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Bd6r
2019 Nov 27, 1:51pm
Bd6r
2019 Nov 27, 1:51pm
I Swallowed a Red Pill says
This was published in a peer-reviewed, very high impact journal (PNAS, link: https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2019/11/20/1906420116), and so I am inclined to believe it unless another peer-reviewed investigation speaks against it.
And there is more data that the "Russian election interference" is most likely BS:
https://www.thenation.com/article/russiagate-elections-interference/
The reports, from the University of Oxford’s Computational Propaganda Research Project and the firm New Knowledge, do provide the most thorough look at Russian social-media activity to date. With an abundance of data, charts, graphs, and tables, coupled with extensive qualitative analysis, the authors scrutinize the output of the Internet Research Agency (IRA) the Russian clickbait firm indicted by special counsel Robert Mueller in February 2018. On every significant metric, it is difficult to square the data with the dramatic conclusions that have been drawn.
• 2016 Election Content: The most glaring data point is how minimally Russian social-media activity pertained to the 2016 campaign. The New Knowledge report acknowledges that evaluating IRA content “purely based on whether it definitively swung the election is too narrow a focus,” as the “explicitly political content was a small percentage.” To be exact, just “11% of the total content” attributed to the IRA and 33 percent of user engagement with it “was related to the election.” The IRA’s posts “were minimally about the candidates,” with “roughly 6% of tweets, 18% of Instagram posts, and 7% of Facebook posts” having “mentioned Trump or Clinton by name.”
And even more intersting: Covert or Clickbait Operation? Far from exposing a sophisticated propaganda campaign, the reports provide more evidence that the Russians were actually engaging in clickbait capitalism: targeting unique demographics like African Americans or evangelicals in a bid to attract large audiences for commercial purposes. Reporters who have profiled the IRA have commonly described it as “a social media marketing campaign.” Mueller’s indictment of the IRA disclosed that it sold “promotions and advertisements” on its pages that generally sold in the $25-$50 range. “This strategy,” Oxford observes, “is not an invention for politics and foreign intrigue, it is consistent with techniques used in digital marketing.” New Knowledge notes that the IRA even sold merchandise that “perhaps provided the IRA with a source of revenue,” hawking goods such as T-shirts, “LGBT-positive sex toys and many variants of triptych and 5-panel artwork featuring traditionally conservative, patriotic themes.”
Also, I'm not sure I believe the conclusions in your cited article. I only read your link, but it contains some doozies:
This was published in a peer-reviewed, very high impact journal (PNAS, link: https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2019/11/20/1906420116), and so I am inclined to believe it unless another peer-reviewed investigation speaks against it.
And there is more data that the "Russian election interference" is most likely BS:
https://www.thenation.com/article/russiagate-elections-interference/
The reports, from the University of Oxford’s Computational Propaganda Research Project and the firm New Knowledge, do provide the most thorough look at Russian social-media activity to date. With an abundance of data, charts, graphs, and tables, coupled with extensive qualitative analysis, the authors scrutinize the output of the Internet Research Agency (IRA) the Russian clickbait firm indicted by special counsel Robert Mueller in February 2018. On every significant metric, it is difficult to square the data with the dramatic conclusions that have been drawn.
• 2016 Election Content: The most glaring data point is how minimally Russian social-media activity pertained to the 2016 campaign. The New Knowledge report acknowledges that evaluating IRA content “purely based on whether it definitively swung the election is too narrow a focus,” as the “explicitly political content was a small percentage.” To be exact, just “11% of the total content” attributed to the IRA and 33 percent of user engagement with it “was related to the election.” The IRA’s posts “were minimally about the candidates,” with “roughly 6% of tweets, 18% of Instagram posts, and 7% of Facebook posts” having “mentioned Trump or Clinton by name.”
