post is tedious. A
"don't call people stupid" or
"don't use vulgarity" or
"don't XXX"
in a pull down menu - maybe.
Even that is a lot of work.
But then again anything other than:
You have violated our terms and services - please search through here to guess randomly which one of them you think it might be. If you do not think you have violated the terms and services, you may hire a lawyer of which we have 2,000 to argue in court.
We are an open platform.
Because that's just bullshit, and we all know it.
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richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 3:58pm
richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 3:58pm
mell says
Banning doesn't work. It creates a bubble, and it doesn't give the opportunity of the person who has been banned to reconsider their position.
And it's not that I want to obliterate entire discussions, I just would like the ability to hide them from myself since I have no input - this way I can keep track of conversations that I might be interested in.
I may also find that all the conversations I'm interested in, nobody else here is - so there needs to be a way to reverse it as well.
Nobody needs to determine if a thread is worthy but if you start such a thread you can basically say that you will delete all posts containing race and ban the person from the thread if necessary so you can keep a scientific and rational discussion that leads to solution and ideas instead of blaming the boogeyman.
Banning doesn't work. It creates a bubble, and it doesn't give the opportunity of the person who has been banned to reconsider their position.
And it's not that I want to obliterate entire discussions, I just would like the ability to hide them from myself since I have no input - this way I can keep track of conversations that I might be interested in.
I may also find that all the conversations I'm interested in, nobody else here is - so there needs to be a way to reverse it as well.
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rocketjoe79
2020 Jun 2, 4:15pm
rocketjoe79
2020 Jun 2, 4:15pm
I think this move is fine. I've blocked those I find offensive already. I started reading this site for Housing advice and news. It's morphed into an "anything" site, which has attracted trolls. I've called some of those posts out, and blocked the real trashy offenders. No biggie. I come here for alternative views anyway.
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 4:31pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 4:31pm
OK, I implemented a few things today:
- Now when any comment is flagged, you can always see it in the html source by doing a "view source" of the page and searching for <!--
It will be there in the html source as an html comment. This is kind of tedious, more work than clicking the button, and that's deliberate. It should be a little bit hard to read those comments so that they are not really part of the conversation, but it should be possible, which it is now.
- There is a new kind of flag called "divisive". Users will still just click "flag" and the comment will go into moderation, where a moderator (there are currently seven moderators, let me know if you'd like to be one) will classify it, or just approve it, undoing the flag.
- You can no longer just edit and save a comment to undo its flag. That was a bug.
Still going to work on jazz's idea of extracting links from posts.
- Now when any comment is flagged, you can always see it in the html source by doing a "view source" of the page and searching for <!--
It will be there in the html source as an html comment. This is kind of tedious, more work than clicking the button, and that's deliberate. It should be a little bit hard to read those comments so that they are not really part of the conversation, but it should be possible, which it is now.
- There is a new kind of flag called "divisive". Users will still just click "flag" and the comment will go into moderation, where a moderator (there are currently seven moderators, let me know if you'd like to be one) will classify it, or just approve it, undoing the flag.
- You can no longer just edit and save a comment to undo its flag. That was a bug.
Still going to work on jazz's idea of extracting links from posts.
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GNL
2020 Jun 2, 4:33pm
GNL
2020 Jun 2, 4:33pm
richwicks says
Actually, I don't think there should be any moderating or censoring on patrick.net. There are very few places on the internet where a person can say any damn thing they want anonymously. Free speech should be treasured.
WineHorror1 saysI vote to moderate VERY CAREFULLY.
Have a line that people can't cross (I suggest to block anyone who consistently denigrates the Constitution and/or the Bill of Rights), give X number of warnings and then block their IP address.
Oh come on!
Part of Freedom of Speech is to identify who the nuts are after all.
Somebody talking crap about the Bill of rights and Constitution - if you can't explain to them how wrong they are, you haven't thought too much about history.
Some fool talking about ending 1st amendment rights - fine - that means they can live as non human animals, who can never complain about our condition and have to accept a religion called Scientology and be required to tithe to this church 15% of our income and go to services every day. It's the law!
