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Shut up and fill your tank at a dollar fifty a gallon and be happy

"Shut up and fill your tank at a dollar fifty a gallon and be happy"

That's the point smart ass. It sure as hell wasn't Rick Perry that got gas prices down to a buck fifty.

Who cares. Probably about the same as where you are.

Mrs Wonderful says

Shut up and fill your tank at a dollar fifty a gallon and be happy

People in the oil industry have a stake in higher oil prices. Don't count on cheap gas. Also, we aren't talking about Tillerson. We are talking about an incompetent tool running one of the most important cabinet positions. It might not be recognized as that important, but it is. Personally, I hope that gasoline prices go up, but I'd rather it go up due to taxes than oil company profits.

"Yeah, destroys your narrative, doesn't it??"

wtf are you talking about? What narrative?

Ironman says

Gas is pretty cheap in Texas, how's it where YOU are??

Down here near Houston the cheapest gas can be found for $1.79 with average about $1.85 - and of course you can find more expensive.

YesYNot says

Personally, I hope that gasoline prices go up, but I'd rather it go up due to taxes than oil company profits.

If the price of crude goes up, then the rise in price will be due to increase of the price of the resource not profits. And I DON'T need the prices to increase for any reason.

Ironman says

Just wondering, does energy in this country ONLY come from oil??

You probably mean to ask if energy comes only from oil rather than only comes from oil. But aside from your shoddy grammar, you probably know the answer to that question. The bigger problem is that you don't know why you are asking.

Low Price of Gas has bupkiss to do with any US Politician. It's because the Saudis want to discourage US-Canadian Fracking and deprive Russia of cash so it can't interfere with their goal of putting in a Fundamentalist Muslim Theocracy in Syria.

mmmarvel says

If the price of crude goes up, then the rise in price will be due to increase of the price of the resource not profits. And I DON'T need the prices to increase for any reason.

There are refinery profits and oil exploration drilling rights profits. Oil companies make more money when prices of crude are high. This is not really a debatable fact.

"If the price of crude goes up, then the rise in price will be due to increase of the price of the resource not profits. And I DON'T need the prices to increase for any reason."

That is one of the most ridiculous statements I've seen on pat.net in a while. You think the oil market is perfectly competitive? You know that the word CARTEL is in the acronym OPEC, right? This is about as far from a competitive market as you can get.

Ironman says

Because YOU'RE an idiot.

You are completely devoid of any point now and acting like a 5 year old with bad parents.

Ironman says

Why don't you just call to have Perry put in prison for 30 years for that??

He should not be put in jail. However, he should be ridiculed if any idiot contemplates putting him in charge of Energy. It's also nice for the NYT to remind us that: While campaigning in 2015 for the Republican nomination, Mr. Perry called Mr. Trump a “barking carnival act” and a “cancer on conservatism.” Wind energy has increased across the country. Perry just happened to be there and watch it happen in Texas. How does that qualify him to head a department in charge of all of our nuclear weapons and regulating our nuclear power plants? How does his desire to shut down such an agency qualify him to run it?

YesYNot, what did you think of Hillary's Fracking Fanaticism as Secretary of State?

If the environment vis-a-vis fossil fuels are so important to you, why did you vote for her?

I'm to the left of Hillary on energy and the environment. I do think that global warming is a big issue. However, Trump is far far to the right of her. His stance on global warming and his cabinet picks confirm this. So, from the environmental standpoint, it made sense for me to vote for H.

