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MrWonderful says

An unwitnessed accidental death would be throughly investigated. The body would be held until they felt they had obtained all evidence that it might contain.

I didn't say that!

If you hit the "quote" link in the post above or below the post with the highlighted text you get the wrong person in the "xxx says" field
@Patrick

Tenpoundbass says

I didn't say that

I know, I'm just stating for the sake of future people reading this thread.

While it would be wonderful to find out that she is actually alive, she isn't. She was never the kind of person who shied away from a fight on any level. Even though it has been several days since her death there are a couple of plausible reasons for the delay in announced arrangements. First of all, her family lives quite a distance away in a few different states. That requires extra coordination. Second, as I mentioned before, most unwitnessed accidents require an investigation. Not necessarily because they are suspicious but to insure it was an accidental death. Please remember that her children can search the internet and find this thread. Please be respectful of them.

Thanks

MrWonderful says

If you hit the "quote" link in the post above or below the post with the highlighted text you get the wrong person in the "xxx says" field

You're right, that's a real bug. Thanks for telling me!

turtledove says

31   turtledove   Nov 12, 12:30pm  â†‘ Like (1)   ↓ Dislike   Quote  

I'm not saying "hapless victim." These people are made of much tougher stuff than I am. You know that when THEY are driven to tears in public, it's baaaaad. To me, I guess it feels a little like heckling a guy on his way to the hangman's noose.

She was right, We all should have more compasion.

Tenpoundbass says

turtledove says

31 turtledove Nov 12, 12:30pm ↑ Like (1) ↓ Dislike Quote

I'm not saying "hapless victim." These people are made of much tougher stuff than I am. You know that when THEY are driven to tears in public, it's baaaaad. To me, I guess it feels a little like heckling a guy on his way to the hangman's noose.

She was right, We all should have more compasion.

You notice I love trolling and I've barely peeped a word in this thread. Turtledove was a cool poster on this site and it wa difficult not to like her. Death or otherwise, I'm sad she's gone, and if she's out there and reads this, good for her. It's none of anyone's business why she does what she does.

anonymous says

Are you suggesting that Ellie Mae is not a woman ?

She is a woman. I'll write her to see if she's OK.

I do think women in general avoid unmoderated forums.

rando says

anonymous says

Are you suggesting that Ellie Mae is not a woman ?

She is a woman. I'll write her to see if she's OK.

I do think women in general avoid unmoderated forums.

Especially with all the 4 letter words that are so commonly used.

anonymous says

her medical problems

Chronic migraines can be incapacitating. I had some as a pre-teen, preceded by blindness and flashes of light, then intense pain on one side of my head, vomiting, for several hours--was prostrated until it was over. Fortunately they didn't follow me into adulthood. They could have been a symptom of something far worse perhaps in her case. The autopsy, as much as I hate the thought of one, will tell.

This thread is a perfect amalgam of Patnet. Heartfelt, irreverent, awkward, some conspiracy, and of course unabashed swearing. I hope TD is looking at this from heaven with a half-scolding, definitely smiling, expression, as Patnetter's unite to remember her.

Hello, everyone. I'm Turtle Dove's stepmother and found this site searching for information. I will gladly let everyone know more information as we receive it. We are in contact with S-I-L and hope to have final arrangements in next couple of days. This is a very sad time for us and after reading all the comments here, we know that she had an amazing group of friends. Thank you for all your kind words. Yes, she was a beautiful woman and will sorely be missed. Please be patient, we will have more details soon. Cynthia

http://www.lesneskimortuary.com/

I will miss you Turtledove. Thank you for your wit, intelligence and courage in representing the women on Patnet. Sympathy for her family and their tremendous loss.

Have we been giving Turtledove too much credit?
Anyone on patnet deserves no credit.
They deserve psychiatric care.

Projecting are we?

indigenous says

Projecting are we?

The truth is not always pleasant.

Is that what they are calling it now days?

How did she passed away?? That is what we want to know someone please just tell us.

^She had migraines and was often up late many nights. She fell down the stairs. She was hospitalized, and then she died. That's what we've been told in this thread.
She could have had some undetected trauma (brain bleed or something) or some drug interaction that contributed, but we don't know. We don't really have any right to know any more than what we've been told. Those details are not really of any consequence to anyone here personally other than to satisfy curiosity, so we might as well be respectful, and leave it alone.

TD was one of my favorite regular posters, and it seems that many others shared that opinion.

YesYNot says

TD was one of my favorite regular posters, and it seems that many others shared that opinion.

I know I was busted up pretty good upon hearing of this tragedy.

The funeral service details have been posted in post 180. Are any of the local PatNetters going to pay their respects in person?

I've been sad reading this thread. We love you turtledove. You will be missed courageous lady.

R.I.P!

I'm still stunned by the whole thing. I just met her in person for the first (and last) time in July in SF. Met her kids too. She was great in person, just like online. It's surreal.

