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People Bomb You --> You get angry --> You utterly obliterate the negative aspects of their society by ruling over them with an Iron Fist like Japan in the 1940s or Rome in Dacia ---> The Violence Stops.

Much easier to do when they are not guerrillas. Not to mention do you really think Japan just got up one day and said I think it would be a good idea to bomb Pearl Harbor for no reason?

You are the one using memes

thunderlips11 says

WOW. 98% of the population commits the same number of terror attacks as less than 2% of the population. I'd say Islam is a dangerous ideology.

What the hell does this mean ?

Terrorism makes up a very very small fraction of the "mass killings" that happen in the US.

Apparently you should be MUCH MUCH more concerned about that emotionally challenged negihbor, cousin, sibling or coworker.

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/GDContent/mass-killings/index.html#title

Of the mass killings that happen in the US, terrorism accounts for less than 20%.

And then all the mass killings account for only about 1% of the murders that occur.

"Only 10 of every 1,000 M&Ms are poisonous. To be overly concerned with the 10 M&Ms when you could die from choking on a fishbone is a waste of time."

That's not even a good analogy because despite public opinion, the government is dedicated to forcing everybody to eat a certain amount of M&Ms per year.

I've already stated that Mental Health is far more important than Gun Control on this board. The subject under discussion is Violent Acts of Terror.

You realize that 98% of the non-Muslim population conducts mass terror attacks at the same level as (less than) 2% of the population is a sign of a major Fucking Problem among that 2%.

Conclusion: REMOVE KEBAB.

Or at least don't bring in more of them.

thunderlips11 says

You realize that 98% of the non-Muslim population kills at the same level as (less than) 2% of the population is a sign of a major Fucking Problem among that 2%.

You realize that they might be pissed because of non stop bombings for decades?

indigenous says

You realize that they might be pissed because of non stop bombings for decades?

Yes, throwing gays from Rooftops is a regrettable act of assymetric warfare to counter Western Intervention.

Just like giving the death penalty to children, lawyers, Sri Lankan Maids, etc. is due to Western Intervention, even though that happens in countries the West hasn't bombed, Saudi Arabia.

In fact, the only Entities in the MENA right now destroying Mosques are the Muslims themselves. The Bahrainis destroyed 43 Shi'a Mosques in 2011; ISIS kills Shi'a with joy.

thunderlips11 says

You realize that 98% of the non-Muslim population conducts mass terror attacks

When someone in the non-Muslim world conducts a mass murder, it's not a terror attack. So it doesn't go in to the "extremist attack" stats. But when an emotionally challenged Muslim commits a mass murder, it's terrorism.

Do you understand yet how convoluted your stats are ?

marcus says

When someone in the non-Muslim world conducts a mass murder, it's not a terror attack. So it doesn't go in to the "extremist attack" stats. But when an emotionally challenged Muslim commits a mass murder it's terrorism.

* Chart above only counts religiously motivated attacks.
* Stockpiling ammunition and pipebombs and destroying digital evidence well in advance does not suggest workplace violence.
* The Spouse pledging allegiance to ISIS and Al-Baghdadi the day before the mass shooting is just a strange coincidence.

marcus says

Do you understand yet how convoluted your stats are ?

Less convoluted than Loon Watches' use of FBI Statistics which conflate a hippy sabotaging a Logging Vehicle without the least violence against a single human being and the Boston Bombing as One Act of Terror.

FFS the most moderate Islamic Country, Indonesia, 1 in 5 believe in the death penalty for leaving Islam.

You're an apologist for Religious-Fascist Terror, Marcus.

thunderlips11 says

Yes, throwing gays from Rooftops is a regrettable act of assymetric warfare to counter Western Intervention.

Just like giving the death penalty to children, lawyers, Sri Lankan Maids, etc. is due to Western Intervention, even though that happens in countries the West hasn't bombed, Saudi Arabia.

In fact, the only Entities in the MENA right now destroying Mosques are the Muslims themselves. The Bahrainis destroyed 43 Shi'a Mosques in 2011; ISIS kills Shi'a with joy.

Nope, their recruitment would be a fraction without US bombing, their hardware would be a fraction without US gifts to them, their know how would be a fraction without US training.

Yea they are nuts, the idea is to keep them sequestered.

indigenous says

Nope, their recruitment would be a fraction without US bombing, their hardware would be a fraction without US gifts to them, their know how would be a fraction without US training.

Nope, ISIS grew to take over the Levant in 2013, before the US started Bombing.

In any other country, taking a photo like this would get CPS or whatever their version is, over to your house. In the Arab World, it is a beautiful picture of a Baby Shaheed.