BTW - we lost 4th amendment rights with the Patriot Act. That's gone.
Actually, I don't think there should be any moderating or censoring on patrick.net. There are very few places on the internet where a person can say any damn thing they want anonymously. Free speech should be treasured.
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 4:35pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 4:35pm
WineHorror1 says
Damn, that's was a bug I just introduced. Should be gone now. Thanks for telling me.
What's with all the "false" add-ons at the end of everyone's comment?
Damn, that's was a bug I just introduced. Should be gone now. Thanks for telling me.
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richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 4:48pm
richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 4:48pm
Patrick says
@Patrick - Are you developing on Apache? I can setup a virtual machine for you to develop on, and mirror your site. I have a GB internet speed.
But I would have access to your code - and you probably don't want that.
If it is Apache, I can setup a raspberry pi 4 for you, clone the enabled mods, and just send you an SD card or even the box. It's only $100. Then you have a local place to develop. You can even duplicate the site. 256GB of space should be enough.
WineHorror1 saysWhat's with all the "false" add-ons at the end of everyone's comment?
Damn, that's was a bug I just introduced. Should be gone now. Thanks for telling me.
@Patrick - Are you developing on Apache? I can setup a virtual machine for you to develop on, and mirror your site. I have a GB internet speed.
But I would have access to your code - and you probably don't want that.
If it is Apache, I can setup a raspberry pi 4 for you, clone the enabled mods, and just send you an SD card or even the box. It's only $100. Then you have a local place to develop. You can even duplicate the site. 256GB of space should be enough.
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 4:50pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 4:50pm
NoCoupForYou says
I think it can happen here at least.
Comments about "Evil Whiteness" should be flagged by users, and a moderator should mark them as "divisive", a new category.
It's about as divisive as one can imagine.
Patrick saysMaybe the main thing should be unifying vs divisive. That may be even more important than civility.
Sorry Pat, that can't happen until at a minimum, we get control back of education from Intersectionals.
K-12 literally teaches that unity is Evil Whiteness and that every non-White group must be encouraged not to assimiliate, but all Whites must endorse (but not culturally appropriate or ignore)
I think it can happen here at least.
Comments about "Evil Whiteness" should be flagged by users, and a moderator should mark them as "divisive", a new category.
It's about as divisive as one can imagine.
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richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 4:53pm
richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 4:53pm
WineHorror1 says
I made a suggestion that Patrick mentioned he would follow. It won't really be moderated, it's an opt in moderation basically.
I don't generally like moderation, but sometimes I feel people post just to gunk up the conversation and they are doing it just purposely to destroy the ability to have a conversation.
Moderators do that as well, particularly on Disqus. I used to do screenshots on Disqus when I was "moderated" and post a picture to the person I was attempting to have a conversation. I got a lot of people to realize there really was political censorship on that site doing that because the script banning discussions didn't have OCR. I finally got banned from the entire site, then I blocked disqus from my hosts file. You can't contradict the official government story on Disqus in many cases.
Actually, I don't think there should be any moderating or censoring on patrick.net. There are very few places on the internet where a person can say any damn thing they want anonymously. Free speech should be treasured.
I made a suggestion that Patrick mentioned he would follow. It won't really be moderated, it's an opt in moderation basically.
I don't generally like moderation, but sometimes I feel people post just to gunk up the conversation and they are doing it just purposely to destroy the ability to have a conversation.
Moderators do that as well, particularly on Disqus. I used to do screenshots on Disqus when I was "moderated" and post a picture to the person I was attempting to have a conversation. I got a lot of people to realize there really was political censorship on that site doing that because the script banning discussions didn't have OCR. I finally got banned from the entire site, then I blocked disqus from my hosts file. You can't contradict the official government story on Disqus in many cases.
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 4:54pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 4:54pm
jazz_music says
That's divisive. It really is. And personal too.
Please don't do that. Debate ends at the very moment you type those divisive personal words.
To fix problems, we have to forget about The People's Front of Judea (the rival party) and concentrate on the Romans (the actual oppressor).
The Romans being global capital, imho.
How does following a cult make you qualified...
