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Chinese resident of a town on the outskirts of Paris are demanding protection from what they believe are racist attacks, following the death of a man killed by muggers.

Members of the Chinese community in Aubervilliers, north-east of Paris, held a memorial Sunday for Zhang Chaolin, a 49-year-old textile designer who died on Friday after five days in a coma.

At least 500 people gathered outside the council offices to pay tribute to Zhang and protest at a recent wave of violence they say is being directed at them.

Originally from Wenzhou city, Zhejiang province, the father of two had been attacked by three men while walking with a friend, according to police.

Zhang was reportedly attacked by three young people who kicked him in the sternum, causing him to fall and strike his head on the pavement. He lost consciousness and his bag was stolen.

Another Chinese man, whose surname is Zheng, was also injured.

Aubervilliers mayor Meriem Derkaoui, condemned the killing as a murder "with a racist targeting".

Anybody know who makes up a huge portion of Aubervilliers population? Hint: Not Jean-Claude de Plisson avec Fromage

The mayor is a Communist, to boot.

MMR says

Obviously, it is antithetical to the mission of spreading Islam, which you seem to have difficulty grasping.

Exactly. The Saudis didn't offer much for the Refugees other than they'd foot the bill to build and staff mosques with Wahabi-Salafi Radical Clerics.

They only allow a few Syrians to migrate as guest worker-slaves. Reason?

But amid a history of competition between the Gulf states and Iranian-allied nations, there is a deep fear that allowing an influx of Syrian refugees could also let in Syrians loyal to Bashar al-Assad.

There also exists a more general concern about demographic change, leaving the states opposed to the idea of welcoming refugees. In the UAE, foreign nationals already outnumber citizens by more than five to one.

Indiana Jones says

Air France stewardesses were last week told to wear headscarves upon arrival in Tehran when the airline resumes services there later this month. The order sparked outrage among female cabin crew members, some of whom say they will refuse to fly to the Iranian capital.

Thank you. Why should we respect their dress code in their country, when they dont respect our dress code in our country?

thunderlips11 says

Exactly. The Saudis didn't offer much for the Refugees other than they'd foot the bill to build and staff mosques with Wahabi-Salafi Radical Clerics.

They only allow a few Syrians to migrate as guest worker-slaves. Reason?

The Saudis dont care for human lives, Muslim or infidels. They only care about spreading their fucking religion.

thunderlips11 says

The Gulf States don't want to be swamped under a wave of Vile Heretics, and have no way to vet them.

Err, the locals are already vastly outnumbered by foreigners and a great many of them are not Sunni - Shias, Christians, Hindhus, Sikhs, Buddhists..., so...

Rashomon says

Err, the locals are already vastly outnumbered by foreigners and a great many of them are not Sunni - Shias, Christians, Hindhus, Sikhs, Buddhists..., so...

That could be the reason why the Gulf States are the most liberal and civilized, as compared to other Islamic states.

Allah the devil says

That could be the reason why the Gulf States are the most liberal and civilized, as compared to other Islamic states.

I think you need to think that through again. Gulf States are not particularly liberal for starters. What about countries like Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, Morocco, Tangiers, Jordan, Maldives....?

Rashomon says

Allah the devil says

That could be the reason why the Gulf States are the most liberal and civilized, as compared to other Islamic states.

I think you need to think that through again. Gulf States are not particularly liberal for starters. What about countries like Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, Morocco, Tangiers, Jordan, Maldives....?

I dont know enough about the other countries. I should say most liberal as compared to the rest of the Mid East.

Allah the devil says

I dont know enough about the other countries. I should say most liberal as compared to the rest of the Mid East.

Well, there aren't that many other countries, but Lebanon, Egypt and Turkey are all considered more liberal.

Rashomon says

Allah the devil says

I dont know enough about the other countries. I should say most liberal as compared to the rest of the Mid East.

Well, there aren't that many other countries, but Lebanon, Egypt and Turkey are all considered more liberal.

Egypt? I would love to visit the pyramids, but terrorism against foreigners turns me off.
I visited Dubai in January, and loved the place. I felt safe, welcomed and got to drink beer.

Allah the devil says

Egypt? I would love to visit the pyramids, but terrorism against foreigners turns me off.

I visited Dubai in January, and loved the place. I felt safe, welcomed and got to drink beer.

