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Oh the left just labels anyone who criticizes Islam as Islamophobes. So if I oppose beheadings, random bombings of innocent civilians -I am an islamophobe.

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In a polity dominated by two major parties, both of which are financed by the same sources, attacking the left has the effect of strenghening Jeb. Perhaps a better approach, since the left appeals to hope and love, and values "compassion" without thought, is to tell the story of Asia Bibi. (If brave, one might also question the compassion of invade&invite, i.e. NATO bombing Syrians while Saudi-financed militias drive those Syrians into Europe.) The "elites" of both major parties are either cynical or delusional or both, but I am trying to figure out what questions might be permissible among the rank and file.

I won't speak for other 'liberals,' but in my opinion:

I hold all Muslims to the same standard as I hold others, as long as they are living in our country. Politically, we have some control / opinion about what the laws of our country should be and we debate and vote accordingly. We have no or very little control about how people in Saudi Arabia and Iraq write laws and choose punishment, so we don't focus on it. If Muslims got enough people on a legislature somewhere to vote in some Sharia law in some location in the US, 'liberals' all over would make a huge stink about it. If they are enforcing some underground Sharia punishment in the US, liberals will condemn it. They won't accept it under the freedom of religion, which has limits.

I don't look at ancient texts written 1500-2000 years ago, and hold individuals today accountable for what those texts say. I think all religious people are brain-washed followers of fairy tales, although some of the fairy tales have some allegorical value. Liberals want people to judge individuals by their own actions, not be the actions and writings of some distant ancestors 1500+ years ago.

The new testament doesn't reject everything in the old testament. It uses some of the rules, but it's not exactly clear about which rules are kept as far as I know. Christianity has black marks on it's record in terms of the actions of those professing Christianity. For details, see http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm.

Liberals aren't running around condemning Christianity or Christians based on either the vagaries of the text or actions over the years. I will give it to you that in the present day, Islam and the Arab world is going through a dark time. Knowing that Arabs invented our number system, it should be obvious to anyone, that their culture has produced very good things. I had to look up the time ranges of relative 'light' and 'dark' ages of the western and Arabic worlds. In the west, our dark ages were 6-13th century, with the Renaissance starting in the 14th century. In Islam, the Golden age was from the 8th through the 13th century (there is a wide range on the time frame depending on how you classify things). Wikipedia has a good list of scientific, mathematic, and cultural advances in this period. The point of all this is that regions do go through big changes over long time periods. You can look at a snapshot in time (now for instance) and judge the current cultures of regions, but you can't judge the intrinsic value of the people there or their ancient texts based on that snapshot.

The world will stop sucking when the majority people are hard-core atheists. Until then, stupidity will cause violence, death, and suffering.

The one on the left has far more oil and sells it to us cheaply and only sells it in US dollars (petro-dollars). And that's all that matters to the people who make American policy.

Dan8267 says

cheaply

That part is a myth, as the W administration proved with an energy policy that achieved record high oil prices for Bandar Bush and their other Saudi friends. The goal is always about controling resources and the resulting revenues. The higher the price, the more power the resource confers on the patronage network that controls it:

How is this even possible? What exactly is going on the brains of people who go ballistic at the rather mild homophobia, misogyny, and anti-semitism of Christianity and yet say nothing about far, far worse attitudes and actual laws of Islam?

You can call them "stupid liberals" or some such, but that does not get to the root of the issue.

Seriously, what is going on? Are they just afraid of what will happen to them if they hold Islam to the same standards they hold the western world? Or is it just easier to criticize the weak and near religion they know well rather than the distant and "exotic" one they don't? I think that's actually it -- anything "exotic" must be protected from "white Christian patriarchy", and that includes, ironically, a religion that would have them killed as unbelievers, stone gays, subjugate women, and kill all the Jews.

Here is my theory:
You will notice these liberals hold the more educated and more advanced society to a higher standard. Something like the mother always blaming the 10 year old, when it's the 7 year old mostly at fault, because the 10 year old should know better. Thus Israel is held to a higher standard against the Palestinians. White South Africa was held to a higher standard against the Black population, and Americans are held to a higher standard when dealing with Mid East Muslims.
This results in liberals foolishly supporting the more dangerous side at times, which leads to even more problems.

