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Remember all those journalists reporting from the trenches when the 'heroic' Al-Qaeda were fighting the Russians in Afghanistan with American support? How did that go?

Alliances are fleeting, and with nefarious intent the USA has armed, trained and financed numerous groups that have morphed into recalcitrant insurgencies beyond their control, that are now, of course, 'terrorists'.

Any temporary Kurd blessedness is strictly ephemeral and circumstantial.

The whole thing is a farce.

Here are Kurds working with the US to remove barriers on the Turkish border. I said "Remove".

www.youtube.com/embed/IX6JYzSj-J4

"Time for them to chase the shiney while the real shit happens behind the scenes. They're all basic bitches with their accountability journalism who couldn't investigate a cookie jar theft, so this will keep them ranting and away from the real action."

I don't know what exactly is going on, but I guarantee it's very different than the peddled simplistic narrative.

One interesting point is: Many of the ISIS fighters are European nationals, legalized rapefugees and other migrants. Europe is refu$ing to take them back, nor to pay Syria to keep them. The Europeans wanted US to do something with them, like spent our money to put them in Gitmo, so they can save themselves money and political fights at home, while saying "Oh, the USA and their Gitmo, so inhumane, unlike our wonderful selves".

Another one is this: Erodgan isn't above helping ISIS, they put pressure on Syria, Russia, Iran, Kurds, AND the Arabs. There was a car bomb, claimed to be an airstrike but doesn't look like it, and I think an attempted jailbreak of ISIS prisoners which the Kurds stopped.

And a final one: The BBC and others have resumed quoting the debunked Syrian Observatory for Human Rights again. Foreign Policy (the Globalist Magazine/Org) and the Establishment is very much against Turkey and very much for the Kurds. Remember all their previous articles pooh-poohing a Kurdistan as a viable solution. Their newfound love of Kurds is strange.

So TRump Cucks are all in favor of Kurd genocide.

Why am I not surprised.

marcus says

Kurd genocide.

30-mile strip along Turkey's border is hardly all the land Kurds occupy now. They hold big chunks of territory both in Syria and in Iraq. Nothing prevents them from pulling further inland from the border. Turkey wanted that strip of land to put Syrian refugees there and they were talking about it for the last year or so. Apparently US and Europe didn't succeed in persuading them not to do it. I suspect Europe even quietly encouraged them to go ahead because they don't want all these refugees dumped on them. What would you do as a US President: take a stand over 30-mile strip of Syrian land, pump it full of troops and, if all else fails, fight your own NATO ally? I bet Putin would be fucking delighted over that.

BTW, Russia attempted to establish their control over Syria-Turkey border back in 2015 and Erdogan went as far as shooting down their military jet. The fucker seems to be dead-set on controlling that border and has proven his willigless to escalate beyond what anyone thought possible.

Again, do you really really think a direct military conflict between US and our NATO ally over some narrow strip of foreign land is such a splendid idea? I mean, since 2008 or so we've let many fuckers cross many-many very important red lines and now we'll suddenly get serious over this? Why this? Why now? Because at some point the Kurds fought on our side (while also advancing theri own agenda)? Pfff: we've let down an ally who fought on our side far from their own borders and where they had no interest whatsoever and whom we've assured of their independence and territorial integrity in exchange to giving up a huge pile of very potent weaponry, so what's different now?

The PKK are Commie ISIS terrorists, the Real Kurds counter protesting the "Fuck Trump" protest in DC yesterday was calling them out on it.
The Antifa Agitators couldn't answer one single question the Real Kurds were asking them. So the Real Kurds just kept asking them "How much is George Soros paying you!?"

Ironically the Real Kurds were the only counter protesters the Antifa didn't circle and try to shut down.

Perhaps we should all be more like Turkish Kurds, the Antifa are fucking terrified of them.

Million dollar question in my mind is this: why the FUCK we are protecting enablers, organizers, and financiers of 9/11??? If we are pulling out of ME, should'nt we start with troops in Saudi Barbaria?
Kurds are the only sane ones in that whole damned region. I am not saying we should have troops in ME, but Kurdistan should be the last place we pull out of.

Well actually we should be backing the persecuted Christians to rise up and take control of the whole region.

Fuck the make believe Fake Kurds that are really ISIS financed by Obama, but they use real Kurds as human shields. And the EU Commies like to bomb the civilians and blame Russia and Assad every time Trump says he's pulling out. Time to back the Christians, they wouldn't allow anyone to use them as human shields if we give them some hardware.

6rdB says

Million dollar question in my mind is this: why the FUCK we are protecting enablers, organizers, and financiers of 9/11??? If we are pulling out of ME, should'nt we start with troops in Saudi Barbaria?
Kurds are the only sane ones in that whole damned region. I am not saying we should have troops in ME, but Kurdistan should be the last place we pull out of.

The whole "pulling-out" is constrained to the 30-mile strip along the border with Turkey.

