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The best argument for a President Trump


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"The single most important thing for the Republican Party is to nominate the person who gives us the best chance to beat Hillary Clinton," Christie said, appearing with Trump at a press conference before a rally in Texas.

"I can guarantee you that the one person that Hillary and Bill Clinton do not want to see on that stage come next September is Donald Trump," the New Jersey governor continued.

That is becoming clear to a number of Republican and even Democratic observers, who are starting to come to grips with the coming months of a general election that could feature a Trump-Clinton showdown for the ages.

Democrats privately, and even publicly, have reacted with almost universal glee at a possible Trump nomination, pointing to his bombastic and nativist rhetoric they believe would alienate wide swaths of the American public.

But here's why many Republican and Democratic observers say Trump can win: He has inspired a flood of enthusiasm that has led to record Republican turnout in each of the four states that have so far voted. He also has crossover appeal that one GOP consultant compared to Ronald Reagan, and the potential to tap in to typically unheard-of constituencies for the GOP, something that could elude other candidates like Sens. Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz, as well as Ohio Gov. John Kasich.

And he has certainly proven his credentials by navigating his way to a dominating lead in a once 17-member Republican presidential field by assembling of one of the most broad-based coalitions in recent Republican Party history.

"They do not know the playbook with Donald Trump because he is rewriting the playbook," Christie said Friday of the Clintons. "He is rewriting the playbook of American politics."

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11   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Mar 1, 2:17pm  

socal2 says

Trump and his cult can barely go a fucking day without bragging about his poll numbers. Yet they are absolutely mum when presented with months and months of consistent polling numbers showing Trump losing to Hillary.

Not very reliable this far ahead. In Summer 1992, Perot and Bush the Elder were in the 30s, and Clinton was well below both at 25%.

12   socal2   2016 Mar 1, 2:20pm  

lostand confused says

it will be the other way around. Just wait till Trump unloads on Hillary. Trump will win.

Right - all Hillary has to say is:

"Gee - Donald, that is not what you were saying to me when you were donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to my foundation along with tens of thousands of donations to my Democrat friends like Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer. Were you lying then or are you lying now?"

Just wait until the Media starts reporting on Trump bragging in his books about being a serial and UNREPENTANT adulterer. Talk about "war on women". How is Trump going to be able to attack the Clinton sleaze with a history like that?

Anecdotal only, but my apolitical wife really dislikes the Clintons. But every time Trump's big orange face is on TV she turns it off and says she will vote for Hillary a thousand times before that vulgar New York Liberal.

13   socal2   2016 Mar 1, 3:16pm  

Ironman says

Do you deny that it's only a +3 for Hillary in the nationwide average? Go to the link you actually posted:

No I don't deny it.

- Do you deny that Trump is the ONLY Republican that polls worse than Hillary?
- Do you deny that Trump has higher negatives than Hillary?
- Do you deny that Trump has gotten very little attack ads spent against him compared to the rest?

Trump is at his zenith right now. It can only go downhill as more dirt is exposed. Not to mention all the new gaffes he will make between now and November. His inexplicable flub on the KKK thing is just one example. It was the biggest softball question in history, and the dumb ass tripped all over his dick.

14   Heraclitusstudent   2016 Mar 1, 3:23pm  

Seen on the NYT: "What Wouldn’t Jesus Do? For evangelical voters like me, backing Trump is a huge mistake."

Seriously? They are going to try and distract more people to vote for Rubio or Hillary because they are... "evangelicals"?

This is typically the kind of message that makes people mad and encourages them to vote for Trump - just to mess with the IDIOT who wrote this.

15   Heraclitusstudent   2016 Mar 1, 3:26pm  

As far as Hillary vs Trump, I think all Trump has to do to win by a landslide is simply repeat in a loop:
"I know but look she is in favor of free-trade. I know but look she is in favor of immigration."

16   socal2   2016 Mar 1, 3:41pm  

Ironman says

Of course he does, the Dems hate him and the GOPe hate him, what would you expect?

In other words, the majority of voters.