Egypt is definitely more liberal than the Gulf states. Dubai is actually not liberal, it just has a certain approach in order to develop tourism. Outside of that, it is conservative. Egypt has a very strong secular history. You can't say that for the Gulf states.

Oh, and the pyramids are not that interesting really, impressive but not interesting - some far better sights to see in that country.

Rashomon says

Egypt has a very strong secular history

True, when secular dictators, backed by the US were running the show. Leave it up to Egyptians in a democratic setting to vote for the muslim brotherhood.

By that definition, Iraq also has a very strong secular history, as does Libya and Syria.

Rashomon says

Dubai is actually not liberal,

correct. Dubai is not liberal, unless you are related to the royal family.

MMR says

Rashomon says

Dubai is actually not liberal,

correct. Dubai is not liberal, unless you are related to the royal family.

I would disagree with this part. How can An Islamic country not be liberal when it does not practice the shariah laws? Or am I somehow wrong?

MMR says

limit the refugees to that quota then. Rest get shipped to wealthy arab countries who aren't doing their fair share.

Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey?

I love the simple policy: "we kick em out. We ship em over to somebody else. They pay for the wall." Imagine another sovereign country driving a ship into our waters, and offloading 10,000 people on shore. I know your attitude is "f them, it's all about us." ... but these hypothetical 10,000 lives, what do you think happens? What about the relations between the two nations?

What the nations able to take refugees are doing is saving very real human lives.

You going to tell the Bosnian muslims that immigrated in the 90s to go back as well?

MMR says

Obviously, it is antithetical to the mission of spreading Islam, which you seem to have difficulty grasping.

MMR says

Muslims can just sneak through Mexico, haven't you heard?

MMR says

No just muslims....other refugees don't seem to have as much of a problem with assimilation.

Ok, so you are just anti-Muslim, period.

MMR says

He'll read that when hell freezes over because it would shoot holes in his theories and mess up his narrative, which is MSM driven.

The Mongols above are an awesome example of how effective religious tolerance is in empire building.

Immigration and invasion are not equivocal but you seem to be suggesting they are. The Normans, Vikings, and Mongols didn't immigrate. They came to conquer. The fact that MMR and Thunderlips11 spin the narrative toward this is pretty telling. If you are starting from the premise that Muslim immigrants are coming to conquer America, well, no wonder you think Trump has an answer.

"San Bernardino! Boston Marathon! This just cannot continue! They ARE out to conquer us!" The same argument the gun lobby uses about mass shootings applies: these do not account for substantive danger to our population when compared with other problems we face, including native-born-American on native-born-American crime which is of course, of a degree higher as to render the Muslim terrorist threat almost nothing.

Border and immigration enforcement, sure. A magic solution to radical terror and the economy: so wrong it's sad! Illegal immigration is way way down on the list of serious problems for the nation. Trump's nativism has grossly inflated its importance because it is an easy manipulator.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/19/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

If the US nativism backlash against Germans had won out, Trump might not even be around in America today!

As firmly as I can say it, nationalism is what the weak and scared run toward in times of war and economic hardship. It doesn't solve anything and it never lasts.

thunderlips11 says

they'd foot the bill to build and staff mosques with Wahabi-Salafi Radical Clerics.

Source?

When in France, dress like the Arabs, obviously ...

The French should have the power to make and enforce their own laws, and expel anyone who doesn't comply with them.
There is NO human right to immigrate.
Fuck a bunch of that!

thunderlips11 says

It's also because many of the refugees are the non-Sunni plurality: Christians, but also Druze, Alawites, Shi'a, and other heretics to Sunnis. The Gulf States don't want to be swamped under a wave of Vile Heretics, and have no way to vet them.

So let's show them the right way to do it and ban all Muslims for the same reason : they don't fit some people's selective vision of what a native born American today should be. That's a great plan.

This is the same issue with pointing out the dress codes in the other Middle Eastern nations as a "see they do it to us!" point. The dress codes themselves are what is against our Western personal freedom beliefs. You don't counter that by banning dress that's out of the norm for your culture when you are concerned about preserving personal freedoms.

ISIS leadership must be licking its lips.

thunderlips11 says

I learned Salafi extremism, by watching you dad, ALRIGHT!?!"