Tenpoundbass says

Fake Kurds that are really ISIS financed by Obama

that does not really make any sense. The only part of Iraq/Syria where Christians are still present is Kurdistan. ISIS wiped out Yazidi Kurds - did kurds wipe out tthemselves?

And on top of everything there are credible reports that Erdogan is supporting radical Islamic terrorists. You can read hints about that on kavkazcenter.com, which is Al Qaeda in Caucasus website.

6rdB says

And on top of everything there are credible reports that Erdogan is supporting radical Islamic terrorists.

So, what's the proposal: full-on fight a NATO ally over that strip of border? Kick them out of NATO over this shit and then fight them? Erdogan is not forever, when he's gone (naturally, by losing an election, or after successful military coup) Turkey might veer back onto their former secular course, so there is no sense in going full retard over some narrow strip of land.

@Arm_HK_now - your posts are tripled and quadrupled above.
I'd say withdraw from Saudi Barbaria, then Afghanistan, then Iraq, then Turkey, and then Kurdistan. Otherwise we will see withdrawal only from Kurdistan.
Turks would not have gone in with US forces present. Furthermore, with demise of USSR and withdrawal from ME kicking Turkey out of NATO would do little harm. Let the Fucking Islamic Sultan Erdogan deal with his crazy neighbors himself.

Arm_HK_now says

Turkey might veer back onto their former secular course

Good luck with that - veering off the Islamic course seems very unlikely. Last coup was crushed and military purged...

6rdB says

Turks would not have gone in with US forces present.

Except they did exactly that and even shelled one of our small units "by mistake".

Well, then bombing them "by mistake" would have been sufficient.

6rdB says

Arm_HK_now says

Turkey might veer back onto their former secular course

Good luck with that - veering off the Islamic course seems very unlikely. Last coup was crushed and military purged...

Never say never.

Arm_HK_now says

Never say never.

Can you name a country that has come off Islamic idiocy lately? Seems that this road usually goes in one direction only with acceleration along the way.

6rdB says

Well, then bombing them "by mistake" would have been sufficient.

Basically, you support engaging our NATO ally ove 30-mile strip of Syrian land. To what end? What will we get from it, except ruined relations with Turkey? A fleeting loyalty of one of the dozen of Kurdish factions? These guys are not angels: did you know that they were instrumental in Assad's and Russian takeover of Aleppo? They pretty much cut the last supply line to the city and precipitated it's fall.

Turkey was going to export Kurds as pets, but they kept occupying zones in people's back yards and wouldn't move.

6rdB says

Arm_HK_now says

Never say never.

Can you name a country that has come off Islamic idiocy lately? Seems that this road usually goes in one direction only with acceleration along the way.

Lately? Egypt: their slide to Islamic idiocy has been arrested by el-Sisi's coup. Another example would be Turkey itself: they went from full-on Islamic idiocy to a solidly secular state, to a mild version of Islamic idiocy in a relatively short (by historic perspective) time.

Then there are countries which manage to be Islamic but not fully Islamic-idiotic. Malaysia comes to mind as an example.

Agreed on Egypt, but Turkey de-islamuzation is ancient history. There are a few Islamic majority countries who are not crazy...yet such as Malaysia and Albania. However, most examples do go to more idiocy

I am suggesting not giving in to an Islamic nutjob and starting our withdrawals with troops in country which is directly responsible for 9/11. Mark my words, we will still be in Saudi Barbaria when Trump's 2nd term ends in 2024. So much for withdrawals...

The Syrian Refugees aren't wanted back by Assad as a group, because most are the Sunni Arabs that make the rule of Shi'a/Alawites/Christians Assad Coalition difficult. Russia wants to protect the Christians, Iran keep the Shi'a in power. But, the Assad coalition also doesn't want the Kurds because they don't take shit.

But the Sunni Syrian refugees have to go back. Turkey wants to stuff them back into Syria, at least the ones they have.

The GCC also wants the Sunni Syrians back for reasons of Shi'a-Sunni conflict.

It'll be interesting to see how this goes.

6rdB says

There are a few Islamic majority countries who are not crazy...yet such as Malaysia and Albania.

Indonesia too.

NoCoupForYou says

Russia wants to protect the Christians

Doubt it. They don't give a fuck about such sentiments. Their only reason for incursion is to create pressure on Europe by creating hordes of refugees via indiscriminate bombing. The endgame is to exchange them stopping the flow of refugees for recongition of their "zone of influence" in Eeastern Europe. It seems to be working: Macron is already openly giving Putin a sloppy blowjob with Merkel waiting for her turn.

Arm_HK_now says

Doubt it. They don't give a fuck about such sentiments.

... for domestic/international propaganda at least. Fish Lips is all about that on Twitter.

Some people want the United States to protect the 7,000 mile away Border of Syria, presided over by Bashar al-Assad, our enemy. At the same time, Syria and whoever they chose to help, wants naturally to protect the Kurds....— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 14, 2019

....I would much rather focus on our Southern Border which abuts and is part of the United States of America. And by the way, numbers are way down and the WALL is being built!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 14, 2019