17   socal2   2016 Mar 1, 3:46pm  

Ironman says

Only idiots like you hang on minor, bullshit sound bites, in hopes your beloved GOPe dickheads might win.

Not just the KKK flub.

Trump praising Totalitarian Chi-Coms killing Democracy advocates in Tienanmen Square. Trump critical of Gorbachev for reforming Totalitarian Russia. Trump aping ISIS propaganda that "Bush Lied" about WMDs. Trump aping birtherism......

And spare me the "GOPe" bullshit. When Trump gets done pandering to Republicans and Conservatives to sow up the nomination, he will revert back to his Progressive Liberal form so quick your head will spin. This is the most conservative you will ever see Trump. He will be cutting deals and expanding government so big you will be dreaming of the days of the GOPe.

18   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Mar 1, 3:50pm  

socal2 says

Trump praising Totalitarian Chi-Coms killing Democracy advocates in Tienanmen Square. Trump critical of Gorbachev for reforming Totalitarian Russia. Trump aping ISIS propaganda that "Bush Lied" about WMDs. Trump aping birtherism......

www.youtube.com/embed/GvliUuXjbL4

And spare me the "GOPe" bullshit. When Trump gets done pandering to Republicans and Conservatives to sow up the nomination, he will revert back to his Progressive Liberal form so quick your head will spin. This is the most conservative you will ever see Trump. He will be cutting deals and expanding government so big you will be dreaming of the days of the GOPe.

And the GOPe bullshit of loving open borders while promising to close them will give them the beating they RICHLY deserve. Party Discipline.

19   Shaman   2016 Mar 1, 3:53pm  

Sorry, socal2, but your wife's questionable contribution aside, get ready for the Trumpocracy!
This train is being driven by people who think that the KKK is something from a bygone era, and any endorsement of their candidate by such a person will just make them dig their heels in all the harder. Why did Trump delay in negating the Duke support? Because it truly doesn't matter. Trump supporters won't care! They view all anti-Trump media as establishment propaganda and discredit it out of hand. It's only Jurassic wonks like you who still think that piddly stuff matters (omg he got called a racist!). The rest of us just want our country back from the nasty old families who hijacked her.

20   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Mar 1, 4:09pm  

Queen Hitlery on Corporatist Throne
GOPe defending that old Crone
From Atlanta to Texas's new Wall
Trump Army the Strongest of All!

Shockingly, Rubio's best support is in the North Virginia Suburbs. Who woulda thunk it?

22   FortWayne   2016 Mar 1, 4:41pm  

He's a businessman, he brings business expertise. What do Hillary and Bernie bring other than Benghazi cover up and some empty rhetoric? Trump all the way!

23   socal2   2016 Mar 1, 5:37pm  

Quigley says

The rest of us just want our country back from the nasty old families who hijacked her.

Just amazes me how you think Trump is the vehicle for this mission. Trump's entire history and career is all about enabling and cozying up to the establishment and "old families" you think hijacked our country. Can you name one thing Trump has done in his entire life (other than run his mouth over the last few months) that has tried to forward let alone live up to the issues he claims are important now?

And what's up with the "nasty old families" rhetoric? How is this rhetoric different then the Occupy Wall Street morons that were banging pots and pans making a mess of several cities a few years ago? Or are you coming from the crackpot Infowars Right line of thinking?

Trump attracts quite an interesting group of angry people on both extreme sides of the spectrum.

24   anonymous   2016 Mar 1, 5:38pm  

Do you somehow consider those positive endorsements?

25   mell   2016 Mar 1, 7:31pm  

socal2 says

How is this rhetoric different then the Occupy Wall Street morons

They were morons but had the right idea. They should have joined forces with the tea party and would have arrived at a movement similar to Donald Trumps without the need for Trump's controversial persona. There's nothing moronic about opposing the criminal activities and bailouts of the FIRE sector.

26   socal2   2016 Mar 1, 7:46pm  

mell says

There's nothing moronic about opposing the criminal activities and bailouts of the FIRE sector.

Roger that.

