patrick.net

It's still not certain, but anyway, it doesn't have to be a miracle drug to end the problem. It just has to shorten hospital stays.

Of course the media will still stream doom anyway, because:

1. Orange Man Bad
2. they love the attention

Patrick says

Of course the media will still stream doom anyway, because:

1. Orange Man Bad
2. they love the attention

3. Immanentize the Eschaton

The Spectator Article you posted is clear evidence the media alters the presentation of "facts" to the narrative.

https://spectator.us/early-coronavirus-coverage-lazy-media-thirst-political-correctness/

NoCoupForYou says

Immanentize the Eschaton

Thanks, didn't know that one.

In political theory and theology, to immanentize the eschaton means trying to bring about the eschaton in the immanent world. In all these contexts it means "trying to make that which belongs to the afterlife happen here and now".

Patrick says

Why do people think it's a far fetched idea that an anti-viral medication would have a positive effect on faster recovery?

Because Trump suggested it.

Yeah you are probably right. The problem being when you give out constant disinformation, wrong information, made up information, wishful out loud thinking, if you happen to say something that is true no one believes you or at the least are skeptical, as they should be.

To do a really valid study would mean denying this treatment (they get a placebo) to a certain group of patients (large group) while treating a very similarly matched large group. Similar demographics and underlying health conditions of each group of patients; as much as possible everything the same. All giving informed consent. Then adjusting for any variations after observing the outcomes to come to a conclusion. That is probably not going to happen under current conditions.

rdm says

Yeah you are probably right. The problem being when you give out constant disinformation, wrong information, made up information, wishful out loud thinking, if you happen to say something that is true no one believes you or at the least are skeptical, as they should be.

Is that why our Liberal Media is one of the least trusted institutions in America?

rdm says

Patrick says

Why do people think it's a far fetched idea that an anti-viral medication would have a positive effect on faster recovery?

Because Trump suggested it.

Yeah you are probably right. The problem being when you give out constant disinformation, wrong information, made up information, wishful out loud thinking, if you happen to say something that is true no one believes you or at the least are skeptical, as they should be.

To do a really valid study would mean denying this treatment (they get a placebo) to a certain group of patients (large group) while treating a very similarly matched large group. Similar demographics and underlying health conditions of each group of patients; as much as possible everything the same. All giving informed consent. Then adjusting for any variations after observing the outcomes to come to a conclusion. That is proba...

Fact remains, there are groups out there that literally are against trying a drug that is likely to help that has been proven over decades to be safe for consumption. Needless to say, the initial data looks promising, and I'm pretty sure, that every other positive news that comes in on this matter will be denied or ignored by certain factions because they are incapable of taking the same side as someone on a single issue.

rdm says

Yeah you are probably right. The problem being when you give out constant disinformation, wrong information, made up information, wishful out loud thinking, if you happen to say something that is true no one believes you or at the least are skeptical, as they should be.

You mean like renegotiating NAFTA is impossible and would be a disaster, that increasing domestic production is impossible and will be a disaster, or that nobody can stand up to Mighty China, and even if they could it would be a world crisis?

Hell, the only World Crisis to the Clerisy in late January and February was that the "Real Problem" of restricting Travel to China and calling it "Wuhan or China Virus" would cause a wave of attacks on Chinese Restaurants across America in an orgy of rampant, violent Xenophobia.

Until this world crisis - started by Chinese Mismanagement and aggressive silencing of whistleblowers in China - everything the Andrea Mitchells of the world assured us would happen, didn't. In fact, the opposite was occurring.

theoakman says

Fact remains, there are groups out there that literally are against trying a drug that is likely to help that has been proven over decades to be safe for consumption. Needless to say, the initial data looks promising, and I'm pretty sure, that every other positive news that comes in on this matter will be denied or ignored by certain factions because they are incapable of taking the same side as someone on a single issue.

Their hatred for Trump is clearly pathological, shortening their own lives, and putting the lives of everyone else at risk.

