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Get on the board and put people in their place. Too many people bitch and don't do anything. I'm on a board. It's not fun all the time. You have to be a jerk to people you actually like but have differing opinions. Depends how you handle it.

Overall not a fan of HOA's even though I'm about to be in one in about 30 days. Already attending a meeting. I'll be a dick. Independent but lean libertarian. Get the fuck out of my life.

HOAs are a little version of government, which means, for the most part, some combination of corrupt and incompetent.

As Dan mentioned above, HOAs attract people with too much time on their hands, which means an extra dose of incompetence... either because they are old (retired and therefore out of touch with the 21st century) or because they are younger but unemployed (because they are so useless as to be unemployable).

Larger forms of government have an extra attraction: career politicians.

The version I am familiar with is they contract out to a "property management" firm, and the person who gets money to find flaws in everything suddenly finds flaws in everything, to the point of hallucination / requirements confounding because they may have multiple contracts. The first warning I suggest is to require them to cite the specific contractual line / CC&R or approved guidance that is in breach.

Sorry, no advice to give regarding idle-handed crazy-ladies. They want dick, maybe?

It sucks but if one is in an HOA you have to do politics. People who just want to work and enjoy their property get schlonged by Karens and Kens if they don't participate.

SunnyvaleCA says

HOAs attract people with too much time on their hands, which means an extra dose of incompetence... either because they are old (retired and therefore out of touch with the 21st century) or because they are younger but unemployed (because they are so useless as to be unemployable).

I must be lucky here. My HOA is only about $500 per year but includes lakes, walking trails, clubhouse, a very nice pool, and a large picnic and playground area with shelters. Enough volunteers for the HOA that we have elections not just for officers, but for committee heads as well. When we had an issue with one of the lake berms, two retired Civil Engineers on the Grounds Committee were able to take care of it. Our HOA Treasurer is an actual CPA. The head of the Trails Committee is a builder and a Scout Master who rebuilt the woodland trail bridges over low spots and streams as a merit badge project for the Scouts. Those bridges are very professional looking treated lumber projects. The HOA President is a younger guy with a good paying job and a hot wife. At the last HOA meeting, this guy was well prepared with a PowerPoint presentation that showed all the issues and what needed to be done. He also had to deal with those members who balked at any spending they thought might increase the HOA fees.

WookieMan says

I'm on a board

MolotovCocktail says

WookieMan says

I'm on a board

Why would I dox myself??? I swear you ate paint chips as a kid. But hey, keep posting childish drivel on every thread on this site. You picked up 6 ignores in a little over 2 years. 3 per year Took 12 years for me to get 11. Less than 1 per year. You spam the site daily and I'd say @Patrick is losing potential new users because of it.

Most my ignores are likely also people that don't like my swearing which is understandable. Yours are people annoyed with the constant shit posting of no value. I seriously believe you have mental disorder as I know you post on X. All day every day there and this site and others I'm probably sure you're on. There's medical terms for what you do. You have a mental illness dude and you probably should at least seek out a therapist.

This is why I don't dox myself as you're the type to find my home and do actual harm to me. Sucks because all the other users are chill even when we disagree. You just post shit like the above. What does that add to the site and for other users? Nothing.

HeadSet says

I must be lucky here. My HOA is only about $500 per year but includes lakes, walking trails, clubhouse, a very nice pool, and a large picnic and playground area with shelters. Enough volunteers for the HOA that

Pools and sports courts (we love ours) are great for HOAs to maintain, shifting the liability away from the house owner. Also they often cover roofs and outside walls insurance which lowerd the rates. It's not that different from a voluntarily established commune/small vilage if done right. It can work. Karens are a probmem everywhere, sometimes it gives them something to do and feel useful so they are less of a nuisance if occupied with something unimportant. Just gotta keep that climate change committee at bay

WookieMan says

Why would I dox myself??

With made up bullshit? Easy.

Your credibility on this site is completely shot to hell but you live in this magical imaginary world where you think otherwise.

What have I made up? List 3 with links.

WookieMan says

What have I made up? List 3 with links.

Why? Plenty right here on this thread. Within the last 7 days in particular.

And you'll just deny it anyway.

MolotovCocktail says

Why? Plenty right here on this thread. Within the last 7 days in particular.

And you'll just deny it anyway.

What am I denying? You've proven nothing. You assume what I say is a lie and have no proof. That makes you the liar.

WookieMan says

You've proven nothing.

I see your confusion. YOU provided the proof, but are in denial that you did so. Therefore, you are projecting onto me that I have to provide 'proof' as per your magical reality.