I suspect that Islam is one of the most gynocentric religions in existence. All the blah-blah about how they treat women badly is not very convincing. The islamc world is controlled from behind the iron veil.

curious2 says

the W administration proved with an energy policy that achieved record high oil prices for Bandar Bush and their other Saudi friends

That is true, but oil would be much more expensive for the U.S. if it were sold in some other currency. The value of our dollar would plummet even without expanding the money supply.

Will Iran Kill the PetroDollar?

If the US dollar loses its position as the global reserve currency, the consequences for America are dire. A major portion of the dollar's valuation stems from its lock on the oil industry – if that monopoly fades, so too will the value of the dollar. Such a major transition in global fiat currency relationships will bode well for some currencies and not so well for others, and the outcomes will be challenging to predict. But there is one outcome that we foresee with certainty: Gold will rise. Uncertainty around paper money always bodes well for gold, and these are uncertain days indeed.
The Petrodollar System

To explain this situation properly, we have to start in 1973. That's when President Nixon asked King Faisal of Saudi Arabia to accept only US dollars as payment for oil and to invest any excess profits in US Treasury bonds, notes, and bills. In exchange, Nixon pledged to protect Saudi Arabian oil fields from the Soviet Union and other interested nations, such as Iran and Iraq. It was the start of something great for the US, even if the outcome was as artificial as the US real-estate bubble and yet constitutes the foundation for the valuation of the US dollar.

By 1975, all of the members of OPEC agreed to sell their oil only in US dollars. Every oil-importing nation in the world started saving its surplus in US dollars so as to be able to buy oil; with such high demand for dollars the currency strengthened. On top of that, many oil-exporting nations like Saudi Arabia spent their US dollar surpluses on Treasury securities, providing a new, deep pool of lenders to support US government spending.

The "petrodollar" system was a brilliant political and economic move. It forced the world's oil money to flow through the US Federal Reserve, creating ever-growing international demand for both US dollars and US debt, while essentially letting the US pretty much own the world's oil for free, since oil's value is denominated in a currency that America controls and prints. The petrodollar system spread beyond oil: the majority of international trade is done in US dollars. That means that from Russia to China, Brazil to South Korea, every country aims to maximize the US-dollar surplus garnered from its export trade to buy oil.

The US has reaped many rewards. As oil usage increased in the 1980s, demand for the US dollar rose with it, lifting the US economy to new heights. But even without economic success at home the US dollar would have soared, because the petrodollar system created consistent international demand for US dollars, which in turn gained in value. A strong US dollar allowed Americans to buy imported goods at a massive discount – the petrodollar system essentially creating a subsidy for US consumers at the expense of the rest of the world. Here, finally, the US hit on a downside: The availability of cheap imports hit the US manufacturing industry hard, and the disappearance of manufacturing jobs remains one of the biggest challenges in resurrecting the US economy today.

Saddam Hussein had had plans to sell oil in Euros. This may have been the primary cause of Bush Jr's war on Iraq. Not everyone agrees with that, but it is plausible as states have frequently warred throughout for purely financial gain and then lied about it.

justme says

I suspect that Islam is one of the most gynocentric religions in existence. All the blah-blah about how they treat women badly is not very convincing. The islamc world is controlled from behind the iron veil.

yes, there is the horrifying possibility that islam is actually what women really want. ie, real men who will kill other men and then rape their women, the way it was for millenia before the "modern" era. maybe women expect and actually like such behavior at some deep subconscious or barely conscious level.

justme says

I suspect that Islam is one of the most gynocentric religions in existence. All the blah-blah about how they treat women badly is not very convincing. The islamic world is controlled from behind the iron veil.

yes, there is the horrifying possibility that islam is actually what women really want. ie, real men who will kill other men and then rape their women, the way it was for millenia before the "modern" era. maybe women expect and actually like such behavior at some deep subconscious or barely conscious level.

Yeah, I wouldn't rule that possibility out at all.

marcus says

justme says

The islamc world is controlled from behind the iron veil.

I don't buy that. Women are second class citizens in that world. And that's a huge part of their problem.

You can keep on believing that. But it just is not the case. You have hardly any idea what goes on inside a muslim family in Saudi Arabia.

