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Should we be doing more to expose paternity fraud?


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2019 Mar 2, 1:43pm   1,075 views  26 comments

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/relationships/fatherhood/11839479/Should-we-be-doing-more-to-expose-paternity-fraud.html

It could be the ultimate fraud. Across Britain, thousands of men are likely to be raising children that they have been tricked into believing are theirs, when they were really fathered by another man. And now one victim of paternity fraud is calling for it to be made a criminal offence after he spent six years bringing up a boy he thought was his son, only to find out that his wife had used the sperm from her ex-boyfriend at an IVF clinic.

The man sued her for the £60,000 he had handed over in child maintenance after they split up, but only gained a small amount of compensation, even though the judge said he had been a victim of “clear deceit and fraud”.

It sounds like an extreme and isolated case. But studies suggest somewhere between two and 10 per cent of men have been fooled into raising another man’s child.

For obvious reasons, paternity fraud – or paternal discrepancy as healthcare professionals refer to it – is hard to track. The best British review was published in the journal Epidemial Community Health ten years ago. Looking at all other good studies, it said the median average was a rate of four per cent. So one father in 25 is labouring under a serious misapprehension. ...

Paternal discrepancy is often discovered by accident – such as through organ donation or medical tests for an illness which has a genetic element. Sometimes a man has tried to father a second child and infertility testing shows that he couldn’t have fathered the first.

Genetic counsellors are the professionals who advise on the results of tests for hereditary conditions, often after samples have been taken from foetuses in the womb as well as from the parents. Consequently they are often the first to know that the father isn’t the father. A study in America found that more than 95 per cent of them would not tell a man that the child wasn’t his. (Around 95 per cent of genetic counsellors are female, and you have to wonder if more men would be informed if more counsellors were male.)

And, of course, it’s not just the father who suffers - the son or daughter can fare even worse if it is suddenly discovered that his or her father is, biologically, a stranger. A few years ago a young woman named Elspeth Chapman stumbled upon her mother’s diary and discovered that she was the product of an illicit affair. “I was devastated. I couldn't believe it. My world began to fall apart after that,” she said. The resulting legal case, widely covered in the press, tore her family apart and ruined her relationship with the man who had brought her up. ...

Many admirable men knowingly bring up other men’s children as their own without telling the child, because to do so would confuse and upset them. But for most men, the idea of doing so unwittingly wouldn’t just be a theft of the love, effort and time that they put into the relationship, but would affect them on a primal level, almost as deeply as if their own children were to be taken from them.

We get the word “cuckold” from the cuckoo which lays its eggs in another bird’s nest; and the cuckold has been an object of scorn and mockery for as long as he has been around. Yet given the apparent scale, and the devastating effect of paternity fraud, surely it’s time to see such a man not as an object of ridicule, to be sniggered at behind his back, but as the victim of a cruel deception.


Many kids are harmed by growing up with a father who is not entirely certain he is the father. Would be better for everyone (except skanky women) to simply know for a fact immediately at birth who is and who is not the biological father of every child.

There should be mandatory paternity testing at birth. To oppose it is to promote deception and uncertainty.

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1   Tenpoundbass   2019 Mar 2, 3:19pm  

Just don't kill the Babies, no more dead Babies.
3   HeadSet   2019 Oct 20, 10:16am  

One trick a lawyer came up with to confound the family courts is to have the cuckolded client simultaneously sue his soon-to-be ex in civil court for tort damages. Then while using the discovery process in that, he got the court admissible paternity test done there. Then took the evidence to family court and boy was that judge pissed for being forced to admit it as evidence and then rule in favor of him.

This gut was lucky. In many states, if you are currently married to the woman who gives birth, you are legally responsible whether the kid is biologically yours or not. A paternity test would not matter.
4   BayArea   2019 Oct 20, 6:51pm  

Standard paternity testing sounds reasonable.

I’m not sure about mandatory however... what would be the argument for that and how would pay for it?

Biology dictates that there is no question who is the mother. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have the same certainty for men, and have it go on record. No questions.
5   clambo   2019 Oct 20, 11:13pm  

Solution to the problem in addition the ideas above: 1. do not get married; then there is no presumption of paternity 2. do not sign a birth certificate.

I know a guy who signed a birth certificate for his girlfriend and paid child support for years and he never knew who the real father was.

