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What is amazing to me is how many news sources, celebrities, and libtards have mutated Trump's outrageous remarks about Mexicans to be about all people from Latin America and all Hispanics. Here is a quote from an actress of meager talents as well as looks whose parents emigrated to the USA from Honduras.

"You've said some pretty offensive things about Latino immigrants recently, and I think they're worth addressing."

If the comb-over king has made negative comments about Germans, would that be generalized to be anti-European remarks?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3147683/Shakira-hits-Donald-Trump-s-hateful-racist-speech-Ugly-Betty-actress-America-Ferrera-pens-billionaire-thank-letter.html

Blurtman says

What is amazing to me is how many news sources, celebrities, and libtards have mutated Trump's outrageous remarks about Mexican

I'm also amazed that Trump said what he said in the first place, but maybe that's just me.

Remember, folks: not hypocrisy.

HydroCabron says

I'm also amazed that Trump said what he said in the first place

Me too. I don't know, but I think an awful lot of middle of the road, non political people, that is nonhispanic politically moderate people feel like, "fuck Donald Trump !"

Maybe the idea is, that people that feel that way are supposedly all in blue states so it doesn't matter to republicans. If that's what he was assuming, he might be in for a surprise. .

Maybe he's sort of "setting a pick" for Jeb Bush. (basket ball analogy).

Whatever his intentions, I think it ultimately serves to hurt the southern redneck wing of the party, which is a good thing. Republicans better decide whether they are with the moderate voter or not.

MY prediction: They will try to forge some kind of pro latino platform, that's simultaneouly still against gay marriage ("see how the liberals are taking us to hell?), pro guns, and of course all about cutting taxes for the "middle class: (ie, actually for the rich)

HydroCabron says

Remember, folks: not hypocrisy.

Why am I not surprised.

marcus says

pro latino platform

WTF is a pro-Latino platform?

IT might be meaningless and vague, such as saying that they totally disagree with TRump and that they are all about improving job opportunities, or it could be more meaningful but still potentially lies, and talking about immigration bills they are for and or against.

It's hype and BS that's designed to get a bigger piece of the latino vote which is going to be nearly necessary to win the white house. It will be totally necessary 20 years from now.

You can be sure that if there's an immigration bill that includes amnesty, republicans want credit for it. Is that not obvious ? They retain the hater racist vote, no matter what. Where else are the haters gonna go, even if they don't like an amnesty bill ? Look how quickly they forgave Reagan, and made him a hero.

There's a little religious rhyme: "Three in one,one in three, the one in the middle died for me."

Well I've got a rhyme" Three in one,Rep/Con/Tea,they are scaring the fuck out of me."

The Latino vote is quite diverse. But the let's pretend reality is that the Mexican illegals are Indians who have been disenfranchised in their own homeland typically by white Europeans who express hollow sympathy for the people they screwed over and whose problems they are dumping on the USA.

Blurtman says

let's pretend reality is that the Mexican illegals are Indians who have been disenfranchised in their own homeland

I don't think anyone is pretending that.

Just facts, there are a lot of illegals that are here and have been for a while and they aren't going anywhere. Our economy probably even needs them (for the future of our population).. The number is fairly steady, and a fight against the number growing is as strong as it's ever been, and Trump isn't talking about increasing that fight, or sending them back. Other than criminals that are already aggressively sent back. So what the hell is he talking about, other than uninformed hate ?

Do you disagree with me ? That is that the typical moderate voter is more likely to relate to the regular life family values or the typical Mexican American than toDonald Trump?

Pick a side is what he's saying.

Most regular Americans are going to say Fuck Donald Trump. If not, that's just bad for Republicans. IF he can build a sizable coalition around this message, then Republicans are so fucked.

marcus says

I don't think anyone is pretending that.

Trump is a moron clown show candidate. His remarks were incredibly insulting. But I would disagree that most folks acknowledge that illegals from Mexico are disenfranchised Indians. Most Americans think anyone from Central or South American is some kind of other race Hispanic or Latino, categories which are incorrectly used interchangeably. And the US government and special interest groups are partly responsible. If asked if Hispanics or Latinos are racial minorities, I would argue that most USA Americans would say yes, and would be unaware that many Latino countries are primarily European American, just like north of the border. And we have folks like Sotomayor encouraging this kind of nonsense to advance her career.

IS that Captain ? You're making no sense.

Blurtman says

most USA Americans would say yes, and would be unaware that many Latino countries are primarily European American

Including Mexico. Not that the distinction means all that much.

Who was the last president that was not previously a politician?

HydroCabron says

I'm also amazed that Trump said what he said in the first place, but maybe that's just me.

Remember, folks: not hypocrisy.

He didn't say that they couldn't sew did he?

marcus says

Including Mexico. Not that the distinction means all that much.

Actually, no. Here are a few demographic comparisons via the CIA world fact book.