Seriously, TDS is pretty damn close to psychosis.

https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2020/03/31/gov-whitmer-reverses-course-on-coronavirus-drugs-is-now-asking-feds-for-hydroxychloroquine-and-chloroquine

Guaranteed News Headline 30 days from now:

"How Covid-19 hurt Gender Non-confirming, Alternative Lifestyle, and Minorities the worst."

Lol, now the Democratic Nevada governor has also reversed his ban on hydroxychloroquine for outpatients.

A study which seems to show a small benefit.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/hydroxychloroquine-trial-randomized-covid-19-efficacy-51585748653

Heraclitusstudent says

Patrick says

They are literally trying to kill people rather than allow that Trump may be right.

Trump is not a doctor and doesn't know shit. He shouldn't propose unproven drugs. That was a very STUPID thing to do.

And yet the FDA just approved the use of the drug. So, Trump was right, as he is (eventually) proven 90% of the time. People and the media just can't get used to him being right!

Even the haters at the NY Times have to admit that there is something to it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-malaria.html

The malaria drug hydroxychloroquine helped to speed the recovery of a small number of patients who were mildly ill from the coronavirus, doctors in China reported this week.

Cough, fever and pneumonia went away faster, and the disease seemed less likely to turn severe in people who received hydroxychloroquine than in a comparison group not given the drug. The authors of the report said that the medication was promising, but that more research was needed to clarify how it might work in treating coronavirus disease and to determine the best way to use it.

#TrumpPills

rocketjoe79 says

And yet the FDA just approved the use of the drug. So, Trump was right

No, the FDA lets people use it as it sees no harm. This is not the same as having proved that it works.
It also lets you use garlic.

Cult members are like:
"Oh my God, Trump is a genius, he is a better doctor than doctors, Trump is always right. All hail the dear leader."

Get over yourselves....
Not everything is about Trump.

Countries all over the world follow medical protocols.

Admit once and for all that Trump had, and has no proof whatsoever it works. What he did in essence is like recommending garlic as a cure.

Patrick says

Heraclitusstudent says

Admit once and for all that Trump had, and has no proof whatsoever it works.

Can't believe some are choosing to die on this hill.

FFS- there is some promising data about this drug with more "proof" that it works as opposed that it doesn't. Sure, we need alot more tests, but Trump didn't just pull this out of his ass.

Thousands of doctors around the world are trying it out on patients as we speak and we will have more data on its efficacy in the coming days/weeks.

socal2 says

rdm says

Yeah you are probably right. The problem being when you give out constant disinformation, wrong information, made up information, wishful out loud thinking, if you happen to say something that is true no one believes you or at the least are skeptical, as they should be.

Is that why our Liberal Media is one of the least trusted institutions in America?

Maybe, but clearly Trump is one of the least trusted sources. And why should they believe him? He has provided unending ridiculous predictions and blather on the subject. Listen to the scientists, ignore Trump and his mortician Pence at the propaganda sessions Trump leads everyday.

"Few Americans trust President Donald Trump when it comes to the coronavirus pandemic, according to a new survey, and fewer than half of respondents believe the federal government is taking sufficient steps to combat the public health crisis.

An NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll released Tuesday shows that only 37 percent of those polled have either “a good amount” or “a great deal” of trust in the the information they hear from the president about the coronavirus, while 60 percent say they do “not very much” or “not at all” trust Trump’s words on the subject."

rdm says

Few Americans trust President Donald Trump when it comes to the coronavirus pandemic, according to a new survey, and fewer than half of respondents believe the federal government is taking sufficient steps to combat the public health crisis.

Maybe the feds should weld all of our doors shut like they did in Wuhan. Would that be enough?

https://www.youtube.com/embed/nxJApa9-sSk

Onvacation says

Maybe the feds should weld all of our doors shut like they did in Wuhan. Would that be enough?

checkmate.

rdm says

Maybe, but clearly Trump is one of the least trusted sources. And why should they believe him? He has provided unending ridiculous predictions and blather on the subject. Listen to the scientists, ignore Trump and his mortician Pence at the propaganda sessions Trump leads everyday.

