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assuming that the effective death rate for those contracting COVID is 1.3% (5 times the seasonal flu rate) of the population, as reported as numerous websites, this means that even those getting it fall into a range of infirmities between asymptomatic and fatal, and that 98.3 percent survive it. This is an extremely high survival rate for a "pandemic"
Moreover, only a small proportion of Americans get it to begin with, and I don't really know reliable data for calculating what the likelihood is for even getting it
I do not think it is a hoax, and I think that the sensationalistic press (as opposed to liberal press), or billionaires with large short positions, and bureaucrats with a desire to enhance their status and receive more funding for their programs, and more corporations who have an interest to learn to what degree they can order customers around in their stores, or Democratic Party strategists seeking to embarass Trump, have an interest in promoting the narrative of pending doom and disaster.
My view, very bluntly stated, is that I would rather have /4 Million/ Americans die from it (the outcome if it adhered to this average) that one dolphin or whale be strangled by inhaling a surgical mask or the non-reusable bag from Smart & Final. It would be OK if I were one of them.
Humans have grossly overpopulated the earth, and a range of disastrous consequences are going to follow, from the consequences of consumer consumption, insane energy consumption, and a host of other behaviors humanity needs to radically reverse. COVID is Mother Nature's first gentle warning. Much worse things are coming down the pike.
I know what you don't believe this, but there is no point in getting into a big back-and-forth about it.
As I said, I'm headed for Idaho, where I will become a potato and hide in the soil (wink)
Those assholes need to be out of business and their staff needs to find a new line of work.
As if Patrick actually had a model and not a baseless theory that C19 is no worse than a bad flu.
Show the verifiable proof. But you don't have verifiable proof which was the point of my comment.
Or what if the doctor thought the patient would have lived another year or was about to declare remission?
WookieMan says
What the fuck do you want me to do?
Show the verifiable proof. But you don't have verifiable proof which was the point of my comment. You have hearsay at best. What you most certainly don't have is any proof that is verifiable.
The mainstream media exists only as a political tool now, funded by billionaires like Bezos.
Misc saysYes, cancer deaths, pneumonia deaths, deaths from the flu, and deaths from heart issues are all down and can be attributed to blindly ascribing Covid as the cause of death.
Interesting. Would you please share source(s) on this ?
mell saysIf you severely restrict people's civil liberties and pursuit of happiness in a possibly unconstitutional way then the burden is on you to exactly detail and lay out the stats comparing all the other causes of death,
Lol, "you", who? Me? How the fuck am I doing that. Please tell me. I'm not the president of the United States, I'm not the one failing to bring this country together. Obama, a black man, did that 17% better than Trump.
If people say they have "verifiable proof" either they have it or they don't. The key word is verifiable. If I can't verify it how is it verifiable. Words matter. Like I said I don't care that much just calling people out on their bullshit. It will be interesting to look back in a year and look at how the numbers worked out but until then, I call bullshit unless anyone wants to provide better proof than subtracting a baseline. Show me the num...
logic saysIt will be interesting to look back in a year and look at how the numbers worked out
Of course all the PatNetters who now insist the virus is little more than a cold and that the mortality numbers are made up to make Trump look bad will all change their screen names then so they can't be held accountable for their bullshit.
Show me the numbers otherwise it's not truth it's bullshit.
Time to place the blame squarely where it should be, on the president.
Last I checked he was the president and at the beginning he denied there was a problem, now some how that's new York's fault?
And don’t forget Trump made Obama show a birth certificate yet Trump doesn’t show his tax filing.
Unfortunately I won't be taking some random individuals word for it. Got any links Marcus and I would love to see them.
At the same time, the state’s coroners — tasked with investigating suspicious deaths — have grown increasingly frustrated by the Health Department’s reluctance to seek their help.
Some have said the department’s numbers did not match what coroners were seeing. Those concerns caught the attention of State Sen. Judy Ward (R., Blair), who is advocating for a bill that would give coroners a bigger role in the crisis.
“There’s a discrepancy in the numbers,” Charles E. Kiessling Jr., president of the Pennsylvania Coroners Association and coroner in Lycoming County, said Thursday. “I’m not saying there’s something going on.... I’m not a conspiracy theory guy. But accuracy is important.”