I have other suggestions but leave them to your own imagination.
6   Heraclitusstudent   2019 Oct 21, 4:36pm  

clambo says
1. do not get married; then there is no presumption of paternity

And most likely you end up an evolutionary end point. A Darwin Award.
7   clambo   2019 Oct 21, 5:27pm  

The Darwin award is for those who do self-destructing things.

You can avoid marriage and still have a child if you feel the desire to.

Just make certain you are the real father if you sign that birth certificate.

Maybe I will "cheat Darwin" and have a child just as I am really too old to care because I can't spend all of my money on frivolous pursuits.
8   BayArea   2019 Oct 21, 8:04pm  

OccasionalCortex says
BayArea says
what would be the argument for that and how would pay for it?


Argument was already given and DNA testing is cheap these days and only going to get cheaper...esp if there's a volume contract



And who would pay for it? Hospitals/insurance companies will want no part of this. So who will pay?
9   Heraclitusstudent   2019 Oct 21, 10:08pm  

Basic question: If a guy doesn't feel sure, can't he buy a saliva kit and have the paternity test done without his wife even knowing, before signing a birth certificate?
10   BayArea   2019 Oct 21, 10:51pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
Basic question: If a guy doesn't feel sure, can't he buy a saliva kit and have the paternity test done without his wife even knowing, before signing a birth certificate?


How will the wife not know that a dna sample was taken from the baby for a match?
11   Heraclitusstudent   2019 Oct 22, 10:20am  

BayArea says


How will the wife not know that a dna sample was taken from the baby for a match?


If all you have to do is rub a Qtip in the babies cheek, you can easily do it without the mother knowing.
12   Shaman   2019 Oct 22, 10:36am  

If you sign a birth certificate, you have parental rights as well as responsibilities. The knife cuts both ways. If she wants you to be the dad, you can sue for custody.
13   SunnyvaleCA   2019 Oct 22, 11:33am  

HeadSet says
This gut was lucky. In many states, if you are currently married to the woman who gives birth, you are legally responsible whether the kid is biologically yours or not. A paternity test would not matter.
So you have to force a paternity test before birth? Wow! Yet another of men's perils of marriage.
14   BayArea   2019 Oct 22, 6:39pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
BayArea says


How will the wife not know that a dna sample was taken from the baby for a match?


If all you have to do is rub a Qtip in the babies cheek, you can easily do it without the mother knowing.


A secret paternity test without the mother of the baby knowing? You are going off the rails now.

Relying on secret paternity tests isn’t going to get the topic, that Patrick introduced above, very far.
15   HeadSet   2019 Oct 23, 2:18pm  

All of which would have been at least somewhat mitigated if this happened by law, at birth...and was matter of public, legally-established record.

That would also make some wives think a little harder before stepping out on hubby.
16   krc   2019 Oct 23, 8:57pm  

I wouldn't say that feminists are against reforms in all cases, and there are different types of feminists (anti-male vs pro-female, etc...)
Take a look at an article I posted in another thread:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-04/financial-abortion-men-opt-out-parenthood/8049576
Sure - NOW has opposed men's rights, but they are not exactly an intellectually consistent organization by any means.

If there was no baby-mama welfare, there would be many fewer children needing that sort of support generally....
17   CBOEtrader   2019 Oct 24, 7:07am  

clambo says
You can avoid marriage and still have a child if you feel the desire to.


Can even get some cuck to pay for it if you bang drunk soccer mom.

You'd be forgotten in oral history, prolific in genetic history.
18   HeadSet   2019 Oct 24, 3:13pm  

I remember laughing my head off. It was awesome!

Laughing? Were you the guy who went around doing the cuckolding?
19   CBOEtrader   2019 Oct 25, 5:31am  

OccasionalCortex says
People will discover shit like how almost everyone in some small town is descended from one guy who sired 80 babies with half the women in town at one point.


Everyone thought Joe was a loser, always lifting weights and pumping gas at his full service job w his shirt half unbuttoned...
21   richwicks   2024 Feb 20, 5:38pm  

Judge for yourself:

22   UkraineIsTotallyFucked   2024 Mar 18, 6:55pm  




Then again. This is TikShit. She's probably single and doing it for the clicks.


23   UkraineIsTotallyFucked   2024 Mar 19, 12:47am  

Patrick says






Getting a shot up her vag of black seed is now 'African American DNA that can skip generations'.
24   AmericanKulak   2024 Mar 19, 12:51am  

The truck stop one is from a joke site.

But PF was 4% when they tested a bunch of UK MIDDLE Class people (which means white collar professionals there) for a variety of genetic things.

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