As far as fracking goes, it was sold as a way to boost natural gas, which has lower CO2eq emissions per btu than other types of heat energy. On the other hand, it was always clear that fracking could increase the methane emissions in the extraction phase, which would increase the CO2eq emissions. Fracking was rushed into practice as many people focused on the benefits and disregarded the potential hazards. By 2016, there was much more evidence showing the increase in CH4 emissions from the US. So, I'm guessing that part of Hillary's change in position was due to new information. But a lot of it I'm sure was due to political expediency. I always thought she ran a weak campaign trying to reframe and adjust her positions instead of just defining and defending her positions.
People liked Trump and Bernie for their appearance of sincerity. Bernie was actually sincere. Trump was just practiced at sales. Hillary came off as a self interested slimebag, which is exactly what I believe Trump to be.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Low Price of Gas has bupkiss to do with any US Politician. It's because the Saudis want to discourage US-Canadian Fracking and deprive Russia of cash so it can't interfere with their goal of putting in a Fundamentalist Muslim Theocracy in Syria

Well almost. As I understand it, certain high level politicians also wish to hurt Russia, chain the Saudis to the petro dollar, and depose Assad. Obama and Hillary worked tirelessly to give weapons and intelligence support to ISIS when they were "freedom fighters" supporting an "Arab spring."
OPEC backing away from the deal once Trump was elected is natural, as their deal to overthrow Assad won't be honored by Trump. So they're backing off production to let prices rise (and make more money for their ailing budget.) These low prices haven't been great for the Saudis either, as they have less money with which to run their shitty country.

The only way to wean the developed world off oil is to have a ready alternative.
All other talk is just more carbon dioxide for the atmosphere.

joeyjojojunior says

That is one of the most ridiculous statements I've seen on pat.net in a while. You think the oil market is perfectly competitive? You know that the word CARTEL is in the acronym OPEC, right? This is about as far from a competitive market as you can get.

Cartel actually refers to any group of independent/individual companies (or entities) that act in a unified manner, typically to ensure a higher price (for drugs, sugar, coffee, oil, etc). There are countries that aren't in the oil cartel which help to keep the cartel from being the dictatorial force setting the price. In oil that includes USA, Russia, Mexico, Canada and others. Fracking has increased our ability to tell OPEC where to shove it. However, like anything else, if the major player (OPEC) drives prices so low that even fracking costs more, then you stop fracking. Once OPEC starts/continues to increase prices, then fracking becomes economically feasible again. One of the reasons that oil is not (and has not been in many years) at $100 a barrel, because at that price the price to produce via fracking kills the OPEC price.

"Cartel actually refers to any group of independent/individual companies (or entities) that act in a unified manner, typically to ensure a higher price (for drugs, sugar, coffee, oil, etc)."

Very good. And any market with a major Cartel pretty much by definition, isn't a free market. So, price increases driven by the Cartel artificially limiting production are NOT from the cost of the resource, but from the profits. It costs the same for Saudi to extract oil whether it sells at $15 or at $100/barrel.

Mrs Wonderful says

Shut up and fill your tank at a dollar fifty a gallon and be happy

Right. That's exactly what PErry would want for his oil friends in Texas. Just like when GWBush was in power, right ?

Rick Perry isn't the brightest bulb on the tree: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/08/rick-perry-is-not-too-smart/

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

Isn't Rick Perry the gay governor who used his staff people to drop him off for anonymous sex with guys from Craigslist ads?

All republicans do this.

The brightest bulb on the tree is usually the first to blow out.
Sounds like you complimented him...

finehoe says

Rick Perry isn't the brightest bulb on the tree:

Time for the libbies to impose a new tax at every peak...

Ironman says

Gas has gone up and down just like the temperatures.... so what else is new??

Why bring dan's girlfriend into the thread???

YesYNot says

rather than only comes from oil.

It doesn't. His vast experience governing Texas does qualify him.
When you rebuild a car the first thing you do is shut it down.
It's pretty obvious Perry recognizes the inherent fatal flaws in the agency, wants to shut it down and rebuild it from the ground up.

YesYNot says

How does his desire to shut down such an agency qualify him to run it?

joeyjojojunior says

Probably about the same as where you are

Jersey is relatively cheap, but you only reap benefit of that 'cheapness' by working close to where you live. Transportation costs go up if you have to take parkway or turnpike everyday and/or take train/bus into city.

If Republicans didn't love gas taxes so much,they would repeal all of them & gas would be $0.25/gal.