Idaho passed a law that your HOA can't stop you from having chickens if your lot is over a quarter acre.

zzyzzx says

https://www.wptv.com/news/state/florida-lawmaker-floats-ban-on-homeowners-associations-amid-growing-backlash

Florida lawmaker floats ban on homeowners associations amid growing backlash

Realtors are fucking terrified right now, which is why this long overdue reform is finally happening. People simply do not want HOAs, but most builds since the 80s are in HOAs.

It was so bad in FL that HOAs were fining deputy sheriffs and NF Rangers for parking their patrol/work vehicles in their own driveways because their vehicles had "decals and branding" on them.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

zzyzzx says

https://www.wptv.com/news/state/florida-lawmaker-floats-ban-on-homeowners-associations-amid-growing-backlash

Florida lawmaker floats ban on homeowners associations amid growing backlash

Realtors are fucking terrified right now, which is why this long overdue reform is finally happening. People simply do not want HOAs, but most builds since the 80s are in HOAs.

It was so bad in FL that HOAs were fining deputy sheriffs and NF Rangers for parking their patrol/work vehicles in their own driveways because their vehicles had "decals and branding" on them.

I for one don't feel sorry ppl buying into HOAs. Like student loans, nobody put a gun to their heads to sign on the dotted line.

"But...but...everywhere are HOAs if you want to buy a home!" <--- it's like ppl don't fucking read what I wrote or simply cannot accept accountability for their actions. It's still a choice on your part. Everything is a trade off. If you make that choice, you can't bitch about the tyranny of the HOA YOU WILLINGLY SPREAD YOUR BUTTCHEEKS TO. YOU signed on the fucking dotted line.

zzyzzx says

So? I'd tell them to fuck off. They have no legal standing to demand anything from you.

zzyzzx says

https://www.wptv.com/news/state/florida-lawmaker-floats-ban-on-homeowners-associations-amid-growing-backlash

Florida lawmaker floats ban on homeowners associations amid growing backlash

What about HOAs that maintain streets and water/sewage mains, etc? Yes, for SFHs. Or that isn't common in FL?

Look, 90% of the homes built in Florida in the past 20-30 years are HOAs. Counties encouraged them to save on road maintenance and other costs. But now counties are jacking up taxes like SFBA criminals jack people anyway.

I only own my condo but have zippo intentions of buying a home with any kind of HOA.

The pickings are slim as fuck, though, because of public policy encouraging HOAs.

Glad to see the Realwhores putting their weight behind HOA reform. Mow the lawn, fill the pothole, then shut the fuck up unless people are putting out appliances in the front yard (which is against county regs anyway). Bulldoze the clubhouse and fill the community pool too, would be great.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

Look, 90% of the homes built in Florida in the past 20-30 years are HOAs.

So fucking what? Again:

MolotovCocktail says

"But...but...everywhere are HOAs if you want to buy a home!" <--- it's like ppl don't fucking read what I wrote or simply cannot accept accountability for their actions. It's still a choice on your part. Everything is a trade off. If you make that choice, you can't bitch about the tyranny of the HOA YOU WILLINGLY SPREAD YOUR BUTTCHEEKS TO. YOU signed on the fucking dotted line.

MolotovCocktail says

So fucking what? Again:

Again:

I'm happy HOAs are being restricted and the Socialist Karen-Kens are being defanged and hamstrung

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

Again:

I'm happy HOAs are being restricted and the Socialist Karen-Kens are being defanged and hamstrung

Are they? A proposed law is just pandering to voters.

MolotovCocktail says

Are they? A proposed law is just pandering to voters.

A shitload of laws already passed. Addressing everything from conflict of interest/kickbacks to fine limits to mandatory online meeting minutes & mandatory notice of right to pre-fine hearings to restricting the ability of HOAs and NGOs to impose mask requirements. Now more are on the way to further stop KenKarens from pretending they live in an exclusive covenant estate community with properties worth $5M+ apiece and harassing middle class homeowners in modest homes.

https://www.flsenate.gov/Committees/BillSummaries/2024/html/3488#:~:text=The%20bill%20requires%20homeowners'%20associations,application%20on%20a%20mobile%20device.

https://lscarlsonlaw.com/articles/florida-hoa-law-updates-2023-2024-attorney-insights

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

A shitload of laws already passed. Addressing everything from conflict of interest/kickbacks to fine limits to mandatory online meeting minutes & mandatory notice of right to pre-fine hearings to restricting the ability of HOAs and NGOs to impose mask requirements. Now more are on the way to further stop KenKarens from pretending they live in an exclusive covenant estate community with properties worth $5M+ apiece and harassing middle class homeowners in modest homes.

More government bandaids?

Okkkaaay

MolotovCocktail says

More government bandaids?

