patrick.net

And nearly 100% of interracial rapes are black men raping white women, almost never the opposite, but it is forbidden to mention this in the mainstream press at all, much less call these rapes "hate crime".

You fail to comprehend.

What would be the point of mentioning it ! ?

You have no answer to this.

PC line Marcus, is there to just avoid dealing with the problem and win elections by abdication of responsibility. No asshole will ever vote for a candidate who points out to an asshole that he is an asshole, we all know that. It's why left wing media does exactly what they do, they hope that somehow by hiding the truth they can just get by and get their elections won, without solving any real problems or even confronting those things.

IS this FortWayne character actually Patrick ? Pretending to be too stupid to answer the question ? If FortWayne is not Patrick, I do think he has a lot in common with him on this issue. That being that he can't even fully understand the question. Gee, I wonder why ?

marcus says

What would be the point of mentioning it ! ?

The vast majority of white collar crime is committed by white people, many times at the expense of black people. White state attorneys fail to press charges. The media never points this out. There are not enough black people for a black racist ahole to become a leading candidate like the Donald. Patrick fails to notice because he is hyper-focused on all the ways that 'other' people are worse than those in his tribe.

FortWayne says

without solving any real problems or even confronting those things

We're talking about common knowledge here. THe chance that a black man ends up in prison is incredibly high. Liberals will talk about the way that the criminal justice system is biassed against blacks. But they don't deny that the actual crime is also skewed in the same direction. Nobody is denying the obvious here. We also may choose to avoid even thinking about what all of the reasons for this are, because they are complicated, and because so much history of blacks in AMerica was totally controlled by whites, who for a long time and until very very recently considered blacks and treated black as inferior humans.

It's politically correct in some circles to not talk about all kinds of things that we as a culture or our government have done in the past, if those things are ugly or make us look bad. In some of those cases my same argument applies. What would be the point ?

Policies that have enhanced our differences have contributed to the racial tension mess we find ourselves in as a nation. Policies like Affirmative Action, racial and gender "studies," promotion of "victim hood," quashing of free speech by activists, ghetto culture, and neglect of the family structure have created a society with a significant underclass. This group, assured of their victimhood, feels they have license to commit any outrage against a perceived oppressive majority. Said majority does not and can not expect to accept such a draconian and pernicious affront to their well being and security. So the backlash commences and liberals everywhere are SHOCKED! Well, guess what? You threaten a man's ability to protect his family and way of life and he is going to come and eat your FUCKING LUNCH just the way God made him to be.

Quigley says

You threaten a man's ability to protect his family and way of life and he is going to come and eat your FUCKING LUNCH just the way God made him to be.

Interesting bottom line there Quigley.

IT can easily be argued that deep deep down, Africans are less aggressive than than European whites. Eurpean whites would not have tolerated total enslavement as well as Black Africans did.

Quigley says

Policies like Affirmative Action, racial and gender "studies,"

These aren't a problem, or at least not a major cause of problems, although it is ironic relative to the conversation that we don't really want African Americans to dwell very much on their recent history.

I would agree that in some ways "welfare" has been a shortcut to dealing with the difficulties of integrating blacks in to our culture in a fair way. And that it has caused some problems with the family unit in black America. What if actual decnt jobs had been guaranteed after slavery. IT's easy to put it all on blacks, for not pulling themselves up by their bootstraps, when they were segregated from us and didn't have their own economy to flourish in.

You're a smart guy Quigley, but your viewpoint doesn't sound very balanced.

Quigley says

just the way

Your point works better if you leave religion out of it. In my opinion, people are (slightly) evolved from apes, and that explains more vividly how both react when they feel threatened. If people believed really that they had an omnipotent deity watching over them and protecting them, then they would never feel threatened. Such a belief might distract some people weekly at the level of the cortex, but it doesn't fool the pre-human brain: the inner ape feels threatened and reacts naturally.