That's divisive. It really is. And personal too.
Please don't do that. Debate ends at the very moment you type those divisive personal words.
To fix problems, we have to forget about The People's Front of Judea (the rival party) and concentrate on the Romans (the actual oppressor).
The Romans being global capital, imho.
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:00pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:00pm
richwicks says
I like the idea of needing to make a comment to have a downvote, but I'm not sure we need to measure the 1000 minds who downvoted just because they are upset and angry.
It does seem productive to ask people why they disliked a comment. Then maybe there can be some self-reflection by the disliker, who might conclude they don't really have any rational reason. And maybe there can be some good feedback to the author of the comment.
I always found that the negative Amazon reviews were more valuable than the positive ones.
A thousand downvotes and one upvote and no explanation of why what was said is wrong, tells me it was right over the mark, and it just blew 1000 minds and they are upset and angry. It tells me one person had the courage to agree despite it being very unpopular.
That's why both counts should be kept.
I like the idea of needing to make a comment to have a downvote, but I'm not sure we need to measure the 1000 minds who downvoted just because they are upset and angry.
It does seem productive to ask people why they disliked a comment. Then maybe there can be some self-reflection by the disliker, who might conclude they don't really have any rational reason. And maybe there can be some good feedback to the author of the comment.
I always found that the negative Amazon reviews were more valuable than the positive ones.
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2020 Jun 2, 5:02pm
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2020 Jun 2, 5:02pm
No one should be able to simply link and quote an editorial or editorialized(IE Washington post) article and not themselves explain why it’s relevant or the point they are attempting to make.
Nearly all the leftists do this and it comprises most of their postings...Tim, Jazz, and the recurring guy who keeps coming back with different accounts every week. I think Marcus is the only left leaning poster who does not do this.
It’s a ton of work to debunk a false news article, and frankly disheartening for someone like me who has been working full time to see bullshit that poster takes five seconds to put up but takes substantial amounts of time to correctly disprove.
It’s why so many of my posts are one line or two and super dismissive...all I have time to do is refute one or two points and it has to be something I already know.
Nearly all the leftists do this and it comprises most of their postings...Tim, Jazz, and the recurring guy who keeps coming back with different accounts every week. I think Marcus is the only left leaning poster who does not do this.
It’s a ton of work to debunk a false news article, and frankly disheartening for someone like me who has been working full time to see bullshit that poster takes five seconds to put up but takes substantial amounts of time to correctly disprove.
It’s why so many of my posts are one line or two and super dismissive...all I have time to do is refute one or two points and it has to be something I already know.
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:04pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:04pm
richwicks says
Bingo!
Trump absolutely has that claim to be a good president: not starting wars.
That doesn't make people who object to war into "Trump cultists".
You're projecting a lot of venom on people. The main reason I like Trump, for example, is he's not started a new war. I'm not hard to please, but the last time we had a president that didn't start a new war in his first term was Jimmy Carter. I was 9 when he left office. I get tired of people calling me a "fanatic" or something similar just because I'm overjoyed about not starting up another war to steal shit in my name, with my tax money. Tired of this murderous government keeping us in endless wars.
Bingo!
Trump absolutely has that claim to be a good president: not starting wars.
That doesn't make people who object to war into "Trump cultists".
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:07pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:07pm
WineHorror1 says
If you can use "view source" in a browser, you can see what comments are being blocked now.
Hopefully that will reassure you that no one is being blocked for having an opinion, only for being deliberately divisive, weakening all of us so that we cannot unify against the powers that exploit us.
I vote to moderate VERY CAREFULLY.
Have a line that people can't cross (I suggest to block anyone who consistently denigrates the Constitution and/or the Bill of Rights), give X number of warnings and then block their IP address.
If you can use "view source" in a browser, you can see what comments are being blocked now.
Hopefully that will reassure you that no one is being blocked for having an opinion, only for being deliberately divisive, weakening all of us so that we cannot unify against the powers that exploit us.
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:09pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:09pm
richwicks says
We should fight to get it back. The game is never over! They will keep taking away rights until people resist one way or another.
And as soon as we slack off, they will start taking away rights again.