Nope the US has been bombing the middle east for decades, a post here stated they have used 20,000 missiles just since they started bombing ISIS a few months ago.

thunderlips11 says

You're an apologist for Religious-Fascist Terror, Marcus

NO, I'm just someone who likes truth. And I'm someone who recognizes irrational hate, fear, and hysteria when I see it.

The truth is I'm actually somewhat sympathetic to the idea that Muslims better speak up louder against their own fanatics, but I also think these events naturally cause that to happen much better than us freaking out and voicing our hate and fear does.

But also, I'm someone who has faith in humans to rise above ignorance, and I therefore see assimilating Islamic people into the modern western wold as probably a positive step (and possibly a necessary condition) for the evolution of the Islamic world.

And my big fear is that the big religious war that so many see as inevitable, is more likely if we segregate into separate partitions of the world than if we mix.

indigenous says

Nope the US has been bombing the middle east for decades, a post here stated they have used 20,000 missiles just since they started bombing ISIS a few months ago.

So, defending Saudi Arabia against Iraq in 1991 resulted in 15 Saudi Wahabi Fundamentalists crashing planes into the WTC, right?

Don't see how the US not bombing Bahrain or Saudi Arabia causes them to blow up Mosques and execute Wizards, Witches, and Sorcerers.

Or what US Bombing has to do with throwing Gays off tall buildings.

marcus says

NO, I'm just someone who likes truth. And I'm someone who recognizes irrational hate, fear, and hysteria when I see it.

It's not irrational to be fearful of immigrants, including 2nd Generation immigrants, who suddenly kill people for religious reasons with little to no warning.

Did France participate in the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq in 2003?

thunderlips11 says

So, defending Saudi Arabia against Iraq in 1991 resulted in 15 Saudi Wahabi Fundamentalists crashing planes into the WTC, right?

Don't see how the US not bombing Bahrain or Saudi Arabia causes them to blow up Mosques and execute Wizards, Witches, and Sorcerers.

Or what US Bombing has to do with throwing Gays off tall buildings

Defending Saudi Arabia is irrelevant the story was we went there to get rid of WMDs. Killing 250,000 civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan is relevant.

indigenous says

Defending Saudi Arabia is irrelevant the story was we went there to get rid of WMDs. Killing 250,000 civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan is relevant.

Seems to me Iraq 2003 and Afghanistan happened after Saudi Arabians attacked the WTC. In fact, it was the second attack on the WTC.

How come Vietnamese and Cambodians didn't launch terror attacks in France and the USA in the 60s, 70s, maybe 80s? Plenty of immigrants from there to those countries. Can't say the collateral damage there was any less, was almost certainly a whole lot worse.

How about the Mumbai Attacks? Is it because people died of collateral damage due to Indian Bombings in the MENA?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Mumbai_attacks

thunderlips11 says

Seems to me Iraq 2003 and Afghanistan happened after Saudi Arabians attacked the WTC. In fact, it was the second attack on the WTC.

How come Vietnamese and Cambodians didn't launch terror attacks in France and the USA in the 60s, 70s, maybe 80s? Plenty of immigrants from there to those countries. Can't say the collateral damage there was any less, was almost certainly a whole lot worse.

the first attack on Iraq was what 1990? i.e. preceded the 1st attack on the World Trade Center.

Maybe because the US did not leave a shit load of hardware behind in Vietnam or oil money or train the Vietnamese how to kill us.

Oh and yes I concede the jihadists are FUBAR and should be wasted on sight. But the pathology of empire should be ended NOW because it is JUST as FUBAR.

indigenous says

the first attack on Iraq was what 1990? i.e. preceded the 1st attack on the World Trade Center.

But not one single Iraqi was involved with the First or Second WTC Attack. The latter were overwhelmingly Saudi, with a smattering of Egyptian and if memory serves, Moroccans - both countries we've never bombed. What they all had in common was Wahabism-Salafism, as apparently this couple did.

indigenous says

Maybe because the US did not leave a shit load of hardware behind in Vietnam or oil money or train the Vietnamese how to kill us.

Left a ton of US Equipment, also in the hands of ARVN. When the Vietnamese invaded Cambodia, they drove in on US Made Jeeps.

thunderlips11 says

But not one single Iraqi was involved with the First or Second WTC Attack. The latter were overwhelmingly Saudi, with a smattering of Egyptian and if memory serves, Moroccans - both countries we've never bombed.

Remember the terrorists were 1st in Afghanistan and then in Iraq and now in Iran. Apparently they move between national borders with facile.

