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you must pay private insurance companies just to breathe in america, or you get fined. lovely.

it would be better to have the extra tax liability but actually get some minimal medical care guarantee in return.

Corporate Socialism.

It's not a tax for not having insurance, it's a tax cut for having insurance. You just saved $3800 :-)

So said Chief Justice Roberts.

lalalala says

Out of curiosity I tried both answers: in my case answering "no" would mean $3800 in additional tax liability. Wow. Fucking wow.

This is why the individual mandate is a tax, plain and simple, and it is Unconstitutional since it originated in the Senate, not the House. There's a reason we don't let the far more powerful chamber initiate tax policy. It's too much power for them.

And if we all have to pay a tax for health insurance, then we should have completely nationalized health insurance. There is no justification for a private corporation's product to be mandatory.

Additionally, we should have insisted on a single payer system.

The ACA should be repealed by replacing it with a better system that has both single payer and nationalization of health insurance paid by tax dollars. The only thing in question is whether or not to nationalize health care providers as well. Right now, I'm leaning towards no for at least the first ten years.

When I was in college, my roommate was minding his own business and crippled by an un-insured or underinsured drunk driver.
The drunk driver was financially responsible but in prison and broke anyways. The medical bills and therapies made my roommate bankrupt (this was before COBRA). He was young and healthy before all that happened. Young people are not indestructible

B.A.C.A.H. says

Young people are not indestructible

No they aren't. And young people wouldn't be objecting to the ACA if they weren't getting ass fucked by it. The entire purpose of having young people pay for health insurance is to grossly overcharge them so that the system can undercharge the old. That is unjust and not stable or sustainable as it relies on each generation being bigger and richer than the two before it.

If the purpose of the individual mandate were in any way to protect the young, then there would be age-brackets for what revenue could be spent on what claims. It would be trivial to implement this.

lalalala says

Out of curiosity I tried both answers: in my case answering "no" would mean $3800 in additional tax liability. Wow. Fucking wow.

This was in there last year too, just click yes and submit some BS company. It's only a law if you can enforce it.

I will be submitting a real company myself, as my sickcare is covered almost 100% by my employer. Of course the plan is high deductible, but if I relied on western medicine for my quality of life, I'd have bigger problems than medical expenses.

NuttBoxer says

This was in there last year too, just click yes and submit some BS company.

I don't remember it being there in H&R block software last year and it doesn't ask for particular insurance company, just simple yes or no.

I'm going to pay the fine this year, then about three months after open enrollment I'm going to try to enroll in a plan.

If I am given any bullshit that I can't because of the open enrollment, then I am going to call a bunch of Conservative lawyers and sue the system. You can't have it both ways, not letting people enrol when ever they want, and fining them for not being enrolled, is double jeopardy.

If you're going to fine people for not being enrolled, then there shouldn't be an enrollment period. All year round should be open enrollment.

I'm also am going to send in my tax check in full minus what ever they say I owe Obamacare.

I'm curios to see what kind of Obamacare collection they have, or if it all falls into the same sewer system.

lalalala says

I don't remember it being there in H&R block software last year and it doesn't ask for particular insurance company, just simple yes or no.

I used TaxAct, and I remember it very clearly because of how funny it was that enforcement was voluntary.