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Peace will have to be imposed on Israel and Palestine


               
2015 Oct 2, 6:59am   1,604 views  18 comments

by tovarichpeter   follow (7)  

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jakob-von-uexkull/palestine-israel-only-an_b_8232054.html

Columnist Roger Cohen, "An oppressed people will rise up. That is the nature of things." There is no guarantee that the next conflict will remain restricted to Israel/ Palestine or will remain non-nuclear. This conflict is not the only one in the Middle East, but a solution would send a strong signal of hope that solutions even for very intractable disputes are possible. Fortunately, both sides overwhelmingly agree on the key aspects of a viable solution: two states within the 1967 borders, with some mutual border adjustments. This crucial fact soon becomes obvious to anyone who travels, as I have...

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1   Strategist   2015 Oct 2, 9:07am  

tovarichpeter says

Israel Palestine: Only an imposed solution will work

tovarichpeter says

https://www.khanacademy.org/

Someone forgot their caffeine this morning.

2   tovarichpeter   2015 Oct 2, 9:32am  

Thanks Strategist. You are right. I posted it before I had my coffee.

3   tovarichpeter   2015 Oct 2, 3:15pm  

And the U.S. will have to impose it

4   Strategist   2015 Oct 2, 4:53pm  

tovarichpeter says

And the U.S. will have to impose it

How?

5   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Oct 2, 5:45pm  

Strategist says

How?

Start dropping the foreign aid each year until compliance is reached. Did you also know that a huge chunk of the working age Israeli citizenship lives outside Israel? Just Sayin'

6   tovarichpeter   2015 Oct 2, 7:18pm  

"Did you also know that a huge chunk of the working age Israeli citizenship lives outside Israel?"

Making Israel is the second home land of the Jews?

7   Strategist   2015 Oct 2, 8:17pm  

thunderlips11 says

Strategist says

How?

Start dropping the foreign aid each year until compliance is reached.

That won't stop the suicide bombers, and other terrorists.
For sustained peace both sides have to refrain from violence.

9   Patrick   2025 Oct 13, 10:52am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/soaring-hope-monday-october-13-2025


Even before the cheering died down, Trump’s critics began moving the goalposts. Having lost their “it’ll never happen” bets, they’ve now pivoted to “it won’t last.” This morning’s fashionable pessimism is that Hamas will never disarm, that Phase Two —turning guns into governance— will collapse under its own contradictions.

But the inconvenient fact is that Hamas just surrendered the only leverage it ever had. With every hostage released, the last bargaining chip rode out of the compound in a Red Cross truck. What’s left of Hamas’ negotiating position would fit neatly into a body bag.

But this morning isn’t for squinting at the next bullet point in the peace outline. It’s for breathing. For sitting back and basking in the miraculous fact that something happened here that was never supposed to. The impossible, the unthinkable, the thing all the experts agreed could never happen— just did. Twenty young men just walked out of Gaza alive, the dying has stopped, and the world’s most contentious conflict is napping. ...

Trump didn’t just throw out the rulebook— he locked the State Department and the CIA middlemen in a closet and built a new peace process on the fly. Every other president since Eisenhower was held hostage to “the interagency process,” a glacial fog of murky memos, mind-numbing meetings, policy papers, and soul-crushing career diplomats whose main purpose is to make sure nothing too interesting ever happens.

Trump scrapped it all.

He decided Foggy Bottom and Langley were part of the problem: too CYA-focused, too compromised, too self-interested, and too addicted to “managing” conflicts instead of ending them. ...

Trump understands that, when everyone agrees something can’t be done, it usually means nobody’s tried doing it the right way. ...

History rarely belongs to the elites and the credentialed. It belongs to the ones willing to walk past the credentials, wave off the committees, and act while the experts are still editing their footnotes. Every major breakthrough— whether Lincoln emancipating the slaves over his Cabinet’s objections, Churchill ignoring the appeasers, or “reckless” Reagan calling on Gorbachev to tear down that Wall— came from someone who promoted courage over consensus.

