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Rin
2020 Mar 6, 2:35pm
Rin
2020 Mar 6, 2:35pm
OccasionalCortex says
Look, I'm trying to give the OP, Indc, his props for being upset as to how India never truly achieved Independence, transferring power from one Junta, Lord Mountbatten, to another, Jawaharlal Nehru.
With the above stated, after the death of Nehru's grandson, Rajiv Gandhi, in 1991, that story was over!
This doesn't explain away why the billions of dollars spent by corporate America, didn't result in the world's greatest Silicon Valley.
Read my post above on that ...
https://patrick.net/post/1330601?offset=40#comment-1651699
"All right, since Rajiv's passing, corporate America threw billions of dollars at India, to develop a Silicon Valley where for the most part, ALL software and data processing was suppose to have occurred for much of the US's global customer base. That cycle lasted between the 90s and 10s and finally came to an end when places like Wipro or even Infosys, only threw warm bodies at the issues, instead of developing centers for value added services. After 2010, corporate America seized to treat Bangalore Inc as the final stop for IT services.
So what happened? How is it the the great corporate USA, which tried to cut off work from its own continental citizens and grant it, practically free of charge to an entire subcontinent, wasn't able to pull it off? Was this also Rajiv Gandhi's fault, even after he was dead?
My answer ... India was not post-Meiji Japan.
In other words, when the once-in-a-century opportunity to become a tech empire was given, it didn't rise to the challenge. Instead, they expected work to be sub-compartmentalized and delivered, like making gears for some one else's machine. This is backward, colonial thinking. My Indian-American friend tried repeatedly with Wipro, to get their teams to look at problems and their computerized resolutions. They simply refused. They always went back to billable hours and how to maximize them with the least amount of work delivered. That's not how an information/tech business works. When my friend gave Wipro the boot, he told 'em all this. And while they were stunned, they didn't make any changes when they tried their rebid the following year.
Unfortunately, it's now 2020 and the rest of the world, from Manila to Bulgaria, all want that work. India lost its day in the sun."
Rin saysWith the above stated, the day zero for modern, post-independence India was 1991, the assassination of Rajiv Gandhi (Indira's son, no relations to Mohandas Gandhi).
So what? That has nothing to do with independence.
Look, I'm trying to give the OP, Indc, his props for being upset as to how India never truly achieved Independence, transferring power from one Junta, Lord Mountbatten, to another, Jawaharlal Nehru.
With the above stated, after the death of Nehru's grandson, Rajiv Gandhi, in 1991, that story was over!
This doesn't explain away why the billions of dollars spent by corporate America, didn't result in the world's greatest Silicon Valley.
Read my post above on that ...
https://patrick.net/post/1330601?offset=40#comment-1651699
"All right, since Rajiv's passing, corporate America threw billions of dollars at India, to develop a Silicon Valley where for the most part, ALL software and data processing was suppose to have occurred for much of the US's global customer base. That cycle lasted between the 90s and 10s and finally came to an end when places like Wipro or even Infosys, only threw warm bodies at the issues, instead of developing centers for value added services. After 2010, corporate America seized to treat Bangalore Inc as the final stop for IT services.
So what happened? How is it the the great corporate USA, which tried to cut off work from its own continental citizens and grant it, practically free of charge to an entire subcontinent, wasn't able to pull it off? Was this also Rajiv Gandhi's fault, even after he was dead?
My answer ... India was not post-Meiji Japan.
In other words, when the once-in-a-century opportunity to become a tech empire was given, it didn't rise to the challenge. Instead, they expected work to be sub-compartmentalized and delivered, like making gears for some one else's machine. This is backward, colonial thinking. My Indian-American friend tried repeatedly with Wipro, to get their teams to look at problems and their computerized resolutions. They simply refused. They always went back to billable hours and how to maximize them with the least amount of work delivered. That's not how an information/tech business works. When my friend gave Wipro the boot, he told 'em all this. And while they were stunned, they didn't make any changes when they tried their rebid the following year.
Unfortunately, it's now 2020 and the rest of the world, from Manila to Bulgaria, all want that work. India lost its day in the sun."
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Shaman
2020 Mar 6, 2:46pm
Shaman
2020 Mar 6, 2:46pm
indc says
Why... and I’m being serious here...should ANYONE be afraid of Hindus? I just don’t get how they’re scary. Backwards and isolationist, too many gods and not enough science, but scary? Puhlease!
