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Sweden wins by staying open


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2020 Apr 20, 9:49pm   2,386 views  64 comments

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https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-swedish-experiment-looks-like-it-s-paying-off

20 April 2020, 2:37pm

Two weeks ago, I wrote about ‘The Swedish experiment’ in The Spectator. As the world went into lockdown, Sweden opted for a different approach to tackling coronavirus: cities, schools and restaurants have remained open. This was judged by critics to be utterly foolish: it would allow the virus to spread much faster than elsewhere, we were told, leading to tens of thousands of deaths. Hospitals would become like warzones. As Sweden was two weeks behind the UK on the epidemic curve, most British experts said we’d pay the price for our approach when we were at the peak. Come back in two weeks, I was told. Let's see what you're saying then. So here I am.

I'm happy to say that those fears haven’t materialised. But the pressure on Sweden to change tack hasn’t gone away. We haven't u-turned. We’re careful, staying inside a lot more. But schools and shops remain open. Unlike some countries on the continent, no one is asking for ‘our papers’ when we move around in cities. The police don’t stop us and ask why we are spending so much time outdoors: authorities rather encourage it. No one is prying in shopping baskets to make sure you only buy essentials.

The country’s Public Health Agency and the ‘state epidemiologist’, Anders Tegnell, have kept their cool and still don’t recommend a lockdown. They are getting criticised by scientific modellers but the agency is sticking to its own model of how the virus is expected to develop and what pressure hospitals will be under. The government still heeds the agency’s advice; no party in the opposition argues for a lockdown. Rather, opinion polls show that Swedes remain strongly in favour of the country’s liberal approach to the pandemic.

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59   socal2   2020 Jun 11, 12:31pm  

AnyKey says
For all the loss Swedes have endured, there has been no associated economic gain,


Sweden still did better than many countries and US states that had hard lockdowns like the UK, Italy, New York and Spain,

And of course Sweden's economy was going to take a hit when basically the entire world panicked and locked down.

But I bet the Swedes didn't suffer the indignity of not being able to attend funerals, weddings, school, graduations, camps and many other social functions that were deprived of us in the United States. Can you put an economic price of not being able to attend the funeral of a loved one or having your wedding cancelled?

And if we are to believe ANYTHING about the reported contagious level of Wuhan AIDS, Sweden logically has to be much farther along in herd immunity than the rest of the planet and will benefit in the Fall.
60   Ceffer   2020 Jun 11, 2:27pm  

The only thing that keep Swedes for apologizing for EVERYTHING is suicide. It's become their usual and customary gesture, means nothing. They probably apologize for apologizing.
61   WookieMan   2020 Jun 11, 3:24pm  

AnyKey says
They sent many of their children to school without many of the protections that are both in place and under consideration in many other countries.

And this is one realm in which they did well. I don't think anyone has an understanding of what keeping kids out of school for 5+ months is going to have on development. The immediate GDP numbers mean dick. There's a generation of humans that are going to be fucked up. Especially our black friends that have shit family structure. But hey, a few extra granny's died a few months early so Sweden is dumb...
62   mell   2020 Jun 11, 6:29pm  

So 0.5% of Sweden:s population caught CV and 0.05% died now that the worst is over. So the avg risk is 1 in 200 to catch it and 1 in 2000 to die from it, and the current growth rate is 0.5%. Those are great odds if you get to keep your economy open and the country from falling into a depression. A pandemic happens once every few decades. What the fuck is the problem here? Sweden indeed wins by staying open.
63   WookieMan   2020 Jun 11, 7:56pm  

Duck.
64   Patrick   2020 Jun 12, 8:08am  

AnyKey says
Sweden wins by staying open ?


Absolutely!

Sweden did the right thing by staying open. Much easier on their population financially and in mental health terms. And their death curve is the same as any country that shut down:



Every other country made a whopping huge mistake by killing their economies for no good reason.

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