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Didier Raoult confirms efficiency of hydroxychloroquine on 80 patients
Has to be used with antibiotic azithromycine otherwise it doesn't work.
https://www.lesechos.fr/idees-debats/sciences-prospective/coronavirus-didier-raoult-confirme-lefficacite-de-lhydroxychloroquine-sur-80-patients-1189866

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/menlo-park-lab-aims-to-distribute-millions-of-coronavirus-tests/2262523/?fbclid=IwAR1WgILagZ3vkP0Gp2e5j05w4rAHhCfYVEGcUHjvhp-8uAJICawYqQTlC9A

Patrick says

They are literally trying to kill people rather than allow that Trump may be right.

Trump is not a doctor and doesn't know shit. He shouldn't propose unproven drugs. That was a very STUPID thing to do.

Heraclitusstudent says

Patrick says

They are literally trying to kill people rather than allow that Trump may be right.

Trump is not a doctor and doesn't know shit. He shouldn't propose unproven drugs. That was a very STUPID thing to do.

He didnt. He reported optimistic premilinary results from a micro test. Same thing you in post above.

Trump isn't a doctor, but he is visibly trying to do the right thing and talking person-to-person with the public on a human level. The so-called doctors in charge are bizarre political creatures with murky agendas.

Heraclitusstudent says

Trump is not a doctor and doesn't know shit. He shouldn't propose unproven drugs. That was a very STUPID thing to do.

You keep trusting the people who brought us Obamacare and placebo Vaxes but keep my President out of it.
Some people just aren't sophisticated enough to see that Trump is now exposing that corrupt Swamp for what it is, and they are not to be trusted.
And Trump never says anything that is not 100% correct. You may not like that he says something that seems childish and not true.
But what he does is get them to look at what Trump was trying to get them to look at, in the first place.
You call it lie, I call it manipulate. Trump can manipulate the manipulative press into exposing their bias and Deep State's corruption every time.
So those Lies pack a big huge Truth. The problem is most people are dissecting and parsing the wrong words. And that's the Truth.

Trump has exposed that up until now, there hasn't been any testing done, mostly just reporting everyone sick and dead as corona virus victims. He lied to get the Media to finally admit and expose that the WHO and the CDC numbers were way over blown by 440%.
Trump lies all the time, and I love it.

And if Trump went all in on the Chloroquine, then you can bet your last dollar, he was convinced based on what he's seen. He probably has someone that has been railroaded and stonewalled by Fauci and FDC and Trump knows exactly which scumbag motherfuckers to nudge, provoke and snatch out of the dark dank corners of the seedy swamp corruption and thrust them into the spot light. You're seeing that now, with Dr. Fauci, so enjoy the show, you're watching a masterful sophisticated statesman at work.
Show some respect! Because you know damn well if you come down with it and you find yourself not breathing well. The first thing you're going to ask for is a Trump Pill.

Heraclitusstudent says

He shouldn't propose unproven drugs. That was a very STUPID thing to do.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/28/michigan-man-credits-president-trump-for-surviving-coronavirus-says-gov-whitmer-sentencing-people-to-death/

Jim Santilli told talk radio host Steve Gruber he is “living proof” the combination of the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin works.

Santilli said he became seriously ill March 18 “with severe cardiac and respiratory issues” and was admitted to Henry Ford Macomb Hospital in metro Detroit.

According to Gruber, “Santilli said the biggest problem was waiting for test results that took four days to come back. In the meantime his condition worsened by the hour, and he thought he was going to die.”

“Santilli says he was slowly drowning and was convinced he ‘would not live until midnight.’ That’s when doctors made a decision he says changed everything,” Gruber said.

The survivor said the drug combination began to work “within a few hours.”

Santilli credited Trump for his survival.M

Half Witt then outlawed it after the news broke. I trust Trump over anyone in a high level position anywhere in our healthcare system right now, and anyone would be a damn fool to doubt Trump over a Career Bio Research Investor acting like Doctors.

The reality is the Drugs in question are all already FDA approved, and in most instances with drugs. That includes being prescribed for off label uses. That happens all the time, especially with Cancer. Fibro Malagia, Auto Immune Disorders and most other tough to treat conditions have no known FDA Clinical study drugs for them, and every drug prescribed in those instances are all off label uses. This is the hard fact, and the Mayors and Governors has no business getting between Doctor patients treatment, that are using FDA approved drugs.