And even more intersting: Covert or Clickbait Operation? Far from exposing a sophisticated propaganda campaign, the reports provide more evidence that the Russians were actually engaging in clickbait capitalism: targeting unique demographics like African Americans or evangelicals in a bid to attract large audiences for commercial purposes. Reporters who have profiled the IRA have commonly described it as “a social media marketing campaign.” Mueller’s indictment of the IRA disclosed that it sold “promotions and advertisements” on its pages that generally sold in the $25-$50 range. “This strategy,” Oxford observes, “is not an invention for politics and foreign intrigue, it is consistent with techniques used in digital marketing.” New Knowledge notes that the IRA even sold merchandise that “perhaps provided the IRA with a source of revenue,” hawking goods such as T-shirts, “LGBT-positive sex toys and many variants of triptych and 5-panel artwork featuring traditionally conservative, patriotic themes.”
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WookieMan
2019 Nov 27, 2:00pm
WookieMan
2019 Nov 27, 2:00pm
I Swallowed a Red Pill says
Might want to tell Bloomberg that. lol.
I appreciate that you're mentioning that both sides are causing a hold up in getting things done. Because that's correct. I'm not sure which side gives in first, but this impeachment thing is a joke. We get too hung up on the POTUS. Congress is the bigger piece of shit because there are too many personalities. You see them in these hearings both left and right. It's annoying. Just fucking get something done.
Russians aren't using big ad buys to run commercials. That would not have a good return.
Might want to tell Bloomberg that. lol.
I appreciate that you're mentioning that both sides are causing a hold up in getting things done. Because that's correct. I'm not sure which side gives in first, but this impeachment thing is a joke. We get too hung up on the POTUS. Congress is the bigger piece of shit because there are too many personalities. You see them in these hearings both left and right. It's annoying. Just fucking get something done.
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Shaman
2019 Nov 27, 3:25pm
Shaman
2019 Nov 27, 3:25pm
The reason the left is SO HUNG UP on Trump being President and anxious to impeach him is that:
1)The POTUS appoints judges including SCOTUS justices
2)The Left has relied on Left-leaning political activist judges and justices to enact their Leftist GloboHomo agenda, since it is way too radical to pass Congress and and President.
3)Letting Trump appoint more Constitutional justices will totally screw the Left’s plan to judicially legislate more Leftist agenda. The left will be nerfed for a generation!
That’s why it’s important to get Trump back in office for another four years. The SCOTUS is too important, and thwarts Democrat plans to pass their agenda by judicial fiat.
1)The POTUS appoints judges including SCOTUS justices
2)The Left has relied on Left-leaning political activist judges and justices to enact their Leftist GloboHomo agenda, since it is way too radical to pass Congress and and President.
3)Letting Trump appoint more Constitutional justices will totally screw the Left’s plan to judicially legislate more Leftist agenda. The left will be nerfed for a generation!
That’s why it’s important to get Trump back in office for another four years. The SCOTUS is too important, and thwarts Democrat plans to pass their agenda by judicial fiat.
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WookieMan
2019 Nov 28, 6:20am
WookieMan
2019 Nov 28, 6:20am
I Swallowed a Red Pill says
100% on both sides being BS artists. With regards to Trump, sure he has the biggest microphone and platform to influence. But to say he sets the tone isn't always true. The Dems have a leadership problem in both House and Senate. Not sure if Pelosi ever had a prime because I never really followed her before recent time, but she exudes zero confidence and struggles to even get a coherent message out. Behind closed doors it's already been stated that many didn't want her as speaker after their '18 victory in the House. I don't blame them from what I've seen.
You need a strong confident person to go up against the likes of Trump and she's not that. I'm not sexist as there are strong woman out that can mess with Trump, but she's a weak, old, woman. If the Dems had a hand, they have to realize there's still a thumb on it and you might want to point it at yourself instead of Trump all the time. I can't even listen to Schumer. He sounds like a whiny bitch. The fact is, these two came from the coasts and are not representative of the country as a whole regardless of how populous their districts or states are.
Until they get the message that the Dem platform is utter retardation in it's current form, they'll lose POTUS indefinitely. As Millennials age as the now largest population group, they're going to turn more conservative as has always played out in history. They'll always be competitive in the House, but I could see a decade and maybe even two of Republican control of all 3 branches with the occasional House swing due to the huge populous coastal states. This whole impeachment is nothing but failed policy and execution by Democrats. It has nothing to do with Trump, he's just their scapegoat because they got their assess handed to them by a NYC real estate developer and casino operator.