The current situation is terrible, but it's not hopeless.
BTW - we lost 4th amendment rights with the Patriot Act. That's gone.
We should fight to get it back. The game is never over! They will keep taking away rights until people resist one way or another.
And as soon as we slack off, they will start taking away rights again.
The current situation is terrible, but it's not hopeless.
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:11pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:11pm
richwicks says
So are you saying that you want ignore for individual threads? That could be done. But ignore for entire topics is harder. How would I define a topic programmatically?
I could pretty easily make something that ignores threads with certain keywords in them.
I'd just like to be able to ignore entire topics of discussion.
So are you saying that you want ignore for individual threads? That could be done. But ignore for entire topics is harder. How would I define a topic programmatically?
I could pretty easily make something that ignores threads with certain keywords in them.
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richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 5:12pm
richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 5:12pm
jazz_music says
You often don't quote people so it's difficult to ascertain to whom you are responding to.
I just followed the thread up clicking the "soinso says" part, and ended up with your post - it wasn't even clear to me you were responding to somebody. I thought you were just randomly ranting.
@Patrick - maybe (just as a suggestion), a "reply to" button that is like quote - but it just references who you are replying to, would be nice. I'm sure you have enough work to do though. Let me know if you want a development box. If you're not using any commercial packages, I should be able to give you a near complete system.
Patrick saysThat's divisive. It really is. And personal too.Oh?
That comment was to the commenter above that starts right in with “TDS” since the accuser is actually the afflicted.
You wouldn’t overlook that would you?
You often don't quote people so it's difficult to ascertain to whom you are responding to.
I just followed the thread up clicking the "soinso says" part, and ended up with your post - it wasn't even clear to me you were responding to somebody. I thought you were just randomly ranting.
@Patrick - maybe (just as a suggestion), a "reply to" button that is like quote - but it just references who you are replying to, would be nice. I'm sure you have enough work to do though. Let me know if you want a development box. If you're not using any commercial packages, I should be able to give you a near complete system.
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:18pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:18pm
richwicks says
I'm on nginx and node on a Digital Ocean virtual server.
I develop locally on my laptop on node, and just rsync. It works pretty well.
I'm grateful for the offer, but doing ok with laptop to server development. The source code is at https://github.com/killelea/node.patrick.net It's not all that well done and you might run into problems trying to set it up.
Patrick saysWineHorror1 saysWhat's with all the "false" add-ons at the end of everyone's comment?
Damn, that's was a bug I just introduced. Should be gone now. Thanks for telling me.
Patrick - Are you developing on Apache? I can setup a virtual machine for you to develop on, and mirror your site. I have a GB internet speed.
But I would have access to your code - and you probably don't want that.
If it is Apache, I can setup a raspberry pi 4 for you, clone the enabled mods, and just send you an SD card or even the box. It's only $100. Then you have a local place to develop. You can even duplicate the site. 256GB of space should be enough.
I'm on nginx and node on a Digital Ocean virtual server.
I develop locally on my laptop on node, and just rsync. It works pretty well.
I'm grateful for the offer, but doing ok with laptop to server development. The source code is at https://github.com/killelea/node.patrick.net It's not all that well done and you might run into problems trying to set it up.
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richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 5:22pm
richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 5:22pm
Patrick says
You sure you want to leave it open for, well, theft?
Remember, that's how Fuckerberg made his money, stealing code.
The source code is at
You sure you want to leave it open for, well, theft?
Remember, that's how Fuckerberg made his money, stealing code.
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marcus
2020 Jun 2, 5:22pm
marcus
2020 Jun 2, 5:22pm
Patrick says
I don't like that. Patrick, Patrck, Patrick. I don't know why I even try to give the awesome suggestions I do.
Your doing that divisive feature becasue you're upset about "Trump Cultist" supposedly being divisive. Not realizing that Trump being President was the most politically divisive thing I've seen in my life. Using the term "Trump cult" is more than anything commenting on how divisive Trump is, something you knowingly chose to support.
It's a mistake. Divisive is in the eyes of the beholder.