Fauci knows this and had no business shitting on Trump for announcing it. That guy is nothing but a greedy Vaxer profiteer and a medical huckster and a hack.

Shit, what could be more harmful than DEATH they are flouting and flogging us with? A few side effects compared with CERTAIN DEATH? What's to lose?

CBOEtrader says

He didnt. He reported optimistic premilinary results from a micro test. Same thing you in post above.

Why? He had no information on it. Why would he speak in favor or against a drug? This was stupid. Period.
If Obama had done that you would be blaming him, and now you defend Trump, not because he was right, but because you guys are a fucking cult.
Doctors have a protocol for a reason.
If you don't like it, go see the local witch doctor.

Heraclitusstudent says

Patrick says

They are literally trying to kill people rather than allow that Trump may be right.

Trump is not a doctor and doesn't know shit. He shouldn't propose unproven drugs. That was a very STUPID thing to do.

He then also shouldn't talk economics. Or legislation. Taxes. On and on. Why is anyone POTUS at this point? You need to be an expert on everything by your standard.

Heraclitusstudent says

He had no information on it. Why would he speak in favor or against a drug?

Maybe he actually does have some information on it.

Tin foil hat on!

OK, let's say this whole disease was deliberately spread, and the spreaders always knew that there is an easy cure from the beginning. Maybe it was designed by Democrats/swamp/globalist/deep state to crash Trump's remarkably good economy in the hopes that Trump would not get re-elected. Or maybe it was created by, say, Russia, just to get the US and China to go at each other.

And maybe that info was leaked to Trump, and he wanted to get the info out there, to cut the epidemic short.

Fauci, a huge Hillary supporter, may have been horrified that the whole scheme to take down the economy was in danger, assuming he was in on it.

Tinfoil hat off.

Sure, that's all crazy, but this whole thing is crazy. You should be paranoid in proportion to the amount of money involved. And there are trillions involved here.

Patrick says

Why would the Nevada governor forbid doctors to prescribe this to Wuhan virus patients? You know, aside from the fact that he's a Democrat?

Because they are hoarding it for hospitals, nothing sinister in this case. Flip side is that probably drug is active against corona, if doctors are prescribing it.

Ceffer says

Trump isn't a doctor, but he is visibly trying to do the right thing and talking person-to-person with the public on a human level. The so-called doctors in charge are bizarre political creatures with murky agendas.

Fausi seems to be doing a decent job

www.youtube.com/embed/1TJdjhd_XG8

Patrick says

Or maybe it was created by, say, Russia, just to get the US and China to go at each other.

There was a big fire in Russian bioweapons lab in Novosibirsk last September. Novosibirsk is right on the border with China and cross-border trade is pretty lively there. So maybe that shit escaped during the fire and got carried by Chinese laborers back to China.

WookieMan says

He then also shouldn't talk economics. Or legislation. Taxes

Agree.

Trump is a promoter, he really knows very little about anything but promotion.

It was a really good interview. Basically, you can tell, he's actively doing great research. Most doctors aren't willing to do that and they just want to be told what to do from a manual or from above.

theoakman says

It was a really good interview. Basically, you can tell, he's actively doing great research. Most doctors aren't willing to do that and they just want to be told what to do from a manual or from above.

He's also a creative thinker as he added Zinc Sulfate, so that the Hydroxychloroquine can be a carrier of its Zinc ion into the intercellular space of the infected cell instead of wasting time on the surface where Zinc's antiviral effects are wasted. That's why most Zinc lozenges aren't useful.

That's having the ability to think outside the box, which many ass kissing establishment types like Fauci can't do.

He was also smart in the sense that he didn't say if the Azithromycine had any antiviral effects and only focused on its effects on opportunistic infections.

This is a real doctor, not a stereotypical Oxycontin pushing douchebag.

The $20 hydroxychloroquine cocktail has a 98% success rate but Bill Gates and the media want to cash out on a vaccine and make trillions. CHINA-19 has already been defeated

Bill Gates wants to drag this out until next year. He's really pissed off that the cure came so untimely for them. He had this big elaborate coronation planned where he was going to be nominated the king of the world, or the head of the UN one government. I mean he told the janitor at Microsoft, "pshaw! you can have that old thing! I'm moving on up to the Big BIG office!" He was talking about his office and parking spot at Redmond.

Fucking meddling do gooder Doctors finding actual cures and stuff. What a waste of a perfectly good global crisis.