I watched sadly the recent election results in Houston, where voters reacted to their fear of 6' anatomical males loitering in the ladies' room waiting for little girls to walk in unattended. I felt even more sad seeing some Democrats call the voters homophobic, forgetting that those same voters had elected and re-elected an openly gay mayor. Instead of compromising on the bathroom issue, the Democrats insisted on all-or-nothing, and ended up with nothing.

marcus says

Nobody is denying the obvious here.

not at all true. the obvious is obviously censored in the mainstream media. it is also censored in the workplace and in universities.

YesYNot says

The vast majority of white collar crime is committed by white people, many times at the expense of black people. White state attorneys fail to press charges. The media never points this out.

never? you're wrong about that. it's frequently pointed out in the media, like just a couple days ago in the ny times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/21/business/dealbook/going-soft-on-white-collar-crime.html

marcus says

It's politically correct in some circles to not talk about all kinds of things that we as a culture or our government have done in the past, if those things are ugly or make us look bad.

now you're just trying to be funny, right? because how bad we as a culture or government are is pretty much the main topic of PC conversation, all the time. here's one from today, from the most mainstream of sources:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/opinions/smith-native-american-heritage-day/index.html

so anyhoo, what is the answer to the dilemma between censorship and innocent people getting tarred with a brush that is too broad?

i suppose you're arguing that censorship is the answer.

marcus says

IT can easily be argued that deep deep down, Africans are less aggressive than than European whites. Eurpean whites would not have tolerated total enslavement as well as Black Africans did.

I completely agree with you on this point. If you look into the history of slavery of different peoples you'll find that many didn't do well under that yoke. Most of the Native American tribes just chose to die instead of being slaves. Other people's were very hard to subordinate and couldn't be kept down for long. The Africans were unique in their servility and adaptability to the slave life. That and their physical differences made the case for racial slavery that perpetuated that crime upon American history.
Whites are more violent by far than blacks, but also more intelligent, more cultured, and more introspective. That makes most whites feel bad about being violent. However most does not equal all, as I've learned throughout my life. Violent and sociopathic whites have been the bane of my life at a ratio of 20:1 for any other race of peoples.

The point I was making is that you can not threaten the livihood or security of white people and get away with it. That is literally the lock that keeps the monkey on the chain and off your neck. Piss off white people too much and you won't like the results. Hell, you likely won't survive the results!

marcus says

THe chance that a black man ends up in prison is incredibly high.

False Marcus, just plain false. If a black man is a thug, yes in jail or shot. If he is a normal human being than he'll be all right. It would have been different if Democrats didn't care to kiss their ass day and night like it's some sort of entitlement. Why would they be different, if the only thing that stands between them and a hand out they want is just a fake race based riot outrage in Chicago/LA.

Talk about real "Inconvenient Truth".

FortWayne says

marcus says

THe chance that a black man ends up in prison is incredibly high.

False Marcus, just plain false.

I meant this as a relative and geralized fact. When I said "incredbily high" maybe I should have said surprisingly high. It's a generalization, not saying that any particular black male is likely to end up in prison.

The following is a statistical fact, according to Wikepdia: : A black male born in 1991 has a 69% chance of spending time in prison at some point in his life.

These graphics are surprising as well.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/07/18/chart-of-the-week-the-black-white-gap-in-incarceration-rates/

In 2010, all black men were six times as likely as all white men to be incarcerated in federal, state and local jails, according to a 2013 Pew Research Center study. We also found that black-white gaps in median household income and wealth had widened in recent decades, while gaps in high school completion and life expectancy had narrowed.

marcus says

It's politically correct in some circles to not talk about all kinds of things that we as a culture or our government have done in the past, if those things are ugly or make us look bad.

now you're just trying to be funny, right? because how bad we as a culture or government are is pretty much the main topic of PC conversation, all the time. here's one from today, from the most mainstream of sources:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/opinions/smith-native-american-heritage-day/index.html

Wow. I mean WOW ! So talking about the existence of Native Americans, or honoring their existence, is to you a reminder of the ugliness of things we've done ?

