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100% guarantee: if you can stick to the point and not attack the person then that comment will be very welcome and always visible.

The source for the Khashoggi was murdered story is this guy, Saffuri.

https://web.archive.org/web/20070911022431/http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_2004_March_1/ai_113363777

Saffuri is a "Palestinian Refugee" He was buddies with Abdurahman Alamoudi who is currently serving 23 years in prison for financing the assassination of a Saudi Prince with Islamic Radicals. Alamoudi was Saffuri's former employer at the American Muslim Council.

Saffuri is a Muslim Brotherhood sympathizer, as was Alamoudi, and Khashoggi was also a member dating all the way back to the 70s.

The Taliban are also "Reformers". And just like you can have the US as a Representative Democracy where personal freedoms and mob impulses are protected and restrained by a Constitution, the Muslim Brotherhood is fine with elected governments, so long as they are strictly limited by Sharia Law, which must be supreme. Iran has democratic elements but has a higher religious council and mandates Shar'ia law over any legislature.

Also, one of the two journalists involved in breaking this hit piece/story is Michael Isikoff whose name should ring some bells in Democratic Party circles, who once wrote a book with David Corn blasting Bush and the Iraq War. He's be on Democracy Now!

Finally, Isikoff wrote the Yahoo! News article that the FBI used to justify getting a FISA on Carter Page in Summer 2016.

Anybody think Isikoff is Trump Friendly?

LeonDurham says

Is it possible to talk about Trump's flaws without referencing Obama?

I'll compare and contrast the two to my heart's content, thanks. Despite what you think, making comparisons and contrasts isn't automatically whataboutery.

Uncovering more fun stuff.

Guess who Jamal Khashoggi's Uncle is?

Adnan Khashoggi, world famous Arms Dealer worth billions. Songs have been written about his massive yacht.www.youtube.com/embed/85dYshiw55Q

Read more about the lifestyle of this incredibly Wealthy Arms Dealer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Khashoggi

The Khashoggis are also related by marriage to Hussein bin Talal.

Aphroman says

Right. However, the claim is that Trump is different. Constantly comparing him to Obama et al, and claiming that he’s only doing what Hillary/Obama does, is arguing contrary to your point: that Trump is different

When somebody complains that USMCA/NAFTA is not much, it's perfectly legit to point out that the previous President:

1. Campaigned in front of the AFL-CIO and in other Forums on immediately renegotiating NAFTA
2. Did nothing for his entire 8 years,
2b Whcih has nothing to do with Republicans, since the President has the power to (re-)negotiate any Treaty. The Senate's only role is to vote them up or down after they've been negotiated.

Bin Talal paid off Harvard Law to get legend ObamFuck accepted.

Patrick says

My greatest disappointment with Trump is that he does not call out the Saudis for their lack of democracy, lack of freedom of speech, lack of freedom of religion, etc etc.

Patrick:

You are so naive. Saudi Arabia uses Israeli technology. Saudi Arabia is a Zionist state. What do Zionist states care about democracy, or freedom of speech, or freedom of religion?

I warned you, Patrick, to see this all in a Zionist setting. Donald Trump bully's everyone. When have you seen him bully Israel? Won't happen. Read this and weep for your nation and our involvement in the middle east, Patrick:

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/09/21/574734/spyware-saudi-arabia-uae-israel

You really need to take the blinders off, Patrick.

Aphroman says

So why is Trump not protecting our Sovereignty?

The FDA stands with Real Americans in descheduling CBD, rightfully so, our Veterans and sick children need their Plant based medicine. Yet Trumps DEA is siding with foreigners and treaties while leaving our Veterans and kids to suffer unnecessarily.

Care to address my point, or just stick to the usual script of assigning a few phony strawmen?

Aphroman, I'm talking about renegotiating NAFTA, something Obama promised multiple times to do, but only Trump actually promised and executed.

You're bringing up drug regulation and enforcement, an entirely separate issue from a continental free trade agreement, so I'm both amused and confused that you're accusing me of "sticking to the script of assigning a few phony strawman" since it's not the topic under discussion.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

How about we start with Khashoggi with OBL?

OMG a journalist working on a story knew the guy he was doing the story on and even met him. How fucking bizarre is that? No one has ever seen that done before or since. and it happened only 30 short years ago. . ROFLOL. The saudi apologists come up with some really funny shit.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

The source for the Khashoggi was murdered story is this guy, Saffuri.

Of course he wasn't murdered, he's off cavorting a a brothel some where. Saudi's would never murder anyone. The nerve of people publishing such obviously fake news.