I'm curious if Liberals actually think Historians will look back at this and in spite of all of the record of Trump going above and beyond his duty, and the tireless work his whole task force is doing. The Liberals keep saying Trump isn't doing shit, and he's making things worse. Do these clowns think they'll be portrayed as some kind of voice of reason in the Historic record?
I think they are going sing Trump praises for his restraint, History will wonder why all of the TDS saboteurs and seditious dissidents weren't rounded up and dispatched.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Resources For Pharmacists

https://www.idstewardship.com/coronavirus-covid-19-resources-pharmacists/

Booger says

Bill Gates and the media want to cash out on a vaccine and make trillions.

Let me sum it up in one word ... DOUCHEBAGS!!!

Tenpoundbass says

Bill Gates wants to drag this out until next year.

This is why I was never impressed at his Bill & Melinda society because all it was, was a discount Rx program for the third world, not an organization to actually solve real medical issues, something which our greater NYC doctor is doing every single day.

https://www.trustnodes.com/2020/03/28/debate-ends-over-chloroquine-as-france-officially-sanctions-usage

Days after beginning a large scale double blinded trial, the so called gold standard, France has now reached the conclusion chloroquine is recommended to treat corona.

Speaking at a news conference, Jérôme Salomon (pictured), France’s director general of health, said the officially sanctioned prescriptions of chloroquine to treat corona “allows a temporary authorization to allow certain patients with coronavirus to benefit from this therapeutic route.”

Doctors in France now will finally be able to treat patients with Didier Raoult, a renown doctor that specializes in infectious diseases, announcing new clinical results that show out of 80 patients treated with chloroquine, 78 recovered within 5 days.

That’s considerably more than the usual 14 days and for some it can go up to 28 days if they recover at all. ...

In UK the government has prohibited its use outside of trial, but that position is probably untenable now as they have to explain why they are not treating patients as France is doing.

The hope is that once general treatment is given, and preferably early treatment, this situation can be contained as in South Korea or in China or in much of Asia.

Note that both China and South Korea officially recommend hydroxychloroquine for Wuhan virus disease, and have a low rate of deaths now.

Patrick says

Doctors in France now will finally be able to treat patients with Didier Raoult, a renown doctor that specializes in infectious diseases, announcing new clinical results that show out of 80 patients treated with chloroquine, 78 recovered within 5 days.

That’s considerably more than the usual 14 days and for some it can go up to 28 days if they recover at all. .

Friday is a long way away in the scheme of a Global Hoax Pandemic being exposed goes.

It will quite honestly be possible that by next Sunday(Easter) The world's attitude is, everybody back to work. If you get it, then there's a cure.


The Globalist are going to be livid. Where 2 out of 1000 people might get the Virus, and only two people buy a $20.00 treatment. They were demanding a Vaccine, that would require every man woman and child on Earth have to take their Yearly dose of a COVID19 Vaccine. Anthony Fauci was banking on it. Fuck now he's going to lose his HOUSE!

Yes this is about money and a lot hinging on the investment of the Vaccine, nobody expected a cure so soon. Not even HalfWitt.

Iran's clearly flattening curves may also reflect their use of hydroxychloroquine:



Why is it taking so long for additional studies to come out, positive or negative?

Tenpoundbass says

Where 2 out of 1000 people might get the Virus, and only two people buy a $20.00 treatment.

Less than that. The doctor suggests only immuno compromised should risk the toxicity, saying it's better for everyone healthy and under 60 years old to let your immune system do its job.

That probably means a vaccine will still be in the market and widely used within 18 months.

Patrick says

Days after beginning a large scale double blinded trial, the so called gold standard, France has now reached the conclusion chloroquine is recommended to treat corona.

Tenpoundbass says

The Globalist are going to be livid. Where 2 out of 1000 people might get the Virus, and only two people buy a $20.00 treatment. They were demanding a Vaccine, that would require every man woman and child on Earth have to take their Yearly dose of a COVID19 Vaccine. Anthony Fauci was banking on it. Fuck now he's going to lose his HOUSE!

ThreeBays says

Patrick says

Days after beginning a large scale double blinded trial, the so called gold standard, France has now reached the conclusion chloroquine is recommended to treat corona.

That's great news.

One issue is there was no double blinded trial data here, and this article is just referencing Didier Raoult's badly fudged study. https://forbetterscience.com/2020/03/26/chloroquine-genius-didier-raoult-to-save-the-world-from-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR02EUmH1FUjNVZXWrAGB0bfzpCDQ-v0l5Wx7WzywVwCVyUdP1LNhflDlDM

Why are chloroquine studies only popping up from fairly shady sources?

