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Heraclitusstudent says

Some people will stay locked down. Large groups will still remain prohibited. While other people will be asked to go back to work with a shit load of precautions.

Yes, correct. Old, fat fucks, diabetics, smokers, etc. Basically the unproductive will and should stay locked down..... and then won't listen and die. I feel like our views are finally converging though, so that's a positive.

We don't fully understand this virus. But with the US data, it's pretty clear who it's killing. If we cannot trust our own data and act on it, then we are truly fucked. We all know the course of action but it's now going to be twisted into some KKK/racist bullshit by the media.

Open the damn thing and take precautions if you're lazy. Those that have a hereditary issues, I feel you having one myself. But I personally don't expect anyone to bend over backwards for me and not make a living. Modern humans are not designed to live like this.

Long term, this can't continue. The subset of the population that is at risk is by and large, not at the workplace of near retirement. Ultimately, they need to ramp up production of the anti-virals and n95 masks. Eventually, the workplace needs to shift to everyone wearing N95 masks until we get this thing properly vaccinated. And seniors need to shelter in fucking place. I'm in the epicenter in New Jersey and nobody I know is able to convince their senior parents to stay in. They go out and about and to 5 different stores to pick up all the items on sale to save 50 cents. Many of them are incapable of making their own rational decisions anymore with respect to this issue.

theoakman says

Long term, this can't continue. The subset of the population that is at risk is by and large, not at the workplace of near retirement. Ultimately, they need to ramp up production of the anti-virals and n95 masks. Eventually, the workplace needs to shift to everyone wearing N95 masks until we get this thing properly vaccinated. And seniors need to shelter in fucking place. I'm in the epicenter in New Jersey and nobody I know is able to convince their senior parents to stay in. They go out and about and to 5 different stores to pick up all the items on sale to save 50 cents. Many of them are incapable of making their own rational decisions anymore with respect to this issue.

+💯

We should start our own religion.... call it something like... intelligence.

Tucker nails it once again.
I’m really starting to like and respect this man.
www.youtube.com/embed/ZCyqcoC747o

Shaman says

Tucker nails it once again

As much as it will make some shart their pants here, I don't watch FOX. This guy is logical and makes sense. If someone can make a counter argument to what Tucker says please let us all know...

WookieMan says

I don't watch FOX.

I don’t either but a clip from his show comes up on my Youtube feed now and then.

Shaman says

WookieMan says

I don't watch FOX.

I don’t either but a clip from his show comes up on my Youtube feed now and then.

Same here with Youtube. Wasn't a knock on you by any means. Not going to rewatch, but I'm pretty sure 100% of what he said made sense and I'd love for anyone here to counter one point he made with facts.

I never thought I would admit I totally agree with Tucker Carlson and found him eloquent; but I just did. Great video and analysis/

The lockdowns must stop come May 1st. - furloughs and layoffs everywhere for people who have done nothing wrong. Let's make this happen and open up for business again.

mell says

The lockdowns must stop come May 1st.

NJ governor says at least another month.

There'll be no 'second or third' wave or lockdown. Aside from the absurd speculation-anticipation of the future of panic, when even the 'first wave' is purposefully and erroneously quantified and faked, the Gov's, reeling from the wounds to their tax base from the recent implosion, won't dignify any further 'outbreaks' by even addressing them.

mell says

USA tested almost 2.1MM people, more than any other nation. Even per 1MM capita they're in the still somewhere in the middle. So much for the "botched testing" narrative.

You have data on this? Because according to Pence this can't possibly be correct, its well into April and we should be in the many many millions by now... And I heard him with my own ears make this statement at the March 10 briefing. And he being the good Christian gentleman that he most certainly purports to be, he would would never lie. And all the doctors claiming they cant get people tested and or results back in a timely manner they are obviously part of the deep state, fake news media virus hoax.

"During a March 10 coronavirus press briefing, Vice President Mike Pence declared there would be "more than 4 million more tests" available across the country by the end of that week. At the time, lawmakers from both parties disputed these numbers and said that fewer than 10,000 Americans had been tested.

President Donald Trump increased this number just days later during remarks on March 13, when he promised 1.4 million additional tests would be distributed by March 16, which added up to more than 5 million available tests by the end of March. Another White House official would go on to proclaim on March 21 that 27 million test kits would be available to patients before the end of the month.