But Trump supported the Wall Street bailouts.
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/sep/15/club-growth/did-donald-trump-support-wall-street-bailout-club-/

He supported the auto bailouts too.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/04/20/naturally_trump_supported_the_banking_and_auto_bailouts.html

Trump is a massive hypocrite on virtually all of the major issues that his supporters claim to hold dear. He hired illegals. He manufactures products overseas. He supported Iraq and Libya. He supported Hillary and on and on and on.....

He ain't going to reform shit. He won't even talk about entitlements. He will go along to get along in DC and will cut big classy deals with the Democrats and the Media growing our incompetent government bigger than ever.

Trump is the same unthinking protest vote we saw with Jesse Ventura and Arnold Schwarzenegger (celebrity, alpha male, "tough talk". outsiders). They were all massive disappointments and liberal as the day is long.

27   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Mar 1, 7:49pm  

mell says

They were morons but had the right idea. They should have joined forces with the tea party and would have arrived at a movement similar to Donald Trumps without the need for Trump's controversial persona. There's nothing moronic about opposing the criminal activities and bailouts of the FIRE sector.

Yep.

Occupy was taken over by the Feminists and SJWs who made bank bailouts about their Vagina. (google "Mykeru" on this, he was at DC Occupy)
TeaParty was Astroturfed by Lobbyists.

28   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Mar 1, 7:51pm  

socal2 says

He ain't going to reform shit. He won't even talk about entitlements. He will go along to get along in DC and will cut big classy deals with the Democrats and the Media growing our incompetent government bigger than ever.

Because it shrank so much under 14 of 18 years of GOPe House and Budget Control, several years of which with an "R" President, the rest with neoliberal Democrats like Clinton and Obama.

And none of it would have happened without Corporate Cuckservative GOPe votes.

29   socal2   2016 Mar 1, 8:02pm  

thunderlips11 says

Because it shrank so much under 14 of 18 years of GOPe House and Budget Control, several years of which with an "R" President, the rest with neoliberal Democrats like Clinton and Obama.

And none of it would have happened without Corporate Cuckservative GOPe votes.

No one is disputing that. I am disputing that Trump is the candidate to reform it. He will fold like a cheap suit and cut deals to not buck anyone's interests. He has no core or grounding principles. Trump's totalitarian character flaws are bad enough, but Trump doesn't have a single action in his long history suggesting he is serious about any of these issues.

Trump's entire life is about enabling the establishment you profess to hate so much.

But I guess Trump's alpha male Jesse the Body Ventura persona papers over all this - right? How did that work out for Minnesota?

30   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Mar 1, 8:02pm  

Ironman says

Funny, when actual details are posted, the one-line headline talking point doesn't quite match up....

Just like the alleged "Blockbuster: Trump lies on Amnesty" thing. When you look at the Byron York interview, it's clear that after the wall is built, the illegal problem settled, then the issue of what to do on our side of the border is up for some negotiation. That's very different than Cruz 500% more H1-Bs Amendments and Rubio's Gang of 8 "Amnesty First, then defund the Wall portion of the plan" idea.

31   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Mar 1, 8:04pm  

Wow! Everybody! Rubio won Minnesota!

States NOT won by Rubio in Red. Gee, this map sure looks familiar:

32   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Mar 1, 8:11pm  

Ted Cruz - shocking photos from 1980s discovered...

33   marcus   2016 Mar 1, 8:29pm  

Quigley says

But here's why many Republican and Democratic observers say Trump can win: He has inspired a flood of enthusiasm that has led to record Republican turnout in each of the four states that have so far voted.

His success among the white right wing idiot republican base, doesn't tell us much of how he's going to do with the majority moderate middle of the electorate.

Sure there will be some support from democrats for Trump, but there will also be lot of relatively conservative people that will choose Clinton over Trump.

For many, the idea of bubba back in the whitehouse (as first gentleman) is just as entertaining a thought as gambling on Trump, and 100 times safer.

