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2nd Amendment Discussion


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2018 Feb 17, 11:51am   250,185 views  1,304 comments

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With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.



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1052   NuttBoxer   2023 Aug 17, 9:12am  

Picked up my Robinson Armament XCR the other day. I am now prepared to defend my home, AND my country.
1054   Patrick   2023 Aug 25, 10:42am  

The left is quite willing to fabricate evidence in their fight against 2A:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arming_America


Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture is a discredited 2000 book by historian Michael A. Bellesiles about American gun culture, an expansion of a 1996 article he published in the Journal of American History. Bellesiles, then a professor at Emory University, used fabricated research to argue that during the early period of US history, guns were uncommon during peacetime and that a culture of gun ownership did not arise until the mid-nineteenth century.

Although the book was awarded the prestigious Bancroft Prize in 2001, it later became the first work for which the prize was rescinded, following a decision of Columbia University's Board of Trustees that Bellesiles had "violated basic norms of scholarship and the high standards expected of Bancroft Prize winners."[1]
1058   Patrick   2023 Aug 30, 9:46pm  




Think I've posted that one before.
1061   stereotomy   2023 Sep 11, 7:55pm  

Rifles/shotguns, a reload press, and enough reloading supplies should do it for the long run, at least through the 2024 "election."
1078   AmericanKulak   2023 Oct 9, 12:33pm  

Yeah, the Israeli Government is now rethinking the Civilian possession of firearms. It was possible with restrictions, looks like they're going to lighten the burden.
1079   Eric Holder   2023 Oct 9, 12:58pm  

Where were all these hot chicks with M-16s slung from their shoulder walking down the streets and sitting in cafes we're so used to see on pictures from Israel?
1081   Patrick   2023 Oct 10, 1:49pm  

Eric Holder says


Where were all these hot chicks with M-16s slung from their shoulder walking down the streets and sitting in cafes we're so used to see on pictures from Israel?


I was there decades ago, and there were indeed guns everywhere.

But it seems that since then the general populace has been disarmed. That's frankly insane in a place like Israel. Why would the population agree to that? Are they all libtarded to death? I don't like to use the term libtard, but it seems perfectly appropriate here.
1083   Patrick   2023 Oct 12, 10:48am  

https://jpfo.org/alerts2023/alert20231012.htm


MAKE IT EASIER TO ARM AMERICANS NOW.
"Standing with Israel" Is Not Enough Mr. President!

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership says, don't repeat Israel's error and wait for an attack. "Death to America" is still a thing. Joe Biden said, "We stand with Israel," and JPFO says that's insufficient. Under wartime duress, Israel is now re-arming its citizens, following years of weakening their right to keep and bear arms. America must learn from this bloody lesson. "If there had been more armed women at that concert, there might be fewer dead," said consultant Beth Terry, Certified Speaking Professional, a staunch friend of JPFO. "Death to America" is and has been on the lips of these treacherous villains for decades. Follow foreign news sources—you'll hear people cheering the attack on Israel, just like they did after the attack on 9-11, as brainwashed college students join in, some in Australia chanting, "Gas the Jews". We, here at home, face a serious risk. Promote marksmanship training nationwide now. Open all government ranges to full-fledged civilian marksmanship, required by law, 10 USC §4309. JPFO tells President Biden, don't get caught with our pants down. Don't just "stand" there, act.

"The right to keep and bear arms is natural and universal. The Israeli people have every right to own and carry firearms to defend themselves and we applaud the Israeli government for retracting its tyranny and encourage it to continue", said James Jones, Projects Director and Sentinel editor at JPFO. Israel once encouraged citizens to own and carry. Gradual infringement cut this natural right to self-defense and arms ownership. Danger is what you get when a government denies civil rights. In light of the recent terrorist attack, Israel has relaxed its gun laws by expediting permits, allowing telephone permit applications and increasing ammo-purchase maximums from 50 rounds to 100; however, they have retained waiting periods and prohibitions on long guns. This is a good first step, but a small one.

America needs to remove any restrictions on peaceful possession of arms— infringements—banned by the Constitution. Officials who act to maintain infringements need to face charges for aggravated infringement—putting innocent lives in danger. Denial of civil rights is a crime, 18 USC §242. Aiding our enemies by disarming us must stop.
1085   AmericanKulak   2023 Oct 12, 2:33pm  

Patrick says

But it seems that since then the general populace has been disarmed. That's frankly insane in a place like Israel. Why would the population agree to that? Are they all libtarded to death? I don't like to use the term libtard, but it seems perfectly appropriate here.

The Wall.

The Wall cut the terror attacks down massively, like 80-90%. Walls work. So I guess they decided to reduce paperwork, logistics, etc. and only do partial armament.

They were armed to the teeth when i was there in the late 80s, during the First Antifada Intifada.
1088   HeadSet   2023 Oct 15, 7:02am  

Who are those folks?
1089   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2023 Oct 15, 7:16am  

HeadSet says

Who are those folks?


guy in red is Thomas Massie, rest are likely his family.

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