This is some welcome news and pertinent to the Tucker Carlson video.
Study investigates if COVID-19 came to Calif. in fall 2019
If so, the state may have built up some herd immunity
MONTEREY, Calif. — Researchers at Stanford Medicine are working to find out what proportion of Californians have already had COVID-19. The new study could help policymakers make more informed decisions during the coronavirus pandemic.
The team tested 3,200 people at three Bay Area locations on Saturday using an antibody test for COVID-19 and expect to release results in the coming weeks. The data could help to prove COVID-19 arrived undetected in California much earlier than previously thought.
The hypothesis that COVID-19 first started spreading in California in the fall of 2019 is one explanation for the state's lower than expected case numbers.

rdm says

mell says

USA tested almost 2.1MM people, more than any other nation. Even per 1MM capita they're in the still somewhere in the middle. So much for the "botched testing" narrative.

You have data on this? Because according to Pence this can't possibly be correct, its well into April and we should be in the many many millions by now... And I heard him with my own ears make this statement at the March 10 briefing. And he being the good Christian gentleman that he most certainly purports to be, he would would never lie. And all the doctors claiming they cant get people tested and or results back in a timely manner they are obviously part of the deep state, fake news media virus hoax.

"During a March 10 coronavirus press briefing, Vice President Mike Pence declared there would be "more than 4 million more tests" available across the country by the end of that week. At the time, lawmakers from b...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

See totals tests and test per 1MM pop. columns

EBGuy says

Those look scary but the deaths always peak quite some time after the flattening of the curve. We're still on track for having peaked already.

zzyzzx says

mell says

The lockdowns must stop come May 1st.

NJ governor says at least another month.

Well there may be select counties and states that need more time but the majority should be able to reopen, esp. if they can manage the hospital capacity and with cold and flu season ending there should be more beds in the spring.summer months. At the minimum open back up restaurants and hotels and all select business who have proven they have the means for proper distancing while operating.

https://www.ksl.com/article/46739480/pandemic-could-peak-in-utah-starting-friday-biostatistician-says

mell says

Those look scary but the deaths always peak quite some time after the flattening of the curve. We're still on track for having peaked already.

New cases are looking hopeful; we'll see if this holds over the next couple of days.

Ceffer says

There'll be no 'second or third' wave or lockdown. Aside from the absurd speculation-anticipation of the future of panic, when even the 'first wave' is purposefully and erroneously quantified and faked, the Gov's, reeling from the wounds to their tax base from the recent implosion, won't dignify any further 'outbreaks' by even addressing them.

Yeah, I think a lot of people are shooting themselves in the foot in a shitty attempt to gain ONE political office.. POTUS. The state governors, because they've run their states like shit, are going to now come crawling to Trump for a bailout. He'll deny and then it will be the rallying cry to take him out of office.

Federal government was not created to wipe your ass. The fact people are even getting a stimulus check is frankly outrageous, although I do know people that need it. Besides press conferences, I'm not really sure what IL is doing besides creating more hospital beds that don't seem like they'll ever be used at this point. Not going to sit here and claim this is another coup attempt like impeachment, but this is starting to look like a nothing burger. And this is coming from someone taking the whole damn thing seriously.

Yeah, I think a lot of people are shooting themselves in the foot in a shitty attempt to gain ONE political office.. POTUS.

Yes. This reminds me of teachers at school claiming that is some students put as much effort into studying as they did in to trying to cheat, the student would pass with flying colors.

The cheat analogy: Bogus impeachment, Licenses for illegals along with automatic voter registration, no voter ID, vote harvesting, all so you can elect a senile and corrupt Wall Street favored candidate.

The study analogy: Promote an agenda that favors the American middle/worker class over illegals and outsourcers, and nominate a candidate like Jim Webb or Tulsi Gabbard.

Some people are enthusiastically supporting extreme lock-down out of joy of telling people what they may do; or hope of a dramatic realignment of the political order more to their authoritarian liking. Examples include arresting a lone paddle boarder off Malibu and this below. Clearly these two are not endangering anyone or each other, and it seems obvious that their relationship is most probably more intimate than a beach picnic together:
https://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/40-fun-filled-photos-to-slack-off-with/86240707/
Yet, someone feels they are 'idiots" (how?) and committing a deadly sin.

sorry about that

georgeliberte says

Some people are enthusiastically supporting extreme lock-down out of joy of telling people what they may do; or hope of a dramatic realignment of the political order more to their authoritarian liking.

Left wing authoritarians, which is a vast majority of the Democrat Party, would not have been as vocal if Obama was in the White House now.

But it serves their purpose twice to have Trump there.

First they can criticize him for not doing enough as far as completely shutting down the country. They know this would destroy the economy and hurt his reelection chances.

Second, the left wing authoritarians want a ChiCom style government in the USA with the Democrats in charge and the Republicans as the token opposition. A government like that can easily control its citizen subjects with social credit score system, restriction on movement or travel, etc.

OccasionalCortex says

And now...Morbid Animation on Patrick.net!

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1712761/

Yes, COVID-19 kills more people than heart disease if the autospies are correctly completed and accurate in the cause of death.