YesYNot says

We don't really have any right to know any more than what we've been told.

We already know way more than we would be told in most cases, and we need to be grateful for that. There is already a chance that we have already lost at least one other person, but never noticed except they stopped posting and nobody mentioned it. At least we got some closure here.

zzyzzx is deplorable says

There is already a chance that we have already lost at least one other person,

Rin? Wouldn't surprise me, though, considering the company he hung out with.

P N Dr Lo R says

Rin? Wouldn't surprise me, though, considering the company he hung out with.

What horseshit! There have been numerous folks, before me, who'd f.ucked hoes! And P N Dr Lo R isn't actually original. Even Emmanuel Swedenborg kept telling ppl that he'd spoken to god everyday, as a way of feeling better than those who'd simply f.ucked hoes!

Rin says

Emmanuel Swedenborg

And now, this enlightened dufus will tell us that Swedenborg was a heretic! So typical of a born again loser!

Hoes fuck a lot of people.
People who fuck hoes fuck a lot of people.
AIDS is passed by promiscuous people
Being 'careful' is not bulletproof.
But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your self-inflicted death virus...

Rin says

P N Dr Lo R says

Rin? Wouldn't surprise me, though, considering the company he hung out with.

What horseshit!

Jez, there are some seriously fucked up people here, commenting on an RIP and they turn it into nasty shit all about abusing each other

Patrick says

anonymous says

"Are you suggesting that Ellie Mae is not a woman ?

She is a woman. I'll write her to see if she's OK.

I do think women in general avoid unmoderated forums.

Especially with all the 4 letter words that are so commonly used."

I'm here, am all woman, can hold my own and can swear like a mutherfucker. It is very sad to hear about Turtledove, and (of course) sadder still to read all of the bullshit comments made about the possible causes of her death and to make even a little light of it.. It's a difficult time when a family suffers a loss, and it's a double whammy when someone who was as loyal to Patnet as she is vilified by some of the assholes here. "spousal abuse" - WTF???? "i'm not saying she's alive, but there's some details that don't really feel 100% authentic..." Again - WTF????

I took a vacation from ya'll. I miss some of you, many not-so-much.

Turtledove was well written, spoke her mind and had much more patience than many of you give her credit for. She had a husband, a family, a life IRL. Show some respect, if you can pull it out your ass.

elliemae says

"i'm not saying she's alive, but there's some details that don't really feel 100% authentic..." Again - WTF????

i stand by that - a fall down stairs is the most random fucking thing ever to kill a middle aged adult. and for a shocked husband to take any time whatsoever to email a random fucking loosely connected internet dude is fucking WEIRD.

landtof says

elliemae says

"i'm not saying she's alive, but there's some details that don't really feel 100% authentic..." Again - WTF????

i stand by that - a fall down stairs is the most random fucking thing ever to kill a middle aged adult. and for a shocked husband to take any time whatsoever to email a random fucking loosely connected internet dude is fucking WEIRD.

1. Turtle dove was an online friend
2. I was discussing a real life family issue with her that her husband is eminently qualified to address.

I would say that I was slightly surprised to hear from him, but mostly appreciative. Maybe he just has patients to treat/procedures to do and has to hold it together for the sake of his family at home and work.

If the investigation brings up any signs of foul play, I'm sure it will make the news.

elliemae says

I'm here

Glad to hear?

Turtledove obviously cared about the imaginary friends here at Patnet. One might argue that her husband honored her by letting us know.

I'm actually kicking around driving 500 miles to attend the service. Not sure I can take time off work, I guess I'll let ya'll know.

@elliemae did you go?

If not, any idea if we can get the death certificate? I still don't quite believe it. Turtledove was quite healthy and happy from what I could tell in July.

The memorial celebration is scheduled for December 9, 2016 at 3:30 pm at the Lesneski Mortuary, 640 South Camino Real, San Clemente, CA for anyone inquiring the status. If anything changes, I'll leave a message here. Cynthia

No - I didn't go. I might be able to make it to the memorial. Will keep you posted.

Something funny happened today. I was driving at lunchtime and flipped on AM960 (Bloomberg Radio) at 12:51 and they were just starting to talk about turtledoves (the bird), and how they were in short supply compared to partridges (something to do with Christmas, I suppose).

From wikipedia:

Perhaps because of Biblical references (especially the well-known verse from the Song of Songs), its mournful voice, and the fact that it forms strong pair bonds, European turtle doves have become emblems of devoted love. In the New Testament, two turtle doves are mentioned as the customary offering during the Presentation of Jesus at the Temple.[15] In Renaissance Europe, the European turtle dove was envisaged as the devoted partner of the Phoenix. Robert Chester's poem Love's Martyr is a sustained exploration of this symbolism. It was published along with other poems on the subject, including William Shakespeare's poem "The Phoenix and the Turtle" (where "turtle" refers to the turtle dove).