I've got two words for you:

Women and "minorities" (in quotes - because the numbers aren't small anymore)

34   HEY YOU   2016 Mar 1, 8:38pm  

He's as qualified to fuck it up as well as any past Democratic or Republican president.

35   marcus   2016 Mar 2, 6:25am  

Quigley says

The best argument for a President Trump

36   tatupu70   2016 Mar 2, 6:31am  

Anyone surprised that Trump doesn't have even 50% of the committed delegates as it stands now? There are obviously more winner take all states coming that could help--but he has to win them. The media always overstates the importance of the recent events and has a really hard time with the long view. If Trump wins Ohio and Florida, then it's over. If not-we'll see.

37   lostand confused   2016 Mar 2, 6:36am  

TX gave a big boost to Cruz. But lets wait for the totals. Rubio was the biggest loser. FL, I think Trump will carry with ease but OH might be a challenge.

38   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Mar 2, 7:09am  

Trump's Duke moment was damming for two reasons.
1. He hesitated to condemn the KKK. Enough said
2. He is showing again that he clearly not authentic. He says what he thinks will get him elected.

The fact that he gave a half-hearted rejection of the KKK on Friday, and blatantly lied to avert the question on Sunday proves point # 2. It doesn't prove that we should ignore #1. Trump is going to get clobbered over the next couple of weeks. It will be interesting to see how people react.

39   resistance   2016 Mar 2, 7:26am  

YesYNot says

Trump is going to get clobbered over the next couple of weeks. It will be interesting to see how people react.

His popularity is exactly because he is so politically incorrect. I suspect his support will grow more.

It's all a reaction to the tyranny of shaming techniques which have become a 3rd legal system in the US:

1. the actual legal system
2. HR departments and university political correctness enforcement offices
3. public shaming of non-PC attitudes

The first two have the power to cost you your job or education. people are truly sick of it, so they are going to latch on to anyone who defies the self-appointed PC lords. And that's the one thing that trump does spectacularly well.

41   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Mar 2, 7:35am  

resistance says

His popularity is exactly because he is so politically incorrect. I suspect his support will grow more.

Political correctness is a social pact to follow some agreed upon decorum, which is based in values. The label is a pejorative that implies that the underlying ideas are incorrect.

When Trump refused to condemn Duke, he showed the exact same rule following social pact. The only difference is that this pact is with a different segment of society - a segment that likes to blame the countries problems on black and brown people. His success is bringing some legitimacy to the shameful ideas (your point #3) of David Duke's followers.

There are no self-appointed PC lords. There is only a changing consensus opinion on what is right and wrong. Bill Maher is politically incorrect in an intelligent way, and he shows how PC goes too far at times. Donald Trump is using negative perceptions of political correctness as cover for racism.

42   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Mar 2, 8:23am  

I don't think that Rubio will drop out of the race any time soon. It's doubtful that he or his backers would prefer Cruz to Trump. There's no way he will drop out before FL. I predict that Bush will endorse Rubio before FL, and that he'll probably lose anyway. Maybe they can become Bubio (pronounced boobio) or Rush (inexplicably pronounced Roosh). I'm pulling for Bubio. Then, they can then take on team Chump (Christy - Trump).

43   mell   2016 Mar 2, 8:54am  

YesYNot says

Political correctness is a social pact to follow some agreed upon decorum, which is based in values.

Political correctness during the Nazi-Regime meant to be impolite towards Jews, not to frequent their businesses or even destroy them, later it meant to rat them out so they could be brought to the gas chamber. It was a set of values "agreed upon". But it really wasn't. Propaganda made the masses do this, similar to the goebbels-style propaganda you hear in the lamestream media and from the cultural-marxists/leftists that makes people these days go apeshit over bullshit. If you repeat a lie often enough, people will eventually believe it. There is birth-rape and eye-rape now. There's homophobia/xenophobia (which sounds like a disease for propaganda purposes) if you don't embrace illegal immigrants or sharia law, and you are a gendrist if you disavow the pay gap. In fact nobody should strongly condemn or rail against something that is allegedly deemed "wrong" by society like a pavlovian-dog without close examination of the issues at hand and preparing a thoughtful response. Therefore Trump's responses were totally adequate. I disavow as in "I do not endorse and haven't dedicated any time to this matter" should have sufficed. Not to mention that Trump has plenty of Jewish blood in his family. But that shows you how well media propaganda works by not giving it a rest and consistently putting a false narrative into people's heads.