Left wing has become more hindu-phobic now. Atleast right-wing doesn't show its hinduphobia as before.
Why... and I’m being serious here...should ANYONE be afraid of Hindus? I just don’t get how they’re scary. Backwards and isolationist, too many gods and not enough science, but scary? Puhlease!
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Rin
2020 Mar 6, 4:26pm
Rin
2020 Mar 6, 4:26pm
OccasionalCortex says
Here's why ... because every non-Islamic majority nation-state, not run by shitheads like the Burmese Junta, should have a chance of joining the modern world.
When the OP realizes that, then he'll stop these rants against the USA, UK, or any other NATO ally trying "to keep his country down", against those Islamists, who want to destroy it.
So WHY the fuck do you waste all the brain cells you just did coming up with ANY cogent reply to his troll, period?
Here's why ... because every non-Islamic majority nation-state, not run by shitheads like the Burmese Junta, should have a chance of joining the modern world.
When the OP realizes that, then he'll stop these rants against the USA, UK, or any other NATO ally trying "to keep his country down", against those Islamists, who want to destroy it.
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Rin
2020 Mar 6, 4:29pm
Rin
2020 Mar 6, 4:29pm
Remember, 500K ethnic Indians were kicked out of Burma, a part of British India, during the '62 uprising.
Again, was this the fault of the British or the west? The OP needs to learn these facts about his own subcontinent.
Again, was this the fault of the British or the west? The OP needs to learn these facts about his own subcontinent.
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Rin
2020 Mar 6, 4:45pm
Rin
2020 Mar 6, 4:45pm
OccasionalCortex says
I also recognize a man, defeated by past hurts and unfulfilled wishes.
Remember the Indian-American, in my post above, who lambasted Wipro, for being a bodyshop. In the end, he was hurt that India never became a Silicon Valley and that his parents' homeland was a joke. Yes, he wanted better but it didn't come to fruition unlike Japan, during the 70s and 80s, or South Korea in the 90s for electronics.
I am VERY surprised you don't see the trollshit from the trees here, Rin. You're a smart guy.
I also recognize a man, defeated by past hurts and unfulfilled wishes.
Remember the Indian-American, in my post above, who lambasted Wipro, for being a bodyshop. In the end, he was hurt that India never became a Silicon Valley and that his parents' homeland was a joke. Yes, he wanted better but it didn't come to fruition unlike Japan, during the 70s and 80s, or South Korea in the 90s for electronics.
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CBOEtrader
2020 Mar 6, 4:47pm
CBOEtrader
2020 Mar 6, 4:47pm
indc says
Maybe all the smart indians come here, leaving india a shithole.
most of the problems are because of multi-culturalism. muslims, christians and communists working together to sabotage india.
Maybe all the smart indians come here, leaving india a shithole.
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Rin
2020 Mar 6, 7:30pm
Rin
2020 Mar 6, 7:30pm
OccasionalCortex says
Ok Indc, did you just read this?
Yes, the United States of America or let's say Corporate United States of America, sent jobs to India in return for nothing.
Yes, the Empire asked for no lands nor military bases in terms for trying to create, a technology empire outside of the continental USA.
How did Bangalore Inc respond? ... by delivering nothing but a body shop.
What other dominate country does this? If anything, the USA was India's greatest modern era benefactor but to no avail. Bangalore Inc was a joke!
Since I had to deal with Wipro's crap and got one of my jobs outsourced to Tata...and I had to TRAIN the fuckers, too...I COULD REALLY GIVE A SHIT.
Ok Indc, did you just read this?
Yes, the United States of America or let's say Corporate United States of America, sent jobs to India in return for nothing.
Yes, the Empire asked for no lands nor military bases in terms for trying to create, a technology empire outside of the continental USA.
How did Bangalore Inc respond? ... by delivering nothing but a body shop.
What other dominate country does this? If anything, the USA was India's greatest modern era benefactor but to no avail. Bangalore Inc was a joke!
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HeadSet
2020 Mar 7, 8:15am
HeadSet
2020 Mar 7, 8:15am
Left wing has become more hindu-phobic now
Yes, that must be why the Dems rejected Tulsi Gabbard in their Primary.
In reality, Americans give no more thought to "Hindu" than they do to "Jeti Knight."
Yes, that must be why the Dems rejected Tulsi Gabbard in their Primary.
In reality, Americans give no more thought to "Hindu" than they do to "Jeti Knight."
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