Can I flag any comment where you advocate massive deportation of millions of illegal immigrants as divisive ?
What if someone is for strong strong gun control. Isn't that divisive ?
- There is a new kind of flag called "divisive"
I don't like that. Patrick, Patrck, Patrick. I don't know why I even try to give the awesome suggestions I do.
Your doing that divisive feature becasue you're upset about "Trump Cultist" supposedly being divisive. Not realizing that Trump being President was the most politically divisive thing I've seen in my life. Using the term "Trump cult" is more than anything commenting on how divisive Trump is, something you knowingly chose to support.
It's a mistake. Divisive is in the eyes of the beholder.
Can I flag any comment where you advocate massive deportation of millions of illegal immigrants as divisive ?
What if someone is for strong strong gun control. Isn't that divisive ?
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rdm
2020 Jun 2, 5:24pm
Patrick says
So I suppose a certain thread that has been around for months, titled only the left is violent is not divisive? Seems to me that the whole idea of the change is to allow the moderators more power to censor the left leaning/anti Trumpists all in the name of civility. Because aren't all the moderators right leaning? My guess is this site which is already 80% right will become the right wing echo chamber that is reflected on multiple threads. But it will be civil and un-divisive because everyone on the right generally agrees with each other as to the main issues. And those on the left will follow those that have already departed. Oh yes there will be a bit of pecking around the edges but mostly mutual oral genital stimulation will prevail. Kumbaya. But prove me wrong.
How does following a cult make you qualified...
That's divisive. It really is
So I suppose a certain thread that has been around for months, titled only the left is violent is not divisive? Seems to me that the whole idea of the change is to allow the moderators more power to censor the left leaning/anti Trumpists all in the name of civility. Because aren't all the moderators right leaning? My guess is this site which is already 80% right will become the right wing echo chamber that is reflected on multiple threads. But it will be civil and un-divisive because everyone on the right generally agrees with each other as to the main issues. And those on the left will follow those that have already departed. Oh yes there will be a bit of pecking around the edges but mostly mutual oral genital stimulation will prevail. Kumbaya. But prove me wrong.
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GNL
2020 Jun 2, 5:25pm
GNL
2020 Jun 2, 5:25pm
Patrick says
I pray you are correct.
richwicks saysBTW - we lost 4th amendment rights with the Patriot Act. That's gone.
We should fight to get it back. The game is never over! They will keep taking away rights until people resist one way or another.
And as soon as we slack off, they will start taking away rights again.
The current situation is terrible, but it's not hopeless.
I pray you are correct.
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marcus
2020 Jun 2, 5:26pm
marcus
2020 Jun 2, 5:26pm
Patrick says
He had the idea too. Cool.
Still going to work on jazz's idea of extracting links from posts.
He had the idea too. Cool.
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GNL
2020 Jun 2, 5:29pm
GNL
2020 Jun 2, 5:29pm
marcus says
This is why I suggested any anti Constitution or anti Bill of Rights talk should be banned. This is America, how can pro guns be divisive? How can deporting illegal criminals be divisive? Come on man.
Patrick says- There is a new kind of flag called "divisive"
I don't like that. Patrick, Patrck, Patrick. I don't know why I even try to give the awesome suggestions I do.
Your doing that divisive feature becasue your upset about Trump Cultist supposedly being divisive.
Divisive is in the eyes of the beholder.
Can I flag any comment where you advocate massive deportation of millions of illegal immigrants as divisive ?
What if someone is for strong strong gun control. Isn't that divisive ?
This is why I suggested any anti Constitution or anti Bill of Rights talk should be banned. This is America, how can pro guns be divisive? How can deporting illegal criminals be divisive? Come on man.
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Onvacation
2020 Jun 2, 5:35pm
Onvacation
2020 Jun 2, 5:35pm
Patrick says
What if I'm the only one who knows I am mocking them?
Onvacation saysDoes this mean I cannot mock anyone for spelling and factual errors?
Right, don't mock them. There's no point other than to be cruel.
It's OK to correct them, in fact it's a good deed if you're nice enough about it.
What if I'm the only one who knows I am mocking them?