44   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Mar 2, 8:57am  

Cruz/Rubio would be Cubio. Considering their Cuban heritage, this would be pretty funny. The Cuban invasion would really tick off Trump's supporters. I wonder who would be on top.

45   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Mar 2, 9:15am  

tatupu70 says

Anyone surprised that Trump doesn't have even 50% of the committed delegates as it stands now? There are obviously more winner take all states coming that could help--but he has to win them. The media always overstates the importance of the recent events and has a really hard time with the long view. If Trump wins Ohio and Florida, then it's over. If not-we'll see.

GOP Committee last year changed many of the primary rules - were very worried about a "Movement" Candidate. Not worried enough! Also why Cruz and Rubio went forward in the first place as splitters for Jeb! Come March 16th though it really is the end if Trump wins OH and FL.

46   socal2   2016 Mar 2, 9:33am  

tatupu70 says

Anyone surprised that Trump doesn't have even 50% of the committed delegates as it stands now? There are obviously more winner take all states coming that could help--but he has to win them. The media always overstates the importance of the recent events and has a really hard time with the long view. If Trump wins Ohio and Florida, then it's over. If not-we'll see.

Another key thing to consider is that the majority of the remaining primaries are closed. Trump wins the open primaries that allows Democrats to vote for him, but he loses big in the closed primaries where only registered Republicans can vote. Trump is a New York Liberal trust fund baby who talks tough on a few conservative issues to bamboozle the moron corner of the Republican tent longing for their Alpha Male daddy figure to wipe their asses.

I think all of the remaining candidates will stay in until convention time to prevent Trump to meet the delegate threshold. The majority of Republicans are still against Trump and I think we will see a unity ticket between Cruz, Rubio or Kasich.

Despite all of Trump's "winning" he is still the ONLY Republican that consistently loses to Hillary head to head in the polls.

Trump is about to be hit with a ton of negative ads and will likely step all over his dick again in the coming debates like last week. Alot of the sheep who only know his celebrity are about to get an education on this vulgar trust fund baby.

47   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Mar 2, 11:42am  

Keep Hope Alive, GOPe! A Corpratist Neocon is coming to save the day, riding on the White Horse.

The Pillpopping Bottom finally won a state; Creepy Cruz is unelectable in the general election and has no economic plan other than the usual corporatist Rand Droidism.

Mitt Romney might came in, and pull off a third Presidential Race loss.

GOPe doens't realize that by allowing Romney in, they are only solidifying the Trump Army, and actually recruiting for us: "Oh Jeeze, not insider DC bullshit again"

My money is on Mar-A-Lago.

48   Heraclitusstudent   2016 Mar 2, 11:49am  

marcus says

Of course the country can't be white. Can we at least have a population with a shared language, shared values, shared traditions and culture? (as opposed to a random assemblage of people showing up with a suitcase from any corner of the world?)
I guess that's too much to ask for.

49   marcus   2016 Mar 2, 2:10pm  

Heraclitusstudent says

Can we at least have a population with a shared language, shared values, shared traditions and culture?

We do have that to some extent. Certainly the shared language. If you're going to complain that there are neighborhood where first gen folks speak a foreign language ? Who cares ? Certainly not anyone with an IQ over 70. Children that go to public schools, become fluent, andadopt english as their first language, even if their parents still hardly speak it.

As for shared values ? We have that somewhat, and we would have it more if the wealth gap wasn't so high. No, I'm not saying theanswer is as simple as redistribution. But maybe a little bit more of that would be a start.

Nothing like it was back in the 50s though. Bernie wasn't even advocating that.

50   Tenpoundbass   2016 Mar 2, 3:00pm  

Trump haters will cry is Best reason

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