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curious2 says

The [Bosnian] Muslim SS are only...examples.

It's not like Bosnia is a huge, populous country either. [...] is a relatively huge chunk of the military age male population for that region.

Thanks, that got me looking for percentages and precise numbers that I can link to. "Approximately 100,000 Muslim Europeans would be recruited and would fight.for Nazi Germany during the course of the war.
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More than ninety-five percent of [Bosnian] Muslims joined the Ustashi and participated very actively in the massacre of the Serbs." I am finding a range of estimates into hundreds of thousands of Muslims volunteering and/or fighting for Nazi Germany, but also some definitional issues, for example: volunteered to fight vs actually recruited and fought, and total number during the war vs maximum strength at any specific time. There are also geographic issues, as the borders of Bosnia (now Bosnia-Herzogovina) changed. I remember seeing 55,000 but can't find a source now, so I'm redacting that number until I can confirm it.

There is also the role of Turkey, ostensibly secular but mostly Muslim. Turkey didn't fight for the Nazis, but supported the Nazis in other ways. Turkey had signed a defense treaty with France but then decided to remain "neutral", and sold to the Nazis essential materiel that the Nazis needed when no one else in the world would sell to them.

MMR says

without taking a long hard look at the failed policies that led to a most non-presidential personality gaining a foothold.

I have a hard time buying that argument, because Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Jack Kemp, Gary Johnson and a few other decent men have presented a tear-it-down philosophy to right-wing voters, yet they went nowhere.

For some reason, Trump presented the destroy-the-village-to-save-it philosophy, but in an openly disrespectful, infantile and racist wrapping. I don't see how anyone but his supporters are responsible for this.

The only thing Obama did to make Trump possible was being president while black. Trump is the price we're paying for having a two-term black president.

I think Trump is the same con the Republicans have been pulling for decades on non-rich whites. I fell genuine pity and empathy for his supporters, whatever jokes I make about them: their psychological condition is, at its core, no laughing matter.

Islam vs. Christianity is more about oil than anything else.

although if it wasn't for oil, the people in that region would still be riding camels to work every day so i think it's a good trade-off for both sides.

HydroCabron says

I have a hard time buying that argument, because Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Jack Kemp, Gary Johnson and a few other decent men have presented a tear-it-down philosophy to right-wing voters, yet they went nowhere.

No that argument holds perfectly. Your "decent men" have not made it because they were attacked by the left and the mainstream right, and the left did their best by pulling out old presumably rays cyst newsletters from the last millenium written by someone close to the Paul's and used the racist game - good old identity politics - as usual to discredit them. And the right usually uses the "they're not keeping us safe if they don't want to go to war" hammer in an equally destructive way. And the decent men they are they didn't call the left (and the mainstream right) out on their usual bullshit but went into the defensive politician-speak mode, thus cratering in the polls in the aftermath. And the mainstream media shilling for the establishment then put the final nail in their coffin. Trump is the only candidate that calls the left (and the mainstream right) out and exposes them for the sheisters they are with excellent zero fucks given game, agree and amplify and a brutally honest and refreshing directness previously unheard from politicians. And that resounds with voters from both parties. explaining why he is polling so well. It's really not that hard, the politicians have sold out the middle-class which is now rebelling.