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2nd Amendment Discussion


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2018 Feb 17, 11:51am   250,804 views  1,304 comments

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With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.



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1146   Onvacation   2023 Nov 14, 4:56pm  

BeneTiberCato says


If you think you need an AR-15 on your person while shopping, then why are you wearing sandals?

It's better to have an AR and not need one than to need an AR and not have one.

Combat boots wouldn't match the outfit.
BeneTiberCato says


When women like this wear rifles in a shopping mall, it's a fashion statement.

Agreed! They accessorize with an Uzi when they are going out to crowded night clubs.
1147   Onvacation   2023 Nov 14, 4:59pm  

RWSGFY says

I'll stick to my microcompacts for that duty, thankyouverymuch.

With the added advantage of concealment. A rifle on your back is asking to be shot first.
1148   just_passing_through   2023 Nov 14, 5:20pm  

Onvacation says

With the added advantage of concealment. A rifle on your back is asking to be shot first.


I've always felt that way about people who open carry handguns too.
1154   Patrick   2023 Nov 24, 5:35pm  

https://slaynews.com/news/gun-ownership-soars-record-high-biden-pushes-anti-second-amendment-agenda-stunning-number/


As President Joe Biden and the Democrats continue to push their radical anti-Second Amendment agenda, the American people are responding by buying guns in their droves.

A recent NBC News national poll revealed that a majority of respondents, 52%, said there is a gun in their household.

The figure is up from previous years and a record number since the poll question’s inception in 1999.

Back in 2013, 42% of Americans said someone in their household owned a gun.

That number slowly climbed up to 46% in 2019.

“In the last ten years, we’ve grown [10 points] in gun ownership,” remarked Micah Roberts, from a Republican polling firm.

“That’s a very stunning number.”

Roberts co-conducted the poll with members of Democrat polling firm Hart Research.

“By and large, things don’t change that dramatically that quickly when it comes to something as fundamental as whether you own a gun,” he added.

In addition to the NBC poll, a new Harvard poll shows that six in ten voters believe owning a gun is necessary for protecting themselves from criminals.


The main point of owning a gun is mostly to protect yourself from the corporate-government complex which continuously massively violates basic human rights, such as by imposing toxxine mandates.
1156   Patrick   2023 Nov 25, 2:03pm  

https://notthebee.com/article/this-is-why-you-should-carry-a-firearm-if-you-live-in-a-big-city


I'm sick of seeing videos like this come out of our big lefty-run cities.

Video out of Chiraq.

"No, no, no. They have a gun."

"Stay in here. Stay in here."

These are things people who come unprepared to the party say.
Poor lady is just getting beat up and robbed while people watch from the window. What can they do? It's essentially illegal for anyone to carry guns in Chiraq, even though all the criminals have them. They've been told the government will take care of them. All they're gonna do is watch and pray while the perps run the show.

Get yourself prepared. And if you can't do that in "gun-free" cities like Chiraq, my advice is to leave immediately.


1162   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2023 Dec 3, 9:24am  

BeneTiberCato says


Patrick says






As a veteran this disturbs my practical sense of field discipline. If you think you need an AR-15 on your person while shopping, then why are you wearing sandals? If there be shooting, there be broken glass, there be rolling around on the ground in the gravel and grit. You would need more than a sports bra. There is something very weird about Israel, some kind of massive delusion field. When women like this wear rifles in a shopping mall, it's a fashion statement.



don’t overthink it. they are not an airport assault unit. look at hamas, poor fools wearing sandals and sweatpants and blowing up Israeli tanks just fine.

since you veteran, question for you, maybe you know. what’s that hanging on the mag clip of the girl in sandals? i don’t know about guns to tell what that is. genuine question.
1164   Patrick   2023 Dec 7, 3:08pm  

Ted Nugent on fire:

1169   RWSGFY   2023 Dec 12, 8:44am  

S. President Joe Biden's son Hunter asked a federal judge to dismiss criminal gun charges against him because the law is unconstitutional and government lawyers had earlier agreed not to prosecute him, his legal team said in Monday court filings.

The law used to charge Hunter Biden is likely unconstitutional under the reasoning that the U.S. Supreme Court has said should be applied when assessing limits on firearms, according to a filing in federal court in Wilmington, Delaware...

Hunter Biden's legal team said that the framers of the U.S. Constitution were well aware of problems caused by intoxication but there is no history of preventing substance abusers from acquiring firearms.

"In truth, the statute is indefensible under the Bruen framework," said a filing by Hunter Biden's legal team.