Regardless of what the sneering morons on the Nobel committee might think, Trump has earned his place in that historic lineage. He shattered the spell of elite credentialism, proving, once again, that expertise without conviction leads nowhere.
10   Patrick   2025 Oct 13, 11:02am  

https://www.kunstler.com/p/the-matrix-abides


Of the 251 hostages seized in the Oct 7, 2023, Hamas raid on Southern Israel, 20 came out alive today, all men. None of the captured 76 women and girls made it out alive. This should tell you something about the moral disposition of Hamas, on top of the shockingly low number of survivors altogether. ...

The Lefty-Woke wine-ladies of the Boston suburbs and their nose-ring Ivy League daughters must have the blues today over the implicit surrender of their heroes, Hamas. The keffiyeh is headed out as a fashion accessory. Who will be their next pet oppressed minority? (The Eskimos? The New York Times will put out a whole cooking section on blubber.) Note to the men (so-called) in their orbits: the gals will be loading up on Paxil and Klonopin, on top of all that Chardonnay. Consider hiding the car keys.
11   FreeAmericanDOP   2025 Oct 13, 11:04am  

I'm surprised the pivot to Maduro isn't happening yet.

The closest I've seen is Rand Paul complaining about blasting smugglers on the high seas who are carrying poison into the USA.
12   FreeAmericanDOP   2025 Oct 13, 11:09am  

@ComicDaveSmith

I’m not optimistic about the long or even medium term prospects for peace in the Middle East. I hope I’m wrong.

Either way, today innocent people are going home to their families and people aren’t being killed in Gaza. And that is amazing. We should all be praying for peace.

https://x.com/ComicDaveSmith/status/1977750219182772561

ReeeEEEeee.

Also: there IS violence in Gaza. Hamas is warring on the Dughmush, one of the largest Arab Clans in the area with 100s of families as members, and there are gunfights all over.

Part of the plan is to replace Muslim Brotherhood Hamas with an alliance of Clans willing to work with (and profit from) the new Outside-Arab Led Government.

NOW you will see Egypt strategically open the border to traffic at certain times, to let Clan members and allies who live outside Gaza INTO Gaza.
13   FreeAmericanDOP   2025 Oct 13, 11:33am  

Going back to the Left for a minute:

Not one mention of TRUMP.
14   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2025 Oct 13, 12:08pm  

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

Going back to the Left for a minute:

Not one mention of TRUMP.


Wow!

Bunch of assholes.
15   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2025 Oct 13, 9:25pm  

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

Not one mention of TRUMP.


Of course. They are making it about THEM. Warren in particular.
16   Ceffer   2025 Oct 13, 11:06pm  

Kinna funny. It looks like Trump (or his avatar, red tie below the belt line) is trying to impresario Bibi into adhering to the agreements by generating such a tsunami of clamoring accolades and fake mutual admiration societies and publicity fiat brouhahahah and Hollywood air kisses that it would be incredibly awkward for Bibi to back out of the peace deal on some pre arranged trifle.

It's even embarassing to the Bibi One that Trump publicly calls out bestest buddy Bibi to be pardoned, more or less certifying his criminality before his so called trials have even taken place.




17   Ceffer   2025 Oct 14, 1:16am  

"Central casting". Is he telegraphing that it's all a movie? The Trump figure seems to like to point out certain showbiz artificiality (or avatar/body double) or Intel devised scenarios when he is out there.

No wonder a frenzied MI6 is trying to float that Trump has tertiary syphilis. He is blowing all their covers. Illuminati wars are interesting.














18   Tenpoundbass   2025 Oct 14, 6:08am  

This time is different. Not having the Faggots, Commies, and outright UnAmerican scumbags in USAID working to destroy America to fulfil their college professors prophecy will go a long way in world peace.
Palestine in the last 50 years, has been America's petri dish, where the CIA, USAID and budding politicians has meddled and shit stirred every conflict and every sable rattle in the middle east.
Don't you all remember how heart broken the Anarchist class in America(The Democrat pols, media and academia) was about Trump taking out Salami, and the leadership of all of the so called Terrorist and Anti Israel and anti America factions in the middle east.
Obama put a lot of work into creating Isis, just as Bush Sr, created Alqeda.

For the first time, I feel like any headway in middle east peace will be lasting. As long as we don't relax and let the Lefty assplugs start their commie shit stirring shit again.

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