Okkkaaay

I have no problem with the government restraining local tyrants and maintaining the right of a homeowner to park in his driveway, put out pink lawn flamingos, have a US flag on a flagpole, and not be fined $200 when he drops a hammer on his foot in his own garage and shouts "Fucking Damnit". Or $200 for sticking an air conditioner in a garage window so he can work on projects in the Florida Summer Heat.

DeSantis is leading a liberation operation against HOAs, many of which were set up by builders to showcase their previous projects to prospective buyers.

Ken Karens who are annoyed by pink lawn flamingos, flapping flags, and seeing a neighbor's garage with an A/C unit in the window... are FREE to work harder and longer to afford more acreage for a more isolated house so they don't have to see all that.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

zzyzzx says

https://www.wptv.com/news/state/florida-lawmaker-floats-ban-on-homeowners-associations-amid-growing-backlash

Florida lawmaker floats ban on homeowners associations amid growing backlash

Realtors are fucking terrified right now, which is why this long overdue reform is finally happening. People simply do not want HOAs, but most builds since the 80s are in HOAs.

It was so bad in FL that HOAs were fining deputy sheriffs and NF Rangers for parking their patrol/work vehicles in their own driveways because their vehicles had "decals and branding" on them.

Why would realtors be terrified?

Glock-n-Load says

Why would realtors be terrified?

A shitty HOA makes it harder to sell a home. Been there done that.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

I have no problem with the government restraining local tyrants and maintaining the right of a homeowner to park in his driveway

So you have no problem with the government breaking a contract for you...one that you willingly entered into but you don't want to honor. Got it.

Reminds me of the lack of accountability discussed in this thread: https://patrick.net/post/1381779/2024-07-31-schr-dinger-s-feminism-thread

John: "How much?"
Hooker: "$100 for a sex".
John: "OK, let's do this"
(In the room, he fucks her in the ass)
Hooker: "hey! I never said in the ass!"
John: "Anal sex is sex, look it up"
Hooker: "Bullshit!"
John: "Too bad. Next time you should clarify what it is you are getting yourself into. ESPECIALLY since you engage in magical thinking...like a Housing Expert on PatNet."

Hooker runs outside, finds a cop and screams "this...this..tyrant RAPED ME"

Contracts are the foundation of modern commercial activities. But hey..wtf. don't like it anymore, get the government to break them for you. Why not?

Sane society:

Cop: "Bitch, anal sex is sex, and you agreed to have sex. Now move along before I arrest you."

Our society:

Cop: "You're right! Fuck the contract Down with tryants!"

WookieMan says

A shitty HOA makes it harder to sell a home. Been there done that.

Sure you have.

MolotovCocktail says

WookieMan says

A shitty HOA makes it harder to sell a home. Been there done that.

Sure you have.

Sold 1,000 at least. How many have you?....

WookieMan says

Sold 1,000 at least. How

Bullshit.

Prove it.

HOAs should be outlawed and the tax burden on those occupants have their taxes accessed accordingly for fees and maintenance.

HOA have there pros and cons. But what I think it comes down to is if you dont want to live in an HOA then dont buy a house in an HOA. Just like if you dont want to live next to a gas station, freeway, or industrial zone. I think HOAs became so popular because of third worlders and the usual problematic types moving into neighborhoods and ruining the place.

RC2006 says

But what I think it comes down to is if you dont want to live in an HOA then dont buy a house in an HOA.

Exactly

MolotovCocktail says

I for one don't feel sorry ppl buying into HOAs. Like student loans, nobody put a gun to their heads to sign on the dotted line.

"But...but...everywhere are HOAs if you want to buy a home!" <--- it's like ppl don't fucking read what I wrote or simply cannot accept accountability for their actions. It's still a choice on your part. Everything is a trade off. If you make that choice, you can't bitch about the tyranny of the HOA YOU WILLINGLY SPREAD YOUR BUTTCHEEKS TO. YOU signed on the fucking dotted line.

I think HOAs became so big because it helped builders sell homes. I've never looked it up but, it would be interesting to know if HOA homes appreciate faster than non HOA homes. That would be the only thing needed to make everyone want to live/purchase in an HOA. EVERYTHING comes down to $$$.

GNL says

I think HOAs became so big because it helped builders sell homes. I've never looked it up but, it would be interesting to know if HOA homes appreciate faster than non HOA homes. That would be the only thing needed to make everyone want to live/purchase in an HOA. EVERYTHING comes down to $$$.

A lot of local governments like them...especially the ones that take over maintenance of roads, sewers, water mains and even telecom.

mell says

Karens are a probmem everywhere

What a great QWERTYan slip!