This is why I think the Democratic party might actually crash and burn and go out of existence. May come back with the same name, but it will be completely different leadership and message. I think the OP title might be better suited "Does the Democratic Party Exist After 11/3/2020?"
Well we agree that both sides are guilty of doing what is in their own interest. I put a lot of the blame on Trump, because he sets the tone, and he is an attention black hole
100% on both sides being BS artists. With regards to Trump, sure he has the biggest microphone and platform to influence. But to say he sets the tone isn't always true. The Dems have a leadership problem in both House and Senate. Not sure if Pelosi ever had a prime because I never really followed her before recent time, but she exudes zero confidence and struggles to even get a coherent message out. Behind closed doors it's already been stated that many didn't want her as speaker after their '18 victory in the House. I don't blame them from what I've seen.
You need a strong confident person to go up against the likes of Trump and she's not that. I'm not sexist as there are strong woman out that can mess with Trump, but she's a weak, old, woman. If the Dems had a hand, they have to realize there's still a thumb on it and you might want to point it at yourself instead of Trump all the time. I can't even listen to Schumer. He sounds like a whiny bitch. The fact is, these two came from the coasts and are not representative of the country as a whole regardless of how populous their districts or states are.
Until they get the message that the Dem platform is utter retardation in it's current form, they'll lose POTUS indefinitely. As Millennials age as the now largest population group, they're going to turn more conservative as has always played out in history. They'll always be competitive in the House, but I could see a decade and maybe even two of Republican control of all 3 branches with the occasional House swing due to the huge populous coastal states. This whole impeachment is nothing but failed policy and execution by Democrats. It has nothing to do with Trump, he's just their scapegoat because they got their assess handed to them by a NYC real estate developer and casino operator.
This is why I think the Democratic party might actually crash and burn and go out of existence. May come back with the same name, but it will be completely different leadership and message. I think the OP title might be better suited "Does the Democratic Party Exist After 11/3/2020?"
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Onvacation
2019 Nov 28, 8:23am
Onvacation
2019 Nov 28, 8:23am
I Swallowed a Red Pill says
What is Trump's biggest (not hyperbole) baddest lie?
Many on the left hate Trump, because of his relentless assault on the truth
What is Trump's biggest (not hyperbole) baddest lie?
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Shaman
2019 Dec 5, 10:01pm
Shaman
2019 Dec 5, 10:01pm
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/12/05/dem-rep-van-drew-ill-vote-against-impeachment-unless-theres-something-new/
More cracks in the Dem dam. How many Dems won’t vote to impeach? I will be surprised if it’s any less than 30.
More cracks in the Dem dam. How many Dems won’t vote to impeach? I will be surprised if it’s any less than 30.
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HeadSet
2019 Dec 6, 6:20am
HeadSet
2019 Dec 6, 6:20am
Shaman says
So it seems there is no bi-partisan vote for impeachment, but there is now bi-partisan support against impeachment?
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/12/05/dem-rep-van-drew-ill-vote-against-impeachment-unless-theres-something-new/
More cracks in the Dem dam. How many Dems won’t vote to impeach? I will be surprised if it’s any less than 30.
So it seems there is no bi-partisan vote for impeachment, but there is now bi-partisan support against impeachment?
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WookieMan
2019 Dec 6, 6:49am
WookieMan
2019 Dec 6, 6:49am
Shaman says
30 might be a bit high, but I also wouldn't be shocked if it got that high. I've said as much that I don't think the House will successfully vote on articles to impeach already.
But the problem is that the House was totally one sided in the public hearings. So the left/dem base thinks there's something there when there isn't if they had just watched say 6 hours of all these hearings unfiltered. So they'll pressure their reps, even in the purple/red areas because they're soooo pissed and having a 3 year temper tantrum. The right is just like whatever, so all these reps are just hearing a vocal minority.
Also, the behind closed door stuff, according to House members involved (and the only place to get this is MSM) is there is "damning" evidence against the POTUS and it's all spun up to be a "crime crime" bs. (edit: "high crime" but I kind of like crime crime lol) But people are too blind to question why this "damning" evidence WON'T be presented to the public. The dems are feeding their own party constituents poison and seemingly have no idea.