I will make a broader statement: The middle east had a population explosion fueled by oil. Young muslim men, and there is a lot of them. cannot get married nor get laid because the local women would rather be the 2nd, 3d or 4th wife of some oil-rich fucker. And there is no internet porn. The wahabists teaches them that they will get 72 virgins if they die a martyr's death. Result: lots of violence and war, but against other men and everyone else, not against their own women. The women mostly sit back on their pedestal and watch the carnage unfold.

justme says

The wahabists teaches them that they will get 72 virgins if the die a martyr's death.

Unfortunately, all 72 virgins are like CIC, ugly and undesirable.

Dan8267 says

justme says

The wahabists teaches them that they will get 72 virgins if the die a martyr's death.

Unfortunately, all 72 virgins are like CIC, ugly and undesirable.

Don't feed the troll!

@justme
Yes! You've a big part of the truth. But what happens to that huge surplus of young males? They can't get married, they can't get good jobs, and they must be supported by family members.
But hey, get them fake Syrian passports and they become "refugees" which many European and western nations will take in with open arms. There they can find wives and monetary support if not jobs, to perpetuate the Islamic dysfunction on a whole new generation behind enemy lines.
More Syrian refugees yo?

Quigley says

Yes! You've a big part of the truth. But what happens to that huge surplus of young males? They can't get married, they can't get good jobs, and they must be supported by family members.

But hey, get them fake Syrian passports and they become "refugees" which many European and western nations will take in with open arms. There they can find wives and monetary support if not jobs, to perpetuate the Islamic dysfunction on a whole new generation behind enemy lines.

More Syrian refugees yo?

Undoubtedly. It is becoming pretty clear that young men are the majority of the "refugees", real ones or fake ones.

justme says

I will make a broader statement: The middle east had a population explosion fueled by oil. Young muslim men, and there is a lot of them. cannot get married nor get laid because the local women would rather be the 2nd, 3d or 4th wife of some oil-rich fucker. And there is no internet porn. The wahabists teaches them that they will get 72 virgins if they die a martyr's death. Result: lots of violence and war, but against other men and everyone else, not against their own women. The women mostly sit back on their pedestal and watch the carnage unfold.

hmmm, an idea: "brothels for peace"!

america should go into the worst places and set up free brothels for young men likely to join terrorist groups. might be more cost effective than war.

justme says

I suspect that Islam is one of the most gynocentric religions in existence. All the blah-blah about how they treat women badly is not very convincing. The islamc world is controlled from behind the iron veil.

That's an interesting theory.

Sirs/Madams,

Parallel the issues with the land owners and fifedoms of Europe. Yes, the EU descendants found themselves in a similar situation circa 1200-1700.

The middle east needs an renaissance and a revolution.

justme says

Undoubtedly. It is becoming pretty clear that young men are the majority of the "refugees", real ones or fake ones.

Quigley says

But hey, get them fake Syrian passports and they become "refugees" which many European and western nations will take in with open arms. There they can find wives and monetary support if not jobs, to perpetuate the Islamic dysfunction on a whole new generation behind enemy lines.

Meet this "17 Years Old" Syrian Refugee:
http://patrick.net/?p=1284698

america should go into the worst places and set up free brothels for young men likely to join terrorist groups. might be more cost effective than war.

What was that slogan from 1968, "fuck for peace'"? By the way, it is not just Arabs that become warlike and mean from lack of sex, Americans do, too.

hmmm, an idea: "brothels for peace"!

america should go into the worst places and set up free brothels for young men likely to join terrorist groups. might be more cost effective than war.

This idea should also be applied in America. Prostitution should not only be legal, it should be subsidized at the national level. Free full service should be available to all males age 11 and up. This would dramatically reduce violent youth crime and gangs. And it would be far cheaper than paying for the war on crime.

And yes, I'm being serious about this. Horny young men who can't get laid are exactly the ones that become dangerous because they have nothing to lose and are frustrated because they cannot fulfill basic biological needs. That applies to young gang bangers and suicide bombers. It is basic biology that males that cannot get laid start taking greater and greater risks to alleviate this problem and that they become angry and anti-social ultimately becoming a criminal, a terrorist, or in the worst case scenario, CIC.

Ironman says

I see you're speaking from personal experience.... So sad...

Dan8267 says

It is basic biology that males that cannot get laid start taking greater and greater risks to alleviate this problem and that they become angry and anti-social ultimately becoming a criminal, a terrorist, or in the worst case scenario, CIC.