The gun charges are separate from criminal tax charges that were filed against Hunter Biden on Thursday in federal court in California, accusing him of failing to pay $1.4 million in taxes while living a lavish lifestyle. Hunter Biden's lawyer said he repaid the taxes in full...
1171   Patrick   2023 Dec 15, 4:01pm  

https://selfreliancecentral.com/2023/12/12/can-you-guess-which-demographic-group-is-now-taking-advantage-of-the-second-amendment/


Can you guess which demographic group is now taking advantage of the Second Amendment?

After the Oct. 7 Hamas attack on Israel, many Jews around the world are choosing to arm themselves for self-defense, according to a panel of Jewish professionals.

“Jews tend not to own guns, and that’s very unfortunate, because if you look at our history, we could’ve used one or two throughout that time,” Karol Markowicz, a columnist for the New York Post and Fox News, said at the Jewish Gun Ownership and Self-Defense event at The Heritage Foundation on Thursday. (The Daily Signal is Heritage’s news and commentary outlet.)

Any Jew in America who doesn't procure firearms and get trained in their use is making the same mistake millions of Jews made in 1930's Germany.

NEVER AGAIN is NOW! Be prepared this time. https://t.co/iPNSD0IytI

— James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) December 9, 2023
The Oct. 7 attack is what convinced Markowicz, who is Jewish, to become a gun owner and get both a handgun and an AR-15. She said she believes the terrorist attack has created a shift in the Jewish community and now more people are inclined to arm themselves.

“When I went shooting on Oct. 10, [there were] tons of Jews at the shooting range. [A] girl walks out with a Chanel bag and a big Jewish star, and we give each other kind of a nod,” Markowicz said.

“I don’t understand how one can look at Jewish history and think that leaving Jewish security unto others is a winning strategy,” said syndicated columnist and Newsweek senior editor Josh Hammer at the self-defense event.
1172   Patrick   2023 Dec 21, 11:22am  

https://notthebee.com/article/welcome-to-new-york-city-where-criminals-are-now-pistol-whipping-5-year-old-girls-during-midnight-break-ins


Number 1:
Have a gun that you regularly train with.

Owning a gun is not enough. Have you ever had to pull the trigger on someone in the heat of an adrenaline rush, particularly when you are groggy in the dead of night?

99% of you have not.

Get a gun and train with it. Put a few hundred rounds through it (at least) before you decide to use it for defense. Get a literal feel for the blaster. Know the trigger break point and what the recoil is like.

In this author's opinion, the "just buy a shotgun" mentality is dumb (Sorry, Biden!). Shotguns are big, unwieldy, and blast the heck out of a large radius that might involve family members. You also have limited shots.

Pistols are an easy entry point and rapid-access safes are affordable.

But if you want my opinion, have a pistol carbine or an AR pistol - preferably one chambered in a round like BLK 300 that allow for full powder burn with shorter barrels. If 4 baddies with pistols show up, you can outgun them with a rifle. You cannot do so with a pistol unless you sleep with multiple mags in your tighty whities and you're named John Wick. ...

Number 2:
Fortify your house, particularly your doors.

That deadbolt? Yeah, a 200-pound man can kick through it in 1-3 kicks most times.

Oh, you have a little chain that you think will protect you? Anyone could bust that in a second.

You need products that secure the door beyond a simple deadbolt. There are many products, but here's one that I use, complete with the cheesy infomercial music that makes America great.

(Alarms are great too but a determined bad guy can kill you before the cops come, just FYI.)

Number 3:
Have a plan.

This applies especially for those moments when a husband might be away, because bad guys are cowards and they'd rather pistol whip moms and their kindergarteners instead of take on a full-grown dude.

Do your kids know how to respond if they hear someone breaking in? Is there a place they can go to hide if they hear yelling or gunshots? We often practice fire drills with our kids, but in our world today, break-in and active shooter training should be part of our families' arsenal.

Does your wife know her way around a firearm? Could she use it if she had to? If not, would she use bear spray or another deterrent? Does she practice the same security routine as you at night to ensure the house is locked down?

All your range training means nothing if the bad guys wait until you're gone and then hit your home, like these perps did.

Don't be another statistic.

And if you live in a place like NYC and want to stay there, maybe vote the losers out of office who want to disarm you while letting criminals roam the streets.
1173   Onvacation   2023 Dec 21, 12:38pm  

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

what’s that hanging on the mag clip of the girl in sandals?

Another magazine. Soldiers often tape two together so when one runs out they just have to drop and flip to have a full mag.
1174   Onvacation   2023 Dec 21, 12:40pm  

Sometimes 3 mags.

1176   Onvacation   2023 Dec 21, 2:08pm  

Patrick says





Some women are trying to.


1177   Onvacation   2023 Dec 21, 2:11pm  

Accessorizing with an AR adds to a woman's beauty.


1181   RWSGFY   2023 Dec 26, 10:54am  

Patrick says






BUT HE DIDN'T SHOOT HIS EYE OUT!!!

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