Lol that commercial....I remember seeing it several times in the 80's. I was convinced that the dad was a coke addict. But it looked like a blunt box in retrospect.

I tried time and time again to get a good look at what was in the box and couldn't decide if it was weed or coke.

Quigley says

The French should have the power to make and enforce their own laws, and expel anyone who doesn't comply with them.

There is NO human right to immigrate.

France will enforce its laws. Don't worry. This is why the have overturned the ban as illegal.

There is no human right to immigration, that's true. Many nations depend on it for growth and prosperity though.

Allah the devil says

Islamic country not be liberal when it does not practice the shariah laws?

The countries you said that didn't practice the sharia laws were secular dictatorships (Egypt).

You're the one who said Dubai wasn't liberal. Again its a monarchy, so that might explain the difference between conservative vs liberal. Although I'd say dubai is more liberal than Abu Dhabi and more liberal than places like Jordan or Saudi

Rew says

Many nations depend on it for growth and prosperity though.

which is one reason why France and other european nations miscalculated by allowing muslim immigration willy-nilly and encouraging ghettoization.

Rew says

ISIS leadership must be licking its lips.

Rew says

some people's selective vision of what a native born American

No one said 'ban all muslims' just limit refugees to pre-defined quotas, such as the ones you pointed out, limit ghettoization (like Hamtramck MI and Dearborn) and whatever is going down in Idaho.

Limit immigration above and beyond that to professionals, similar to the standards that they apply to Indian nationals.

Even then, the country is less safe. Nidal Abu Malik at Fort Hood was a physician.

Rew says

You don't counter that by banning dress that's out of the norm for your culture

Yes, you just let somalians into Minneapolis who refuse fares when they see people coming out of airport with liquor from duty-free shops

Rew says

Many nations depend on it for growth and prosperity though.

It's really really hard to see how Freeloading Muslims who occasionally blow people up and contribute nothing in the way of labor, culture, or production to society will contribute to growth and prosperity. More like the opposite; as most people in Europe are beginning to realize.

Rew says

If you are starting from the premise that Muslim immigrants are coming to conquer America, well, no wonder you think Trump has an answer.

Didn't recall EVER saying Trump had an answer. LOL. I've said in the past that he doesn't have any clear policies.

But yeah, even after hundreds of years in India, muslims are often more empathetic to pakistan even when they don't have relatives there and furthermore, no matter what part of India they are in, they are muslims first and not Indians. This is the case since the days of the Mughal empire over 600 years ago.

Yes, the premise is that everywhere muslims go, they are looking to build critical mass. The US is no different. I do think the US has structural advantages that make ghettoization harder, but not impossible, when compared to Europe. Have you ever wondered why do you think so many of them have large families? Or maybe you didn't know that because the MSM talking points you regurgitate don't mention such cultural trends and you hardly even know any muslims.

Among Palestinians, very few have only one or two children. Most have a minimum of 3 but many had 5 or more and others are as high 9-10. Just one experience from my childhood in Gallup, NM. Today, they make up 4% of the population there.

Rew says

nationalism is what the weak and scared run toward in times of war and economic hardship

I don't suffer from any economic hardship and would easily qualify as upper middle class in any market in the US.

Rew says

Muslim immigrants are coming to conquer America

What do you think the muslim premise is in Europe? Again, why can't the refugees go to Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman, Yemen or Saudi Arabia or a combination of all. Outside of Yemen, most have the resources to accomodate refugees.

Given that the majority of gulf states can afford to accommodate the refugees, why do they insist on going to Europe, a foreign land with a foreign culture? Couldn't possibly be the welfare

Really need to cut down on the blind acceptance of MSM

Rew says

Border and immigration enforcement, sure. A magic solution to radical terror and the economy

I didn't recall saying I had a problem with mexicans from mexico; chicanos yes, mexicans from mexico, even if here illegally, not so much. I just pointed that muslims can use the same border to sneak into the US and have done so.

Didn't you read the liberal politifact article I linked? Forgot, it didn't fit the narrative so it just registered as white noise.

Rew says

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/19/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

I agree that it's cool thing for Trump to exploit for Low information voters in red states.

But to reiterate, no one is building a wall and republicans and democrats both, particularly middle to upper middle class voters benefit from them being in the US.