Are you so uncreative and unintelligent that you cannot do anything but copy-n-paste my jokes?

Ironman says

Bi-Polar?

We all know that your a bisexual polar bear lover. Please keep it to yourself.

Dan8267 says

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Dan8267 says

This idea should also be applied in America. Prostitution should not only be legal, it should be subsidized at the national level. Free full service should be available to all males age 11 and up. This would dramatically reduce violent youth crime and gangs. And it would be far cheaper than paying for the war on crime.

And yes, I'm being serious about this. Horny young men who can't get laid are exactly the ones that become dangerous because they have nothing to lose and are frustrated because they cannot fulfill basic biological needs. That applies to young gang bangers and suicide bombers. It is basic biology that males that cannot get laid start taking greater and greater risks to alleviate this problem and that they become angry and anti-social ultimately becoming a criminal, a terrorist, or in the worst case scenario, CIC.

YUP. Every single goddamn one of these crazy shooters were all plugged up with sexual frustration, from the Asian Kid at Virginia to the one who shot up the Church.

There's too many antisocial Madden Kings raised by single moms who don't even know how to approach gals at all - I mean they have no freakin' clue. If they banged a few hookers, the "mystery" of women might crack a little bit for them, they feel a little more confident, and they'll stop being so aggressive and weird.

Almost every society, historically and today, provides methods to allow young men to get sex somehow, knowing the lack of it creates trouble. Somehow we've forgotten this.

The advancement of Sharia Law in the 50 Muslim majority nations is already too radical for modern society. Intentionally spilling their discontent into other countries is unexceptable. Supposed "christian" radicals don't hold a candle to this barbarism. Saudi Arabia beheading another teen just for 'attending' a protest? (no not the one you're thinking of...this one is new):

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/627602/Saudi-Arabia-orders-execution-teenager

I say it is time again for a "tea party' - but not tea "bagging" or Boston-style. I suggest a Texas Tea Party. OIL that is. Black gold. Texas Tea.
All of the investors upset about the OPEC oil glut? Well let's head out to the Atlantic ocean (dressed as...hmm. i dunno..cowboys?) and sink 500 or so of those super tankers. Not chain ourselves to them like Greenpeace Pussies...sink 'em...Titanic style. The Texas Tea Party!

http://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Oil-Tankers-Are-Filling-Up-As-Global-Storage-Space-Runs-Low.html

Or better yet, we have a war the old fashioned way. We not only invade and bomb a country, but we take it over afterward. What a novel idea. We don't just "WIN" a war and then leave; we do it like it's been done for thousands of years. We win. We stay. Iraq is now New Texas!
Yay. Welcome to New Texas! It'll be great fun. Smoked Camel Jerky. Baghdad City Limits Music Festival. The biggest scariest water slide park you've ever seen - with mandatory skimpy swimwear for the ladies. And lots and lots and lots of religious zealots to shoot at.

Somehow I think we'd see a small change in the makeup of the Middle East.

thunderlips11 says

Almost every society, historically and today, provides methods to allow young men to get sex somehow, knowing the lack of it creates trouble. Somehow we've forgotten this.

There's a reason for that. American was founded by sexually screwed up prudes.

www.youtube.com/embed/V6f_5IYmIJk

European nations with legal prostitution are far less violent than America.

There's a strong connection between violence and the ability to get off, preferably with another human.

you mean inability to get off, right?

thunderlips11 says

There's a strong connection between violence and the ability to get off, preferably with another human.

Playing with yourself is just not good enough.
Rinn is probably the last person to ever go Ape.

you mean inability to get off, right?

Right. That Aspie Asian dude was a real creepy dude, in the correct sense of the word. You know, staring, flicking his tongue and shit. The kind of stuff Rick James could get away with, but not this kid.

Ironman says

Should we be concerned about Dan going postal?

No, I get plenty of relief from your daughter.

thunderlips11 says

Right. That Aspie Asian dude was a real creepy dude, in the correct sense of the word. You know, staring, flicking his tongue and shit.

He has a video.

www.youtube.com/embed/PTvTLvkiAbI

And if that's not creepy enough, there's CIC's remix.

www.youtube.com/embed/Y9bUUWpyyuA