I finally watched (mostly) that Biden video at the swimming pool. His campaign for the Democratic nomination is over. If he somehow wins the nomination, 2020 is already in the bag for Trump. And this had nothing to do with Ukraine, Hunter, Burisma, etc. The guy is a certifiable creep. Anyone that thinks his speech/talk at that pool was normal shouldn't be allowed to vote. Period.
I will be surprised if it’s any less than 30.
30 might be a bit high, but I also wouldn't be shocked if it got that high. I've said as much that I don't think the House will successfully vote on articles to impeach already.
But the problem is that the House was totally one sided in the public hearings. So the left/dem base thinks there's something there when there isn't if they had just watched say 6 hours of all these hearings unfiltered. So they'll pressure their reps, even in the purple/red areas because they're soooo pissed and having a 3 year temper tantrum. The right is just like whatever, so all these reps are just hearing a vocal minority.
Also, the behind closed door stuff, according to House members involved (and the only place to get this is MSM) is there is "damning" evidence against the POTUS and it's all spun up to be a "crime crime" bs. (edit: "high crime" but I kind of like crime crime lol) But people are too blind to question why this "damning" evidence WON'T be presented to the public. The dems are feeding their own party constituents poison and seemingly have no idea.
I finally watched (mostly) that Biden video at the swimming pool. His campaign for the Democratic nomination is over. If he somehow wins the nomination, 2020 is already in the bag for Trump. And this had nothing to do with Ukraine, Hunter, Burisma, etc. The guy is a certifiable creep. Anyone that thinks his speech/talk at that pool was normal shouldn't be allowed to vote. Period.
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mell
2019 Dec 6, 8:58am
WookieMan says
lol this is truly a terrible video. I doubt though that he gets anything sexual out of it - he is just a socially very awkward guy but ironically in a way that makes him come on (too) strong which women generally love, and esp. older long-post-wall womyn don't mind that he's old and creepy, they get some self worth out of it and the long lost feeling of attractiveness, so he has been - despite his creepyness - traditionally pretty well liked and thus - as crazy as it sounds - is probably the most likable candidate among the Dems. Which says a lot about the quality of their candidates and should ensure four more years of Trump.
Shaman saysI will be surprised if it’s any less than 30.
30 might be a bit high, but I also wouldn't be shocked if it got that high. I've said as much that I don't think the House will successfully vote on articles to impeach already.
But the problem is that the House was totally one sided in the public hearings. So the left/dem base thinks there's something there when there isn't if they had just watched say 6 hours of all these hearings unfiltered. So they'll pressure their reps, even in the purple/red areas because they're soooo pissed and having a 3 year temper tantrum. The right is just like whatever, so all these reps are just hearing a vocal minority.
Also, the behind closed door stuff, according to House members involved (and the only place to get this is MSM) is there is "damning" evidence against the POTUS and it's all spun up to be a "crime crime" bs. (edit: "high cr...
lol this is truly a terrible video. I doubt though that he gets anything sexual out of it - he is just a socially very awkward guy but ironically in a way that makes him come on (too) strong which women generally love, and esp. older long-post-wall womyn don't mind that he's old and creepy, they get some self worth out of it and the long lost feeling of attractiveness, so he has been - despite his creepyness - traditionally pretty well liked and thus - as crazy as it sounds - is probably the most likable candidate among the Dems. Which says a lot about the quality of their candidates and should ensure four more years of Trump.
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Shaman
2019 Dec 7, 9:28am
Shaman
2019 Dec 7, 9:28am
As Democrat leadership barrels forward on impeachment, moderate Democrats are reportedly feeling anxious and frustrated over its political consequences.
“The fact of the matter is this does have political consequences and the people who will suffer significant political consequences are our moderate members,” a moderate Democrat told CNN on Friday.
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/12/06/moderate-democrats-frustrated-anxious-as-leadership-barrels-towards-impeachment/
“The fact of the matter is this does have political consequences and the people who will suffer significant political consequences are our moderate members,” a moderate Democrat told CNN on Friday.