Here is a relevant example this week of our shit media.

Remember when the media were going bonkers when Trump said he thought that the overall death rate from the Coronavirus would be lower than the 3.4% first reported by the "experts"?

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1235542786729840641?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1235542786729840641&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fhotair.com%2Farchives%2Fjazz-shaw%2F2020%2F04%2F01%2Ftook-27-days-cnn-say-previously-accused-trump-lying%2F

Now a month later, CNN is reluctantly admitting that Trump was correct. Latest data shows it is below 1%.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/health/coronavirus-lower-death-rate/index.html

Do you expect any of the media experts (like Jim Sciutto) to apologize for insinuating that Trump was going to get people killed?

socal2 says

Trump didn't just pull this out of his ass.

He definitively pulls A LOT of stuff out of his ass.
“We have it totally under control. ... It’s going to be just fine. ”
"One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” (Feb 28)
"it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away. ” (March 10)

He's been clinging at any hope that justifies denial of the situation and putting his head in the sand.

And this was just one of straws he was grasping at.
Anyone with a tiny bit of integrity would recognize that. - Not personality cult members obviously.

Heraclitusstudent says

socal2 says

Trump didn't just pull this out of his ass.

He definitively pulls A LOT of stuff out of his ass.
“We have it totally under control. ... It’s going to be just fine. ”
"One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” (Feb 28)
"it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away. ” (March 10)

He's been clinging at any hope that justifies denial of the situation and putting his head in the sand.

And this was just one of straws he was grasping at.
Anyone with a tiny bit of integrity would recognize that. - Not personality cult members obviously.

WTF does this have to do with Trump? I'm still amazed people. It's a virus. A. Virus.

Trump's reaction has been fine. The governors reactions have been fine. Not sure what people think a single individual is going to do for you in times like this. Take care of yourself and hope for the best. If you die, you die. Hopefully you lived life to the fullest. A meteor could hit my house and kill me right now and I'd be satisfied with my life.

People gotta stop with this faux reliance on the POTUS. Scary how much people think one person matters. It's like high school and popular kids. Get over it.

Heraclitusstudent says

“We have it totally under control. ... It’s going to be just fine. ”
"One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” (Feb 28)
"it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away. ” (March 10)

Are any of these statements incorrect?

I accidentally liked your post but I did not click it again to unlike as I do like you.

Onvacation says

Maybe the feds should weld all of our doors shut like they did in Wuhan. Would that be enough?

So it's either misinformation, late responses and magical thinking out loud or welding the doors shut? Can't conceive of anything in between? Sad

Onvacation says

Maybe the feds should weld all of our doors shut like they did in Wuhan. Would that be enough?

So it's either misinformation, late responses and magical thinking out loud or welding the doors shut? Can't conceive of anything in between? Sad

Heraclitusstudent says

Not personality cult members obviously.

Do you really think all of the Trump's supporters blindly love him like Obama's did?

rdm says

So it's either misinformation, late responses and magical thinking out loud or welding the doors shut? Can't conceive of anything in between? Sad

OK. What do YOU think Trump should do about the virus?

rdm says

So it's either misinformation, late responses and magical thinking out loud or welding the doors shut? Can't conceive of anything in between? Sad

What would you and your experts response be?

socal2 says

Now a month later, CNN is reluctantly admitting that Trump was correct.

But they did admit it, no? Has Trump ever admitted he was wrong? Or perhaps he really is the "infallible plenipotentiary"?

Heraclitusstudent says

He definitively pulls A LOT of stuff out of his ass.
“We have it totally under control. ... It’s going to be just fine. ”
"One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” (Feb 28)
"it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away. ” (March 10)

Sure - Trump talks out of his ass alot and is prone to exaggeration.