There was absolutely no mention of the genocide of native Americans in that piece. And by the way, I'm not saying I want to talk about that, because we all know, and besides, as I say, what's the point. There are voices that want to bring attention to the dark side of American history or current activities, but it's far far far far more censored or at least PC to not go there than, the astonishing hidden fact that as a percentage, blacks commit way more crimes in America than whites ? OR that uh-oh, I'm going to say it - huge shock and well kept secret - some extremist Islamic radicals have been committing terrorist acts - and a highly hidden secret that we need to talk about - they use their fundamentalist religious beliefs in defense of their actions !

How many prominent voices other than Noam Chomsky do you hear talking about the history of our covert activities and the darker side of some of our foriegn policies and trying to understand them ? I'm not advocating censorship, or the degree to which our media intentionally affects our perception. But tn the case of the two examples in this thread, I don't get where you're coming from.

Even you seem to get it in a way, and yet the issue is still a charged one for you, for some strange reason. Right wing upbringing perhaps ?

How can the truth be told without harming the innocent? Is it even possible?

marcus says

The following is a statistical fact, according to Wikepdia: A black male born in 1991 has a 69% chance of spending time in prison at some point in his life

Ugh - yet more preposterous math from Ignorant marcus/"humanity", who claims to be a math teacher.

First of all, "Wikepdia" does not exist. Second, Wikipedia, which does at least exist, is not a reliable source. Third, if you look up that assertion on Wikipedia, you'll find it links to a source that doesn't say 69%. Other sources say 29%. I can believe 29%, although it's an estimate, not an actual count. I can't understand how anyone could seriously believe 69%.

marcus says

I meant this as a relative and geralized fact. When I said "incredbily high" maybe I should have said surprisingly high.

What's so surprising about thugs going to jail? Criminals go to jail, normal people do not.

They don't just arrest for skin color, they arrest you when you go out looking for trouble. That kid wouldn't' get shot in Chicago if he didn't run outside with a knife high on drugs. In our neighborhood, a young man did the same thing, this one was white. He ended up just the same, dead. Only difference was that this attracted no media attention or racial outrage.

curious2 says

Wikipedia, which does at least exist, is not a reliable source

That's why I cited it as "according to wikipedia." I was just grabbing a quick number to help Fortwayne understand what I was saying. You're right, it did sound too high. 1 in 3 is the the assessment going around, and the 69% might have been a typo from the 29% source that you found. OTher sources say 1 in 3 that is a little higher than your 1999 29%. I really didn't care what the exact number was at the time. Whether a black man is 8 times as likely or 17 times as likely as a white man to spend time in prison, either way I'm taking the time to wrap my mind around it, and probably can't.

But I'm not surprised to see that you're just as much of a dysfunctional asshole as ever. Glad that being such an asshole motivated you to learn something.

Please don't start stalking me again. I guess you probably have been all this time, and got excited because you finally found an error and a misspelling too, that you could jump on. Uhg, indeed.

FortWayne says

In our neighborhood, a young man did the same thing, this one was white. He ended up just the same, dead. Only difference was that this attracted no media attention or racial outrage.

Please link the story and video, I'd like to see how much "the same" it was. In this case it was a cop committing murder. I doubt that's true in the case you're thinking of.

I know it's probably news to you, but even if you hate certain kinds of people, cops don't have the right to shoot someone dead for being high and waving a pocket knife around.
Btw, if I'm not mistaken the pocket knife wasn't even open. IF you've seen a video and think the killing was okay, you're worse than just the idiot I've always thought you to be.

Quigley says

The Africans were unique in their servility and adaptability to the slave life.

i really doubt that. are you saying africans are genetically servile? one big problem with such a theory is that "african" is a very poor way to group people genetically, since the genetic distances in africa between peoples are typically much larger than those between, say, white people and asians. they may all look similar simply because they have black skin, but they're not a unitary group of people at all. see http://patrick.net/Blacks%2C+Whites%2C+and+Indians

the cultures and languages of africa also have really vast differences between them.