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/12/06/moderate-democrats-frustrated-anxious-as-leadership-barrels-towards-impeachment/
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Shaman
2019 Dec 10, 9:45am
Shaman
2019 Dec 10, 9:45am
Nancy and Schifty releases their two articles of impeachment today. Abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.
Both are total bullshit and they didn’t even stick around to defend them. They know this is just a show for the rubes and the vote will fail.
Both are total bullshit and they didn’t even stick around to defend them. They know this is just a show for the rubes and the vote will fail.
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Shaman
2019 Dec 11, 11:03am
Shaman
2019 Dec 11, 11:03am
It’s more of an analysis than breaking news, but this is a fairly comprehensive analysis of the Democrats who are likely to vote against impeachment.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/10/31-trump-district-democrats-will-decide-impeachments-fate-in-house/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/10/31-trump-district-democrats-will-decide-impeachments-fate-in-house/
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Bd6r
2019 Dec 11, 11:10am
Bd6r
2019 Dec 11, 11:10am
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
You are confusing tRUMP with Ms Clinton
TRUMP! can order the democrats to suicide
You are confusing tRUMP with Ms Clinton
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HeadSet
2019 Dec 11, 2:02pm
HeadSet
2019 Dec 11, 2:02pm
Perhaps Nancy wants them to do the above.
I dunno, they came down on Rep. Brenda Lawrence, D-Mich, when she questioned the wisdom of impeachment. Made Lawrence come back into the impeachment fold right away.
I dunno, they came down on Rep. Brenda Lawrence, D-Mich, when she questioned the wisdom of impeachment. Made Lawrence come back into the impeachment fold right away.
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Shaman
2019 Dec 12, 11:36am
Shaman
2019 Dec 12, 11:36am
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/474279-pelosi-says-leadership-wont-pressure-moderates-to-back-impeachment
So now she’s signaling that there will be no negative political outcomes for voting no on impeachment for Democrats in swing states.
Could it be any more clear that the vote is expected to fail next week?
So now she’s signaling that there will be no negative political outcomes for voting no on impeachment for Democrats in swing states.
Could it be any more clear that the vote is expected to fail next week?
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Shaman
2019 Dec 12, 12:21pm
Shaman
2019 Dec 12, 12:21pm
OccasionalCortex says
Fair point!
But are these Democrat mobsters serious? After all, their only hopes of winning in 2020 in these purplish districts is to have a moderate incumbent.
If they replace the moderate with a radical Leftist, they won’t have a prayer of winning. The only examples where that strategy works is in deep blue districts like the one AOC stole.
Meanwhile, the same folks backing The Squad are threatening these moderates with primary challenges even as I type this.
Fair point!
But are these Democrat mobsters serious? After all, their only hopes of winning in 2020 in these purplish districts is to have a moderate incumbent.
If they replace the moderate with a radical Leftist, they won’t have a prayer of winning. The only examples where that strategy works is in deep blue districts like the one AOC stole.
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RC2006
2019 Dec 12, 2:10pm
RC2006
2019 Dec 12, 2:10pm
Every time Hank Johnson talks and use words that have to do with balance, measurements, weight, ect during impeachment I am reminded of this video. How do these fucks get elected?
www.youtube.com/embed/cesSRfXqS1Q
www.youtube.com/embed/cesSRfXqS1Q
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Dec 12, 7:01pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Dec 12, 7:01pm
OccasionalCortex says
The moderates are really fucked. If they refuse, the Dems can threaten the big funding they'll need to retain their seats given Trump's popularity in their districts.
But if they go ahead, they could easily lose in their districts that Trump one, in several very handily.
Complicating the matter is that the Dems are cash poor.
There is, however, one more choice they might avail themselves of...
Flip Mode.
Meanwhile, the same folks backing The Squad are threatening these moderates with primary challenges even as I type this.
The moderates are really fucked. If they refuse, the Dems can threaten the big funding they'll need to retain their seats given Trump's popularity in their districts.
But if they go ahead, they could easily lose in their districts that Trump one, in several very handily.
Complicating the matter is that the Dems are cash poor.
There is, however, one more choice they might avail themselves of...