It seems it would be hard for the Vietcong to move jeeps across the pacific to do much damage?

thunderlips11 says

So, defending Saudi Arabia against Iraq in 1991 resulted in 15 Saudi Wahabi Fundamentalists crashing planes into the WTC, right?

Actually that is exactly what happened. BIn Laden was opposed to stationing western aka american troops in Saudi Arabia. That was his basis for recruiting terrorists and attacking american targets.

Anyone that says Violent crimes are decreasing with a straight face, is a lying sack of shit, who knew damn well what Obama was about, and what he was going to do with Obummercare, and that he is a commie floor smooching commie hell bent on destroying Western Civilization.

You can't be fucking serious! Oh OH OH! I get it! Is that LIKE Oblunders fake job reports?

Eat up simpleton assholes, daddy Obama is telling you a story!

If Violent crimes are down, then cops taking out the Grey's and Martin's must be working then.

marcus says

When someone in the non-Muslim world conducts a mass murder, it's not a terror attack. So it doesn't go in to the "extremist attack" stats. But when an emotionally challenged Muslim commits a mass murder, it's terrorism

Indeed. Furthermore, the lynching of blacks shouldn't be singled out at all, but put into the general category of murder. Denying someone a job because of race just bad HR policy, nothing more.

It comes down to motive, but also an organized movement with a set of beliefs behind.

"Violent Terror Attacks in the USA since 911"
How many died on the 9/11 terrorist attack on Bush/Rep/Con watch?
I'm sure there are failures that will try to defend that failure by those failures.

bob2356 says

Actually that is exactly what happened. BIn Laden was opposed to stationing western aka american troops in Saudi Arabia. That was his basis for recruiting terrorists and attacking american targets.

Yep - not bombing Saudi Arabia, but rather defending it. Most of the world sent troops, including pretty much every member of the Arab League.

Apologists claim it's because we're bombing them.

Also, wasn't Saddam an opponent of Fundamentalist Islam?

thunderlips11 says

Yep - not bombing Saudi Arabia, but defending it.

Meca has something to do with it don't you think?

E.G. you pat.netters meca me so angry not acknowledging the effects of US bombings.

thunderlips11 says

Apologists claim it's because we're bombing them.

That is a conflation and justifies US imperialism.

How come the Cambodians aren't bombing US Targets? We bombed the effing bejeesus out of them in the 70s.

Don't see too many terrorists from Panama, Grenada, Vietnam, Serbia, etc seeking revenge on the US.

How come only the followers of the Religion of Peace(tm)?

you are indicating an anachronism, non sequtur

thunderlips11 says

How come only the Kebabs? Because of Kebab Religion, that's why.

It is NOT the only reason...

IOW should not have shown them how to make fire.

indigenous says

you are indicating an anachronism, non sequtur

Nope. We bombed Cambodia and Vietnam in the 70s. No terror attacks in the 80s from those countries.

We bombed Serbia in the 90s. So far, no Serbian terror attacks.

Also, "we bombed them" doesn't explain Islamic Terror attacks in Thailand, Boko Haram in Nigeria, against Sikhs in Pakistan, Uigurs in China (China has never bombed the MENA), the Mumbai Bombings, etc. etc.

I keep bringing up these points but the Apologists don't answer them.

thunderlips11 says

Nope. We bombed Cambodia and Vietnam in the 70s. No terror attacks in the 80s from those countries.

We bombed Serbia in the 90s. So far, no Serbian terror attacks.

A different time and place. And a different religion, with different tactics. Also the bombings did not go on for decades.

And the main reason this insanity persists is they are perpetuated by those who prosper from war, on both sides of the isle
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thunderlips11 says

I keep bringing up these points but the Apologists don't answer them.

I'm not an apologist, you on the other hand are ignoring the whole picture.

The point is that Lincoln caused the civil war, Wilson caused WW1, FDR caused WW2, LBJ caused the Vietnam war, Bush caused the Iraq war.

Do you see a pattern?

indigenous says

And a different religion,

You nailed the primary reason!

Ideas and Beliefs have consequences. We in the West are so post modern and materialistic, we think ideas are mostly confined to choice of T-shirts or Brand Names with few major consequences.

Almost nobody in the West believes in death for leaving a religion. In the most moderate Muslim country, 1 in 5 do. The Koran endorses it explicitly.

thunderlips11 says

You nailed the primary reason!

Yes I did where I stated:

indigenous says

the main reason this insanity persists is they are perpetuated by those who prosper from war, on both sides of the isle

Things don't "happen", they are caused to happen, follow the money

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