However, the COVID-19 number of deaths outnumbering heart disease deaths will be for only about 2 weeks at most.

georgeliberte says

Just play dead.

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georgeliberte says

Some people are enthusiastically supporting extreme lock-down out of joy of telling people what they may do; or hope of a dramatic realignment of the political order more to their authoritarian liking.

Left wing authoritarians, which is a vast majority of the Democrat Party, would not have been as vocal if Obama was in the White House now.

But it serves their purpose twice to have Trump there.

First they can criticize him for not doing enough as far as completely shutting down the country. They know this would destroy the economy and hurt his reelection chances.

Second, the left wing authoritarians want a ChiCom style government in the USA with the Democrats in charge and the Republicans as the token opposition. A government like that can easily control its citizen subjects with social credit score system, restriction on movement or travel, etc.

I don’t get this one at all. Currently arguing with multiple exactly that type in a Las Vegas travel forum. Like they are delighting in a possible 12-18 month lockdown that only should be lifted if a vaccine is developed. Most are Canadian and I wonder if that has anything to do with it.

I just copied this from the John Hopkins University website that tracks the coronavirus data.

It shows USA data for new infection cases. Seems like it has leveled to around 31,000 new cases per day for the USA since April 1 to April 8.
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mell says

USA tested almost 2.1MM people, more than any other nation. Even per 1MM capita they're in the still somewhere in the middle. So much for the "botched testing" narrative.

Another Fake News Propaganda item. "We don't have any tests and can't possibly produce them fast enough! ZOMG!"

https://abc7.com/health/were-californians-exposed-to-coronavirus-last-year/6091220/

Can anyone show me a legitimate video of an overwhelmed hospital in the US? Saw last night on FB a break room with 12 nurses taking a photo while eating donated pizza and all smiling looking like they were having a good 'ole time. 2 of them were people I know and they're still saying it's been chill during what is supposed to be the deadliest week of this.

I've seen other videos of maybe 3 dozen hospital staff, including nurses cheering on a Covid patient that recovered leaving the hospital. That is the complete opposite of overwhelm. They don't even do that for cancer patients. This is all so weird.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

https://abc7.com/health/were-californians-exposed-to-coronavirus-last-year/6091220/

Bingo. Early December there were days when half of my kids class were out because kids were sick. 12 kids in a 22 kid class size. This is IL and not CA, but I'm still convinced this has been around for a while. Administrators said it was something they'd never seen before. Anecdotal and I'm in a small town, but we thought it was weird at the time.

Edit: Forgot to mention that many of these kids that I know well, also got sick again. Highly unlikely they got some bug or flu twice in a season.

Tenpoundbass says

georgeliberte says

Just play dead.

Tell him you are homeless and he’ll leave you alone in CA, not a joke. They literally don’t arrest homeless anymore.

Fortwaynemobile says

Tenpoundbass says

georgeliberte says

Just play dead.

Tell him you are homeless and he’ll leave you alone in CA, not a joke. They literally don’t arrest homeless anymore.

Just have a severe enough coughing fit into his direction. He'll be gone in no time.

New cases continue to decline in the US:

Patrick says

New cases continue to decline in the US:

You would not know from the msm. Even fox just continues to bold the overall number of deaths.

A couple more weeks and we should be down to under 1000 new daily cases.

As of today’s update, 605,390 cases in the USA. And that’s with 24,582 deaths. That’s 0.04% death rate in the USA. That seem low? It may change, as currently infected die and new infected are found, but it seems to be a very low death rate! Honestly I think this is the real win, here. Not only were out hospitals NOT overwhelmed with zombies dying in the halls, plague victims laying in the streets, but only a tiny percentage of people who caught the virus died from it.
Maybe that was better medical care, or perhaps the usage of antivirals and Chloroquine. We have learned a lot about this virus in the last couple of months and have learned how to beat it. The people who died of this were mostly having severe health problems or very old.
All things concerned, I would give the medical system in the USA an A+ for keeping such a high percentage of infected alive!

Anybody who may die in the next 50 years is counted as a Coronavirus death. It's only fair, and you can't place a price on saving lives.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

You would not know from the msm. Even fox just continues to bold the overall number of deaths.

The mainstream media lives on fear and division, not rationality and unity.

ThreeBays says

4%

Goddammit that is right. I forgot to multiply by 100. Well 4% is pretty goddam awful. I guess we have a lot of nearly dead people around here, who a little virus can push right off the edge.
Or it’s super deadly.
That 22 million number of estimated Chinese dead is starting to look super probable.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says

Clearly, it's time to RALLY!

Trump is not throwing rallies.
Biden is not starting fights at town halls.
Impeachment has been forgotten.
Hunter has not been investigated.
Epstein... you know.

24/7 Corona virus coverage as the election steadily creeps toward us.