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:37pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:37pm
richwicks says
You're right. Deleted.
Patrick saysThe source code is at
You sure you want to leave it open for, well, theft?
Remember, that's how Fuckerberg made his money, stealing code.
You're right. Deleted.
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:40pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:40pm
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says
@APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch we all love you, we really do, but you get the idea.
Let's work together against our owners instead of being divided against each other.
I know you don't like Trump and that's fine. But it would be nice to talk about concrete reasons and things we can do to improve our situation.
But you told me I was OBLIGATED! TO! OFFEND!
I took lessons and everything!
@APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch we all love you, we really do, but you get the idea.
Let's work together against our owners instead of being divided against each other.
I know you don't like Trump and that's fine. But it would be nice to talk about concrete reasons and things we can do to improve our situation.
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2020 Jun 2, 5:41pm
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2020 Jun 2, 5:41pm
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says
But you told me I was OBLIGATED! TO! OFFEND!
I took lessons and everything!
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richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 5:41pm
richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 5:41pm
Patrick says
You can just make it private!
You don't want to lose your history.
Shit, I should have copied it. If you're willing, I'll take a copy to develop it. I have a couple of good ideas that are patentable, but not really suitable for this site. If you're willing to allow me have a copy I'll partner with anything I produce.
richwicks saysPatrick saysThe source code is at
You sure you want to leave it open for, well, theft?
Remember, that's how Fuckerberg made his money, stealing code.
You're right. Deleted.
You can just make it private!
You don't want to lose your history.
Shit, I should have copied it. If you're willing, I'll take a copy to develop it. I have a couple of good ideas that are patentable, but not really suitable for this site. If you're willing to allow me have a copy I'll partner with anything I produce.
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:45pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:45pm
marcus says
Well, we disagree there too. Maybe some divisive examples will help:
- All Trumpists are retarded and I hate them!
- Only the left is violent (that's me, and I regret it in some ways, but still believe it's pretty much true, especially after these riots)
- Trump sucks donkey dick!
Not divisive:
- Why does anyone support Trump? I don't understand it.
- The majority of political violence seems to emanate from the left lately.
- I don't think Trump is a good president because he is protecting Saudia Arabia, the source of the 9/11 attack.
A modicum of sympathy for the commenter goes a long way too.
We really are all on the same team, team proletariat, but don't see it clearly. Well, maybe someone on here has direct influence over lawmakers via lobbying cash, but it doesn't seem likely.
It's a mistake. Divisive is in the eyes of the beholder.
Well, we disagree there too. Maybe some divisive examples will help:
- All Trumpists are retarded and I hate them!
- Only the left is violent (that's me, and I regret it in some ways, but still believe it's pretty much true, especially after these riots)
- Trump sucks donkey dick!
Not divisive:
- Why does anyone support Trump? I don't understand it.
- The majority of political violence seems to emanate from the left lately.
- I don't think Trump is a good president because he is protecting Saudia Arabia, the source of the 9/11 attack.
A modicum of sympathy for the commenter goes a long way too.
We really are all on the same team, team proletariat, but don't see it clearly. Well, maybe someone on here has direct influence over lawmakers via lobbying cash, but it doesn't seem likely.
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richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 5:47pm
richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 5:47pm
rdm says
What are the issues?
When I attempt to engage with somebody on "the left", they seem so steer well clear of what I consider issues. Here's a couple of issues I am concerned with.
1) War - what is our missing in Afghanistan? How about Syria? Yemen? WTF are we are war?
2) misinformation or propaganda in the "mainstream news".
3) corruption in our intelligence agencies. I have seen multiple intelligence officials lie to Congress and not be prosecuted for perjury.
4) corruption in the Department of Justice. Flynn was railroaded, why is nobody held accountable?
5) corruption in the Department of Justice. They refused to prosecute Clinton although they had her dead to rights on placing classified information on an unsecured server. If I had done that, I'd probably just be getting out of jail now.
6) censorship promoted by the government. The internet was specifically created to end censorship, it's been ramped up.
What are your priorities? What do you consider important issues?