Flip Mode.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Dec 14, 3:07pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Dec 14, 3:07pm
BOOM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-democrat-congressman-leaves-party-over-impeachment-becomes-republican/
NoCoupForYou says
There is, however, one more choice they might avail themselves of...
Flip Mode.
New Jersey Democratic Congressman Jeff Van Drew, who has strongly opposed the Democrats’ impeachment efforts, is leaving the Democratic Party and becoming a member of the Republican Party after meeting with President Donald Trump.
“Van Drew’s congressional and campaign staff were informed he was planning to switch parties on Saturday, according to Democratic sources,” Politico reported. “The question was now when, not if, Van Drew was joining the Republican Party, according to several Democrats with knowledge of the ongoing conversations.”
https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-democrat-congressman-leaves-party-over-impeachment-becomes-republican/
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Shaman
2019 Dec 14, 5:00pm
Shaman
2019 Dec 14, 5:00pm
Hahaha it’s on, bitches!
Dems have pushed their members too hard towards the crazy end of the stick and they’re defecting!
Next week should be glorious!
Dems have pushed their members too hard towards the crazy end of the stick and they’re defecting!
Next week should be glorious!
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Onvacation
2019 Dec 15, 8:44am
Onvacation
2019 Dec 15, 8:44am
I have been watching the impeachment. The democrats are looking old, weary, and out of touch with reality.
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WookieMan
2019 Dec 15, 9:03am
WookieMan
2019 Dec 15, 9:03am
Onvacation says
That’s why I insist on telling people to watch it (at least as much as you can) without viewing the sound bite clips from ANY media.
Dems look like a deer about to be smashed by a semi if you watch it. A few have a little passion, but most are just going through the motions it seems. He’s been put up to it, but all Nadler does is keep repeating the same line he’s been fed. You can tell he doesn’t believe it. And yes, republicans are doing the same thing, they just show more conviction and belief in what they’re saying. And that’s why support for impeachment keeps dropping.
I have been watching the impeachment. The democrats are looking old, weary, and out of touch with reality.
That’s why I insist on telling people to watch it (at least as much as you can) without viewing the sound bite clips from ANY media.
Dems look like a deer about to be smashed by a semi if you watch it. A few have a little passion, but most are just going through the motions it seems. He’s been put up to it, but all Nadler does is keep repeating the same line he’s been fed. You can tell he doesn’t believe it. And yes, republicans are doing the same thing, they just show more conviction and belief in what they’re saying. And that’s why support for impeachment keeps dropping.
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Shaman
2019 Dec 15, 6:20pm
Shaman
2019 Dec 15, 6:20pm
More supporting evidence. Now a group of five Democrats are putting their front man forward to declare they don’t support impeachment. Others are waffling. Pelosi is trying to bribe them with PAC money and legislation money for their districts. But the New Democrats in Trump supporting districts HAVE to know that voters will never forgive them for trying to oust their choice for President over nothing at all.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/15/buying-impeachment-nancy-pelosi-aligned-pac-spends-millions-help-swing-district-democrats/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/15/buying-impeachment-nancy-pelosi-aligned-pac-spends-millions-help-swing-district-democrats/
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Chiromancer
2019 Dec 16, 11:05pm
So you have two Dems so far, looks certainTrump is going to be impeached. My prediction stands maybe 5 Dem vote present or no and could be as few as 2
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WookieMan
2019 Dec 17, 5:17am
WookieMan
2019 Dec 17, 5:17am
Chiromancer says
Just fucking vote on it already. To the average American that doesn't know the process, this makes the Democrats look foolish. Like they're delaying. I personally think they are. Behind closed doors I'd guess there are more on the fence than is publicly known. They may not have the votes. Work on a weekend. Do whatever to get it done if you actually believe in it. Not seeing that.
I'm in a purple district in the IL suburbs of Chicago. I can tell you that impeachment is not popular here. Not even from the biggest Trump haters (my two liberal arts college professor neighbors). The is the closest information I'll give here about where I live, but my house rep. Lauren Underwood will not get reelected if she votes for impeachment. I'd bet money on it.