It’s a matter of public safety, Kiessling said.
The confusion began Sunday, when Pennsylvania raised its coronavirus death toll to 1,112 — an increase of 276 overnight. On Tuesday, the department reported another spike, from 1,204 to 1,564 deaths.
In both cases, Levine said the surges reflected deaths that occurred days, even weeks, in the past.
“These deaths did not happen overnight,” Levine said Sunday.
The jump that day, first blamed on a computer glitch, was explained as a “reconciliation” of multiple reporting systems and the “culmination of that data-validating effort.” Levine also said the “significant increase” included “probable positive” COVID-19 deaths, as well as deaths confirmed with a test.
On Tuesday, Levine reported 300 probable deaths in the day’s count but appeared to indicate the situation was new.
“We will now be reporting probable deaths related to COVID-19 in addition to confirmed deaths,” she said.
That same day, department spokesperson Nate Wardle told Spotlight PA some probable deaths had been included in the count for at least a week or maybe longer.
Then, on Wednesday, Wardle backtracked, saying that although probable deaths had been added to the reporting systems as of April 13, the day before federal guidance changed, they weren’t included in the state’s official count until Tuesday.
*"New York Gov. Cuomo says Trump has no authority to impose quarantine: ‘It would be illegal’"*
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/28/ny-gov-cuomo-says-trump-has-no-authority-to-impose-quarantine.html
A great leader wouldn't be having these problems. Trump might have a few of these qualities but not enough to be considered a great leader. Check out #20.
He definitely lacks that.
Yet Obama was always at fault 😂 sad
Lol, @wookieman who is blaming an airborne virus on an individual? Do you know what a straw man argument is?
logic saysLol, @wookieman who is blaming an airborne virus on an individual? Do you know what a straw man argument is?
Interesting, I never referenced you. Never said the word you or used your username in my comment. Why would you think it was directed at you? I'm also not sure why you're arguing about arguments. Seems silly.
I'm a bit confused. Did you not say someone was trolling? One who is arguing that Trump started the virus? Sorry if I misunderstood this.
Severe sufferers of TDS think that if you don't hate Trump you support everything he does. Take a pill.
Time to place the blame squarely where it should be, on the president.
logic saysI question why you say someone is making an argument that is obviously not being made.
It's an airborne virus, anyone blaming it on any individual is slightly retarded.
Still don’t see a point here?
those 2 arguments are not the same. It appears to me that you are trying to say a user is making an argument that they are not and I am calling you out on that. Is that not allowed?
. I find it odd that if this came from china the east coast has been hit the hardest.
Why say someone is making an argument they are not making?
Last I checked he was the president and at the beginning he denied there was a problem, now some how that's new York's fault? It's sad that some are so deranged that they can't find Trump at fault for anything, it's always someone else's fault.
It's a virus. Trump, Bush, Obama, etc. ain't gonna stop it. It's going to kill who it's going to kill. But hey, Trump bad.
I am saying Trump is a terrible leader and he responded poorly to the virus. I never once said that he is responsible for the virus
It didn't offer any real proof of over counting just that it is unclear if it is happening or not.
I'm not going to find it but I've said how much debt we have incurred under Trump.
Now you have called me a retard for the second time (first time was the tax argument). I'm dyslexic I've had difficulty with reading and writing my whole life. I write here because it's good practice.
That you assumed I was talking about lives lost is not on me. I'm talking about wealth loss. But somehow his slow and terrible response is everyone else's fault.
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Wait, 3 percent of 1 percent?
Yes, 100 times smaller than 3 percent.
Say 100,000 die out of 300M people (actually, the population is even larger than that). That's 0.0003.
So, since 0.0086 of the US dies every year on average, this could bump up the US death rate by 3 / 86 = 3.5% this year.
Except not it wouldn't even be that much, because a large fraction of those who die weren't going to make it through a normal 2020 anyway.
It's still not at all clear that this was worth imploding the economy for. Remember that 81,000 died of the flu in 2018 and no one even blinked.