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A degree from an elite college is not an absolute necessity in life or an absolute guarantee of success.
That said, just by going to an elite school does not make or break a career.
Trayvon got a degree from Florida memorial. See how that's working for him?
I’m really not sure what a degree from an elite university gets you other than a pile of unmanageable debt and a foot in the door at a snooty company you’ll absolutely hate working for. It’s waaaaaaaay overvalued and should be thought of as a babysitting service for rich kids until they’re old enough to accept a sinecure job at their dad’s firm.
Still, if I'm choosing between an elite university with a pile of debt verses a second-tier university with a similar pile of debt, I'll take the elite university. If you're only going to college as a babysitting period before your sinecure job at the family firm, then it's perfectly fine to major in a worthless field of study. The less fortunate, however, should only take on that mountain of debt if they are learning useful job skills. In that case, you have useful job skills AND a foot in the door for your first job.
The less fortunate, however, should only take on that mountain of debt if they are learning useful job skills.
a second or third tier degree works just as well in the long run
Harvard’s financial aid programs pay 100 percent of tuition, fees, room, and board for students from families earning less than $65,000 a year. Families with incomes from $65,000 to $150,000 pay between zero and 10 percent of their income. This means that, for 90 percent of families earning less than $150,000, a Harvard education is competitive with or less expensive than a public university in a student’s home state.https://nonprofitquarterly.org/harvard-initiative-to-attract-low-income-students-includes-free-tuition/
When she arrived here and took the three tests for her US medical license, she scored in the top 5% of those medical school graduates taking the test. She was right up there with graduates of Harvard, Yale, and Stanford Medical Schools. She got accepted to the very competitive Kaiser San Francisco residency program.
Harvard education is competitive with or less expensive than a public university in a student’s home state.
despite the "Don't Be Evil" Claims
But that's the point right there, there's an objective path of examination scores which leads to a top residency. The folks at Harvard Med are pass/fail (no honors) and have little incentive to push themselves, once they gain admissions to the school.
There is NO admissions policy at any institution at any level of selectivity that does not result in a minimum of ten percent clinkers
SunnyvaleCA saysHarvard education is competitive with or less expensive than a public university in a student’s home state.
I don't know about the rest of the USA but at least for Massachusetts, anyone with the numbers to get accepted to Harvard, will have a full scholarship of any one of the public colleges in the state. Now, is that 'lower tier' education worth it? Well, if it means graduating with no debt and then, pursuing a trade, instead of corporate BS, w/o overhanging debt then why not?
If your "family income" is $65k or less, Harvard is free.
Wake up. Think. Spread the word. Dark times are coming.
is public college going to wave most of the tuition for a family making $100k? I doubt it.
I have an MBA from a top (non-Ivy) school. The MBA program is for networking and lining up a career path. So the higher caliber, well-connected fellow students, profs and the school itself, the better you can do.
willywonka saysHuzzah! Add to that grade inflation, and an Ivy league MBA is a finishing school for the lazy, clueless and not intelligent scions of the upper class. What you get is brand credentialed imposters, fucking up and getting paid substantial sums, and jumping to the next disaster or just retiring with multi-millions.I have an MBA from a top (non-Ivy) school. The MBA program is for networking and lining up a career path. So the higher caliber, well-connected fellow students, profs and the school itself, the better you can do.
What's not clearly stated is that many of these ppl were already junior analyst/consultant for Morgan & Stanley, Bain, BCG, etc, before even applying for B-school. So that's in effect, a clubhouse effect and not one based around education.
If you lived in a peaceful free country with a balanced budget and took out a student loan to go to medical school and then found out when you graduated that your country had turned into a bankrupt warmongering police state, would you work to pay back the debt and taxes?That depends on the individual. Do you agree to do what you promised to do? And is a political view a rationale for not paying for other reasons?
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That depends on the individual. Do you agree to do what you promised to do? And is a political view a rationale for not paying for other reasons?
The elites have turned everyone into criminals, liars, hypocrites, and cowards.
The only good thing about living in a police state is that no one can take the moral high ground on anything.
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Madame President:
Your Sunday newspaper...I have many things to be proud of in you, Pedro, and Luah. All of you have incredible educational achievements. Of equal importance, all of you worked hard and earned your educations in a completely honest manner.
Right now there is a big scandal in this country about wealthy parents who paid large bribes to get their children into elite colleges like Stanford, Harvard, Yale, University of Southern California, UCLA, etc. The largest bribe was a stunning $6.2 million paid by the owner of a Chinese pharmaceutical company to get his daughter into Stanford. There is a long list including one actress who paid a $500,000 bribe to get two of her daughters into elite schools. One person who paid a $15,000 bribe already got 14 days in jail. Many other still face sentencing. If they had been honest, they could have made large contributions to these colleges. It would have helped their kids to get in honestly.
There is some question about the value of getting a degree from elite colleges. On one hand let us look at the educational institutions of our last few presidents as follows:
President Bush I BA Yale
President Bill Clinton: Yale Law School (Hillary Clinton also graduated from Yale Law School)
President Bush II: BA Yale and MBA Harvard
President Obama: Harvard Law School honors graduate (Michelle Obama also graduated from Harvard Law School)
President Trump: Attended Wharton Graduate School of Business
There is another side of this debate questioning the value of these elite schools. Only 23% of the Ivy League college graduates make it into the top 1% of wage earners in the US.
Let us look at the curious case of Elena E. Torello, MD. She graduated from the University of Buenos Aires Medical School. Elena spent most of her life speaking Spanish. Before coming to the US, Elena read English but could not speak it. When she arrived here and took the three tests for her US medical license, she scored in the top 5% of those medical school graduates taking the test. She was right up there with graduates of Harvard, Yale, and Stanford Medical Schools. She got accepted to the very competitive Kaiser San Francisco residency program. She did so well there that she was offered a job at Kaiser San Francisco when she graduated. Getting a job as a doctor at Kaiser is like getting accepted to the US Navy Top Gun fighter pilot's school. (Only 1% of the fighter pilots are selected.) Getting hired is not the last obstacle to having a career at Kaiser. After a probationary period, your fellow doctors must vote you in as a shareholder. When Elena started her career at Kaiser, her first office had previously been occupied by a Stanford Medical School graduate who had failed to be voted in.
A degree from an elite college is not an absolute necessity in life or an absolute guarantee of success.
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