My guess is this site which is already 80% right will become the right wing echo chamber that is reflected on multiple threads. But it will be civil and un-divisive because everyone on the right generally agrees with each other as to the main issues
What are the issues?
When I attempt to engage with somebody on "the left", they seem so steer well clear of what I consider issues. Here's a couple of issues I am concerned with.
1) War - what is our missing in Afghanistan? How about Syria? Yemen? WTF are we are war?
2) misinformation or propaganda in the "mainstream news".
3) corruption in our intelligence agencies. I have seen multiple intelligence officials lie to Congress and not be prosecuted for perjury.
4) corruption in the Department of Justice. Flynn was railroaded, why is nobody held accountable?
5) corruption in the Department of Justice. They refused to prosecute Clinton although they had her dead to rights on placing classified information on an unsecured server. If I had done that, I'd probably just be getting out of jail now.
6) censorship promoted by the government. The internet was specifically created to end censorship, it's been ramped up.
What are your priorities? What do you consider important issues?
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:50pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:50pm
richwicks says
I have the history since it's a git repo. It's all there.
I'll send you a copy if you send me your email, but I don't want to get legally entangled. Limits my options, might be used to shut down the site, and a friend warned me about unwittingly accumulating "business partners". That was actually the basis of the Winklevosses suit against Zuckerberg iirc.
That is, I don't mind it being open source, but I want to keep the copyright.
You can just make it private!
You don't want to lose your history.
Shit, I should have copied it. If you're willing, I'll take a copy to develop it. I have a couple of good ideas that are patentable, but not really suitable for this site. If you're willing to allow me have a copy I'll partner with anything I produce.
I have the history since it's a git repo. It's all there.
I'll send you a copy if you send me your email, but I don't want to get legally entangled. Limits my options, might be used to shut down the site, and a friend warned me about unwittingly accumulating "business partners". That was actually the basis of the Winklevosses suit against Zuckerberg iirc.
That is, I don't mind it being open source, but I want to keep the copyright.
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:52pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:52pm
marcus says
Oops, might have been you.
Patrick saysStill going to work on jazz's idea of extracting links from posts.
He had the idea too. Cool.
Oops, might have been you.
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Onvacation
2020 Jun 2, 5:53pm
Onvacation
2020 Jun 2, 5:53pm
Some people won't be corrected. You can point out the flaws in their reason and they will react emotionally. Instead of debate they attack you personally. They can look at the same numbers but reach different sums.
Patnet's come a long way in the near decade I have been lurking. I have learned a lot about topics I never would have heard about. I've also jumped down rabbit holes that, while plausible, seem impossible.
This place causes cognitive dissonance. It then becomes a free for all of ideas and "evidence". I've watched heads explode.
Don't change too much.
Patnet's come a long way in the near decade I have been lurking. I have learned a lot about topics I never would have heard about. I've also jumped down rabbit holes that, while plausible, seem impossible.
This place causes cognitive dissonance. It then becomes a free for all of ideas and "evidence". I've watched heads explode.
Don't change too much.
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So no more pictures of Trump as an insane clown or talk of his being raped by Putin. That does not address his policies specifically and helps nothing. It just divides us.
And no more phrases like "liberals". That immediately eliminates the possibility of a liberal wanting to have a polite discussion of his point of view here. Again, it just divides us.
We need unity, not more division. E pluribus unum.
I'm just going to flag posts and comments I find to be stirring up hate and division. Don't worry, you'll know what that means, and the author will be able to click the "edit" button to see just what it was that got the post or comment flagged. It will be clear and fair.
Yes, it's a kind of censorship, but my hope is that it will make this site more useful to people of good will who really want to understand their fellow citizens and improve life. While the MSM routinely censors "offensive" ideas like the Red Pill theory, or our innate differences by sex and race, I'm not going to do that. All ideas are still open for discussion in a civil manner. The tag-line "Freedom to Offend" was not being understood as I intended. It seemed to be generating posts that were deliberately and angrily offensive.
Sorry if it seems like the food-fight is over. Everyone is still very welcome to have their say, just treat others as you would wish to be treated, including other political parties and public figures, and you'll still be able to make any point you want.