Quigley says

Native American tribes just chose to die instead of being slaves

they could also simply escape back to their native tribe and live as they did before. africans could not do that so easily.

Quigley says

Whites are more violent by far than blacks

lol, where did you even get that? just making up shit?

to be technically correct (the best kind of correct!) the most violent people are actually in latin america btw. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate and sort by "Rate". honduras tops the list, then venezuela, blah blah, and the european countries and asians are near the bottom.

marcus says

A black male born in 1991 has a 69% chance of spending time in prison at some point in his life.

so... you're saying that they didn't do anything deserving of prison?

marcus says

Wow. I mean WOW ! So talking about the existence of Native Americans, or honoring their existence, is to you a reminder of the ugliness of things we've done ?

i said white crimes are talked about all the time. you said no. i'm pointing out that yes, indeed, what white people have done is blamed pretty much all the time and here's an article from just today.

Given all the pains Native Americans have suffered throughout the centuries, such as massacres, forced removal from and theft of our homelands, broken treaties and all manner of dehumanization, ...

And yes, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008. Only 45 per cent of the offenders were white.

Many of these were in poor black communities.

It's also true that way more black men are very poor and without a good home environment than white men.

marcus says

I really didn't care what the exact number was at the time.

You never do. You just keep on trolling.

marcus says

Please don't start stalking me again. I guess you probably have been all this time....

Nobody ever bothers to stalk you, at least I certainly never have, but you maintain that delusion to keep your ego inflated. I don't bother reading even a tenth of your comments, but occasionally your obviously wrong math sets off my SIWOTI.

Fuck you Allah! Suck my cock you bacon hating piece of shit!

marcus says

Please link the story and video, I'd like to see how much "the same" it was. In this case it was a cop committing murder. I doubt that's true in the case you're thinking of.

I know it's probably news to you, but even if you hate certain kinds of people, cops don't have the right to shoot someone dead for being high and waving a pocket knife around.

Btw, if I'm not mistaken the pocket knife wasn't even open. IF you've seen a video and think the killing was okay, you're worse than just the idiot I've always thought you to be.

I'll see if I can dig up something, it barely made the news locally. Boy was white, so wasn't important enough to put on the news.

Pocket knife was open, and it looked dangerous enough to warrant the shooting.

Quigley says

Whites are more violent by far than blacks

lol, where did you even get that? just making up shit?

to be technically correct (the best kind of correct!) the most violent people are actually in latin america btw. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate and sort by "Rate". honduras tops the list, then venezuela, blah blah, and the european countries and asians are near the bottom.

You are referring to crime. What about genocidal type of violence that occurs in Rwanda etc. I think Africa has the most violence, outside the Middle East.

Wikipedia is generally reliable for shit like "Luffing" or "Bread Pudding". It is notoriously unreliable for anything that touches on the political.

I'll try to find the LOLCow that is part of the great "Feminist Edit of Wikipedia" campaign, where some Feminist "Contributor" rewrote an article about sexual dimorphism to state that the reason women were weaker than men is that "Boys are encouraged to exercise their upper body strength as children, girls are not." and linking to a single article by a non-scientist Gender Studies author to support that claim (paraphrase).

http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/02/wikipedia-is-very-masculine-so-feminists-pledge-to-fix-it/

Wikipedia is also useful to find primary sources that are quoted in the article as a starting point.

Other wikis are unreliable as well. While "Rational Wiki" is fine for "Dr." Kent Hovind, Bigfoot, UFOs, etc. but it's incredibly biased on anything related to Multiculturalism or Feminism as the editors are overwhelmingly Regressive Identitarian Liberals

But yeah, anything with the least relevance to modern controversy or politics, stay away.

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I wish all Americans were white.