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Bay Area housing... what is going to happen?


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2020 May 22, 5:32pm   6,420 views  69 comments

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So - any predictions for SFH prices in "fortress" areas of SF bay area?

1) Perhaps millions square feet of commercial real estate will convert to apartments and condos? Hard to see how commercial prices hold up when many companies are comfortable with majority of workforce working from home. Already FB has scaled down its recent buildout proposal by 30%. Will that pressure real estate downward?
2) Fortress areas were typically those areas with good school districts - immune to most downturns. What most parents failed to realize is that the state government has gone to a different model for school funding (Local Control Funding - under Brown) - which is actually not local control at all but a diversion of local taxes to a general pool where funds are allocated based on need. Most states fund students equally - but that is not California. As a result, even previously strong districts (performance) are not receiving nearly the funding in years past. Ironically, funding doesn't necessarily have anything to do with results; nevertheless, it is hard to believe these once revered districts can compensate for the drastic reduction. Basically, schools that get funded are those with high numbers of illegals and those eligible for school lunches. Rich folks seem to believe they are paying taxes to support their "local" school - but that is not true except in the most general sense.
3) Encampments in most major cities that mar the general public use. I am not happy trying to go anywhere near Civic Center now. It was a cesspool before - it is even worse now.
4) Overbearing government control over daily life (state is very slow to re-open)
5) Continued NIMBYism that uses Covid-19 to restrict non-locals from visiting beaches, enjoying parks, and so forth. Of course, this also helps those who are rich and settled to not move if they can keep the "low life" out and enjoy a better quality of life. (Note - Tahoe area still restricting short term rentals and discouraging "second home owners" from visiting, Santa Cruz fining out of town interlopers).
6) Telework has proven that remote teams can work successfully. For me, I think a 3-office/2-home day week is ideal, but it seems some are comfortable never interacting in person with their teammates.
7) Mass transit is a riskier way of traveling in the post covid-19 world. Will that mean a flight to suburban and rural areas where density is less?

Thoughts?

Any time I think housing will go down, I am reminded of IWog who always felt that housing would stay strong after the crash and used that downturn to buy properties at a ridiculous price. His main point is that US housing is cheap by international standards and will always be a place that is a comparably better investment than london/tokyo/moscow/etc...

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66   Ceffer   2020 Jul 22, 11:00am  

Shouldn't the Great Socialist Paradise urban shit holes be machine gunning the refugees as they try to flee to the suburbs? It's just not right to escape the all knowing, tender loving care of progressive progress!
67   Onvacation   2020 Jul 27, 4:41am  

BayArea says
Bay Area housing is on FIRE

Low interest rates, stimulus, low inventory

I hear Oakland, Seattle and Portland are on fire too.
68   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2020 Jul 27, 5:34am  

Onvacation says
I hear Oakland, Seattle and Portland are on fire too.
Condo prices seem to be dropping in Seattle city proper. But Eastside home prices are doing quite well. Commuting from Ithe Eastside into Seattle is a bitch and not getting any better, but wth folks working at home, no problema. The area has always been home to Redmond based Microsofties, which has propped up home prices. Woodinville has a very nice winery area and when the Covid war ends, Chateau Ste. MIchelle will once again host their summer concert series. If you have the coin, you can even own a lake view home on the Eastside. And ganja no problema.
69   EBGuy   2020 Jul 29, 2:34pm  

The S&P Case/Shiller Ess Eff Bay Area Home Price Index slipped 0.2% in May (weighted 3 month average). Assume the crash position.

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