My parents have some mexican employees, presumably legal, but impossible to know definitively. Better than the local yokels, also known as Bricktuckians (Brick, NJ residents) who are often useless as workers.

MMR says

True, when secular dictators, backed by the US were running the show. Leave it up to Egyptians in a democratic setting to vote for the muslim brotherhood.

By that definition, Iraq also has a very strong secular history, as does Libya and Syria.

Yes, they also have far worse records with regards to human rights. And Egypt is still more liberal than the Gulf states, which was the comparison being made.

Allah the devil says

I would disagree with this part. How can An Islamic country not be liberal when it does not practice the shariah laws? Or am I somehow wrong?

I think you need to read up a bit more on the area.

MMR says

You're the one who said Dubai wasn't liberal. Again its a monarchy, so that might explain the difference between conservative vs liberal. Although I'd say dubai is more liberal than Abu Dhabi and more liberal than places like Jordan or Saudi

Dubai is more liberal than Abu Dhabi, but both are still conservative. Jordan is more liberal than either, and of course Saudi Arabia...

MMR says

Among Palestinians, very few have only one or two children. Most have a minimum of 3 but many had 5 or more and others are as high 9-10. Just one experience from my childhood in Gallup, NM. Today, they make up 4% of the population there.

The birth rate has been declining rapidly among the Muslim population around the world for all the usual reasons. They've just been a 'few' decades behind the West.

MMR says

Again, why can't the refugees go to Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman, Yemen or Saudi Arabia or a combination of all. Outside of Yemen, most have the resources to accomodate refugees.

Many are. You're just choosing to ignore that fact.

Rew says

This is the same issue with pointing out the dress codes in the other Middle Eastern nations as a "see they do it to us!" point. The dress codes themselves are what is against our Western personal freedom beliefs. You don't counter that by banning dress that's out of the norm for your culture when you are concerned about preserving personal freedoms.

More like you don't counter oppression with total preemptive appeasement and self-flagellation and welcoming that oppression into your country. This was a local law for a small area, not a countrywide ban, yet everybody is up in arms about it? It's those differences that makes even the culture of the West a relatively diverse one. It would be an Orwellian nightmare to have the same laws and governance imposed on the entire western world. It shows a good amount of hubris on the left dictating others what laws they pass and codifying morality - which ironically used to be a tenet of the right (birth control etc.) but now is pushed far more by the left - and it is also the number reason why the left has become far more dangerous than the right wrt to promoting an oppressive central government of Orwellian dimensions.

Rashomon says

The birth rate has been declining rapidly among the Muslim population around the world

Thank God for that.

Quigley says

Freeloading Muslims who occasionally blow people up

You think there are more freeloading immigrants doing harm in the US versus just freeloading Americans doing harm? Really?

mell says

More like you don't counter oppression with total preemptive appeasement and self-flagellation and welcoming that oppression into your country.

Yes, just the other day I witnessed someone get their hand cutoff for shoplifting at the local grocery store. There was nothing done. People just stood by. We have given these people too much already. Sorry, have to go, can hear the call to prayer echoing out over my town ... /sarcasm

Allah the devil says

The birth rate has been declining rapidly among the Muslim population around the world

3.1 vs 2.7 for Christians. The world is getting much more Muslim every passing second.

http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/

Christians are dying out. It's why we have a cool progressive Pope. He totes gets it.

MMR says

Have you ever wondered why do you think so many of them have large families?

Cause they want to take over the WORLD! Bu-wah-ha-ha-haaaaa. Like the catholics before them, the mormons now, etc. etc. You will find lots of religions with phrases like 'sex is giving glory to god' and having children is the most important thing you can do.

Ever really wonder about those sodomy and birth control laws? If you are trying to grow a religious following homosexuality isn't what you want to foster. I think there are some amazing historical records around Roman cities which passed and then repeal anti-sodomy laws depending on their population problems.

Rew says

MMR says

Have you ever wondered why do you think so many of them have large families?

Cause they want to take over the WORLD!

I tell ya, no culture should be allowed to have more sex than we do.

Rew says

MMR says

Have you ever wondered why do you think so many of them have large families?

Cause they want to take over the WORLD!

That we know. But to do so will require a much higher education level. Once they do reach that level, they will dump their rotten religion. That religion is not fit for civilized people.
The Muslims today, are victims of their own rotten religion.