But I will take a President who makes aspirational comments trying to keep the country calm WHILE he is taking ACTIONS of shutting down our borders compared to these crazy SJW Democrats who were going around aping Communist China's propaganda calling Trump a racist and xenophobe. Worse, long after Trump shut down travel from China, dopey Democrats were encouraging people to go out and celebrate the Chinese New Year and to take mass transit.

Have you not seen all of the videos of Pelosi, Deblasio, Biden, and all of the Media morons over the past few weeks? Have you seen all of shit reporting by CNN, MSNBC, NYTimes, Bloomberg and WAPO praising China's response?

If so, how do you think the Democrats have a leg to stand on or think it is comparable to the Trump quotes above?

Trump is far from perfect, he is just 10X better than anyone in the bonkers Democrat party who constantly put political correctness in front of our nation's health.

Onvacation says

“We have it totally under control. ... It’s going to be just fine. ”
"One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” (Feb 28)
"it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away. ” (March 10)

Are any of these statements incorrect?

My guess: you don't live in New York City.

rdm says

My guess: you don't live in New York City.

New Yorkers were foolishly listening to their Democrat leadership.

Go party in China Town!

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1245385767729463297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1245385767729463297&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fsarahd-313035%2F2020%2F04%2F01%2Fneed-a-reminder-that-dems-give-really-terrible-coronavirus-advice-this-oughta-do-it-video%2F

Heraclitusstudent says

Countries all over the world follow medical protocols.

Admit once and for all that Trump had, and has no proof whatsoever it works. What he did in essence is like recommending garlic as a cure.

Anyone notice the reports of Doctors, Nurses, and people on the frontline of the medical field dying in larger numbers than the rest of the population, has dropped off?

I think two reasons. The Medical professionals were talking Ibuprofen before it was known it turns Covid19 into Lung AIDS, and before the Trump Pills were validated by Frenchie and the good Jewish Doctor in New York.

It's also telling that Half pint Fauci has not reported one single statistic from his fictitious clinical trial he announced two weeks ago.

BTW when my Sister text messaged me last week about the Ibuprofen realization, when I googled it, about 6 Fact Checking Websites called it a Hoax, but Drugs.Com confirmed it, and explained the Scientific reason behind it.

socal2 says

Trump is far from perfect, he is just 10X better than anyone in the bonkers Democrat party who constantly put political correctness in front of our nation's health.

Give me one example of this from Biden?

Unless you think his constant refrain to listen to the scientists is PC.

Heraclitusstudent says

He's been clinging at any hope that justifies denial of the situation and putting his head in the sand.

And this was just one of straws he was grasping at.
Anyone with a tiny bit of integrity would recognize that. - Not personality cult members obviously.

y'all got anymore of them Trump Pills?

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/31/michigan-democrat-governor-asks-feds-for-hydroxychloroquine-to-treat-coronavirus-four-days-after-banning-use/#more-187992

Tenpoundbass says

It's also telling that Half pint Fauci has not reported one single statistic from his fictitious clinical trial he announced two weeks ago.

After this whole thing blows over by the middle of the summer, ppl like Fauci will be known for the type of bureaucratic cockblockers that they really are.

He had his chance, on the international stage, to show that he was more than a corporate/govt/academic shill but failed at his job, which wasn't to protect the profession (from liabilities) but to protect the public.

rdm says

Give me one example of this from Biden?

For real?

Here is Biden's big Coronavirus speech from a few weeks ago criticizing Trump's travel ban from China and Europe........calling Trump a xenophobe..........saying it wouldn't stop the virus.

Keep in mind, Slow Joe Biden was saying this 6 weeks after Trump banned travel from China and the WHO finally got around to calling this a Pandemic. Even after we figured out that the Coronavirus was extremely contagious and deadly, Biden was putting Political Correctness in front of America's health.

Now pretty much the entire fucking world has travel bans in place.

www.youtube.com/embed/aAdzW-mRKTk