If the French and other European countries are using it now I doubt the studies aren't truthful.

ThreeBays says

mell says

If the French and other European countries are using it now I doubt the studies aren't truthful.

The French have approved it for use for certain COVID-19 patients. Is there more information?

https://www.france24.com/en/20200329-french-expert-says-second-study-shows-malaria-drug-helps-fight-coronavirus

Fakemed, a group of scientists against fake news in health, lambasted the 68-year-old professor.

After Raoult released his latest findings on the internet over the weekend, Professor Francois Balloux of University College, London, tried to dampen talk that the drug could be a silver bullet.

"No, (this is) not 'huge' I'm afraid," he said on Twitter.

"This is an observational study (i.e. not controlled) following...

That must be why MDs are stockpiling it for their families here in the US while telling patients it's not effective. From all the material I read so far I'm convinced it's effective enough to make a big difference.

mell says

If the French and other European countries are using it now I doubt the studies aren't truthful.

Pretty sure they are corner cutting, but also only prescribing this to at risk patients for whom CV is a very possible death sentence.

I wouldnt expect the proper studies to be completed for months

CBOEtrader says

mell says

If the French and other European countries are using it now I doubt the studies aren't truthful.

Pretty sure they are corner cutting, but also only prescribing this to at risk patients for whom CV is a very possible death sentence.

I wouldnt expect the proper studies to be completed for months

Agreed.

ThreeBays says

I'm hopeful this is real because that would save a lot of lives and get us back to normal, but I'm not finding any material that's very convincing that this is a silver bullet yet.

This French guy's study isn't controlled or large enough to really tell much.

Dr. Vladmir Zelenko's data is also pretty weird. It sounds like he did most of his protocol between Tuesday and Thursday last week, and by Monday he was already declaring victory and writing a letter to Trump. Weird A/F.

Long term studies take too much time in this scenario. It doesn't matter if it's only partially effective, if it helps keeping even just 20% of people off the ICU it's a huge win.

We should know alot more this week with all of the trials going on in New York.

This thread is VERY encouraging from one of the doctors treating hundreds of paitents with it with ZERO deaths so far..
https://twitter.com/KMCRadio/status/1243439036917841920

According to that NY doctor, if you are younger than 60 and healthy, you get to fight through your resulting CV illness. You wont get this drug unless your symptoms progress to a dangerous level. It sounds miserable, and takes about 10 days from start of symptoms until it subsides

Why do people think it's a far fetched idea that an anti-viral medication would have a positive effect on faster recovery?

theoakman says

Why do people think it's a far fetched idea that an anti-viral medication would have a positive effect on faster recovery?

Because Trump suggested it.

https://in.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-novartis/novartis-ceo-says-malaria-drug-is-biggest-hope-against-coronavirus-sonntagszeitung-idINKBN21G06O?utm_source=patrick.net

ZURICH (Reuters) - Novartis Chief Executive Vas Narasimhan said his Sandoz generics unit’s malaria, lupus and arthritis drug hydroxychloroquine is the company’s biggest hope against the coronavirus, Swiss newspaper SonntagsZeitung reported on Sunday. ...

“Pre-clinical studies in animals as well as the first data from clinical studies show that hydroxychloroquine kills the coronavirus,” Narasimhan told the newspaper. “We’re working with Swiss hospitals on possible treatment protocols for the clinical use of the drug, but it’s too early to say anything definitively.”

He said the company is currently looking for additional active drug ingredients to make more hydroxychloroquine, should clinical trials be successful.

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Heraclitusstudent says

You guys are paranoiac cultists.
There is a method to test drugs and doctors insist on following the method.
If you don't like modern medicine, visit your witch doctor.

Certainly not during a pandemic. You naturally try and give leeway to known antivirals and skip the usually required lengthy clinical trials. When your house is on fire you don't wait for a certified water hose, you throw at it what you have. Btw. one of Trumps first signing was the 21st century cures act which allows terminally ill or disabled patients to try potential new cures without waiting for years of phase 3 trials. Not everything orange man does is bad and he may win on chloroquine as well. There's a reason MDs have been stockpiling it for their families while telling patients it's too risky.

Tenpoundbass says

He shouldn't propose unproven drugs. That was a very STUPID thing to do.

Let science take care of itself. It is a hypothesis that he's presented. We'll find out in time if it's correct or incorrect. Let the medical and scientific community report on the efficacy.