So you have two Dems so far, looks certainTrump is going to be impeached. My prediction stands maybe 5 Dem vote present or no and could be as few as 2
Just fucking vote on it already. To the average American that doesn't know the process, this makes the Democrats look foolish. Like they're delaying. I personally think they are. Behind closed doors I'd guess there are more on the fence than is publicly known. They may not have the votes. Work on a weekend. Do whatever to get it done if you actually believe in it. Not seeing that.
I'm in a purple district in the IL suburbs of Chicago. I can tell you that impeachment is not popular here. Not even from the biggest Trump haters (my two liberal arts college professor neighbors). The is the closest information I'll give here about where I live, but my house rep. Lauren Underwood will not get reelected if she votes for impeachment. I'd bet money on it.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Dec 17, 7:05am
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Dec 17, 7:05am
Chiromancer says
Trump is definitely not going to be impeached. I hope they drag out the impeachment trial and call every witness possible on the Bidens and anything that remotely strikes their fancy using their Senate Impeachment quasitrial powers.
So you have two Dems so far, looks certainTrump is going to be impeached. My prediction stands maybe 5 Dem vote present or no and could be as few as 2
Trump is definitely not going to be impeached. I hope they drag out the impeachment trial and call every witness possible on the Bidens and anything that remotely strikes their fancy using their Senate Impeachment quasitrial powers.
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Patrick
2019 Dec 17, 7:25am
Patrick
2019 Dec 17, 7:25am
WookieMan says
@WookieMan which suburb? I'm from Chicago Ridge (southwest) then later lived in Park Ridge (northwest).
I'm in a purple district in the IL suburbs of Chicago.
@WookieMan which suburb? I'm from Chicago Ridge (southwest) then later lived in Park Ridge (northwest).
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WookieMan
2019 Dec 17, 7:27am
WookieMan
2019 Dec 17, 7:27am
Lol. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/impeachment-warranted-also-bad-idea/603616/
Even the Atlantic is hinting impeachment might not be a good idea. Giving a back door excuse that "maybe impeachment isn't good for the country." No shit. The articles and stories are shifting if you're paying attention. I think they're trying to figure out who the scapegoat is going to be for not impeaching. Given her age, I think they are going to bus toss Pelosi. Just a guess.
Even the Atlantic is hinting impeachment might not be a good idea. Giving a back door excuse that "maybe impeachment isn't good for the country." No shit. The articles and stories are shifting if you're paying attention. I think they're trying to figure out who the scapegoat is going to be for not impeaching. Given her age, I think they are going to bus toss Pelosi. Just a guess.
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WookieMan
2019 Dec 17, 8:11am
WookieMan
2019 Dec 17, 8:11am
Patrick says
I'll keep it to Lauren Underwood's district and that I'm west of Chicago (not northwest or southwest of Chicago). My town is too small and someone savvy enough could probably dox me here if they were inclined to based on my previous comments. Since it's a big enough city, all I'll say is I was born in Aurora, IL (Party on!)
I know where both "Ridges" are, lol, funny you lived in two towns with that in it. Haven't spend much time in either though. 1/3 of my life has been in Chicago itself (Pilsen and Taylor St area) and the other 2/3 far West suburban living. 1/2 my adult life though has been split between the two.
WookieMan saysI'm in a purple district in the IL suburbs of Chicago.
@WookieMan which suburb? I'm from Chicago Ridge (southwest) then later lived in Park Ridge (northwest).
I'll keep it to Lauren Underwood's district and that I'm west of Chicago (not northwest or southwest of Chicago). My town is too small and someone savvy enough could probably dox me here if they were inclined to based on my previous comments. Since it's a big enough city, all I'll say is I was born in Aurora, IL (Party on!)
I know where both "Ridges" are, lol, funny you lived in two towns with that in it. Haven't spend much time in either though. 1/3 of my life has been in Chicago itself (Pilsen and Taylor St area) and the other 2/3 far West suburban living. 1/2 my adult life though has been split between the two.
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Chiromancer
2019 Dec 17, 8:41am
NoCoupForYou says
No he is going to be impeached, he very likely wont be convicted and removed by the Senate.
Trump is definitely not going to be impeached.
No he is going to be impeached, he very likely wont be convicted and removed by the Senate.
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WookieMan
2019 Dec 17, 8:53am
WookieMan
2019 Dec 17, 8:53am
Chiromancer says
Let's see the vote. My house rep will not get reelected if she votes yes to impeachment. This isn't as cut and dry as you'd like to think. They know they're not going to remove Trump from office. There are more on the fence then you think or is being broadcasted.
No he is going to be impeached
Let's see the vote. My house rep will not get reelected if she votes yes to impeachment. This isn't as cut and dry as you'd like to think. They know they're not going to remove Trump from office. There are more on the fence then you think or is being broadcasted.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Dec 17, 8:53am
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Dec 17, 8:53am
He's going to testify under oath. It's going to be magic.
After his testimony scorches the Democrats, empowered to reveal all kinds of shit, they'll do the usual Left switcheroo and say "How DARE he testify under oath! This is bad for national security" - a complete 180 from their current stance that he is hiding malfeasance and truth must be brought to light. Remember that an Oikophobes purpose is to destroy the native and familiar, not to push any alleged high principles, but to get revenge for being frumpy and high school teasing.
Trump wants the impeachment trial. I think he wants to testify publicly under oath. It'll be fun.
After his testimony scorches the Democrats, empowered to reveal all kinds of shit, they'll do the usual Left switcheroo and say "How DARE he testify under oath! This is bad for national security" - a complete 180 from their current stance that he is hiding malfeasance and truth must be brought to light. Remember that an Oikophobes purpose is to destroy the native and familiar, not to push any alleged high principles, but to get revenge for being frumpy and high school teasing.
Trump wants the impeachment trial. I think he wants to testify publicly under oath. It'll be fun.
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RC2006
2019 Dec 17, 9:08am
RC2006
2019 Dec 17, 9:08am
Tim Aurora says
I think he would ignore questions and ramble on about whatever pops into his head.
NoCoupForYou says
Trump wants the impeachment trial. I think he wants to testify publicly under oath. It'll be fun.
I doubt that Trump will ever testify. He is unable to speak truth ( but may qualify every sentence with I do not remember but .. )
I think he would ignore questions and ramble on about whatever pops into his head.
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Shaman
2019 Dec 17, 9:49am
Shaman
2019 Dec 17, 9:49am
Tomorrow we will see! I kind of hope that I’m wrong and the vote passes to impeach him. It will make for high fucking drama and a national SPOTLIGHT on this whole corrupt process. People who have been steadfastly ignoring this bullshit will have to take notice and that will give the Republicans their greatest chance in a generation to show the Democrats up for the lying scumbags that they truly are.
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WookieMan
2019 Dec 17, 10:03am
WookieMan
2019 Dec 17, 10:03am
Lol. Just tuned into the Rules Committee. Nadler isn't there..... This is falling apart as we sit here. Wow.
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Bd6r
2019 Dec 17, 10:07am
Bd6r
2019 Dec 17, 10:07am
WookieMan says
Just like it all fell apart last 2 times. But do not worry, they will come up with something else. Perhaps Mongolian Collusion, Babylonian Corruption Ring, or Olmec Bribe Scandal. All while anything real will not be looked at.
This is falling apart as we sit here
Just like it all fell apart last 2 times. But do not worry, they will come up with something else. Perhaps Mongolian Collusion, Babylonian Corruption Ring, or Olmec Bribe Scandal. All while anything real will not be looked at.
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RC2006
2019 Dec 17, 10:11am
RC2006
2019 Dec 17, 10:11am
I'm betting Dianne Feinstein accuses Trump of employing Chinese spies next.
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WookieMan
2019 Dec 17, 10:30am
WookieMan
2019 Dec 17, 10:30am
HEYYOU says
Nadler doesn't show. They send Jamie Raskin, who looks like he just fell into a tub of chapstick. Sorry, you choose a life of public service, family emergencies don't matter when you're trying to impeach the leader of the US. Bad look.
Predictions make one look like a fool.
Fools aren't time travelers that know what happens in the future.
Nadler doesn't show. They send Jamie Raskin, who looks like he just fell into a tub of chapstick. Sorry, you choose a life of public service, family emergencies don't matter when you're trying to impeach the leader of the US. Bad look.
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Trump still gets to crow though