Mexico
Mestizo (Amerindian-Spanish) 62%, predominantly Amerindian 21%, Amerindian 7%, other 10% (mostly European)

Puerto Rico
White 75.8%, black/African American 12.4%, other 8.5% (includes American Indian, Alaskan Native, Native Hawaiian, other Pacific Islander, and others), mixed 3.3%

The odds of Sotomayor being black are likely zippo, and she has never claimed to be black. The odds of her being white are extremely high.

Blurtman says

Actually, no. Here are a few demographic comparisons via the CIA world fact book.

I get where you're coming from on this, and the reason for your commments about Columbians etc. You don't think other Latin Americans should identify with Mexicans because after all, they're racially different.;

Just in case Trumps comments weren't racist enough for some people, you want to take it to a whole different level.

Just out of curiosity regarding this:

Blurtman says

Mestizo (Amerindian-Spanish) 62%

Does your CIA fact book tell you exactly what percentage "indian" is in ones bloolines in order to be categorized in this way rather than "white" or "European."

Also, last I checked, Spanish is European.

marcus says

You don't think other Latin Americans should identify with Mexicans

No, not at all. If Trump made negative remarks about Germans I would not expect the French to feel this were an attack on Europe. Or if he made negative remarks about Scotland, I would not expect folks in Ireland to take umbrage.

You're an idiot on this topic, and obviously have some issues with Mexicans.

I'm "white" and I feel Trumps comments are an attack on immigrants to America no different than things said about various non Anglo immigants a century ago. That is, Irish, Italians, whatever.

Being half Irish, I see it as the same kind of bullshit some of my ancestors had to deal with back then.

Other Latin Americans are understandably offended. They deal with a lot of the same discrimination, and they are often even mistaken for being Mexicans if first generation, with a Spanish accent.

Carson is useful to republicans, b/c he is a black guy saying outrageous things about Obama. It gives them some cover.
http://www.gq.com/story/ben-carson-tea-party

Carson may believe these things, but he's certainly making a political career out of this.

The negative for Carson, is that no black guy will win the republican nomination. He's useful at this point lobbing insults, but they won't vote him in when push comes to shove. The other negative is that he's kind of a lunatic if he believes what he says. I don't care if he was a gifted neurosurgeon, or not. There are plenty of smart people who go off the rails when they get into politics.

Blurtman says

negative remarks about Germans I would not expect the French to feel this were an attack on Europe

If Europeans were discriminated against as a group, then yes, I would expect that.

I guess you probably take issue with the term Latino and Latina ? I suppose you think that people should not identify themselves that way ? When referring to themselves, they should specify what country their ancestors are from, and ideally they should have some sort of certification of the percentage of Caucasian ancestry, possibly some DNA analysis to back up any claims of being significanty "white."?

marcus says

If Europeans were discriminated against as a group, then yes, I would expect that.

Well, in fact they were. Please research the history of Irish immigrants to the USA.

But the real point is - would you expect the discriminators to also profess solidarity to the group it mistreated?

No issues with someone saying they are Latin American, North American, European, but the issue is the confusion of race and ethnicity with geographical identification.

Immigration serves as an interesting filter, in that it takes effort and commitment and either desperation or a spirit of adventure to make the transition as an immigrant.

Well, that's largely filtered through my own experience as an immigrant to Japan in the 90s, but I read that elsewhere too.

Thing is, the bar is a lot lower wrt Mexico, compared to the European immigration of the past.

The crime blotter of California has a lot of hispanic names if not Mexicans. Mexican gangs like the Bulldogs have taken over the criminal economy of Fresno.

Like the Nazi attack on the Jews, there's a bit of truth here in there to stir up the illiberal spirits of conservatives.

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_25792448/sierra-lamar-case-da-will-seek-death-penalty

http://abc30.com/news/kidnap-and-rape-victim-shows-strength-as-attacker-sentenced/284073/

My sister has hispanic neighbors at her place, and they've kept roosters (WTF?) play their goddamn tuba music at all hours, park their cars on the lawn, and are generally just shitty neighbors.

Spanish-speaking immigrants have worked very hard over the previous decades and so much of the wealth we have today is thanks to them working for shit wages, but it's been a mixed bag.

I shop at Winco occasionally and there I get a much different picture of my town's demographics than Whole Foods or Trader Joes.

Same thing at my 5-year visits to the DMV.

Like demonizing the gays, it's silly for the GOP to attack immigrants like this (someone on metafilter said it's like getting flipped off by passengers boarding the Titanic).

But conservatives are always afraid of losing the past. And hispanic immigration here, like immigration the N Europeans have been allowing, is changing society.

And if there's one thing conservatives don't like it's change. And when the change comes with a loss of the past, higher poverty, higher crime, it's a tough sell to conservatives.

And everyone has a little conservative assclown inside, trying to get out.

The other day I heard Donald say "I believe they are made in China" saying he fought hard to get Macy's to make the clothing line in the US.
Remember he's just the celebrity endorser.

Blurtman says

but the issue is the confusion of race and ethnicity with geographical identification

Okay, well I get what you're saying, and yet I don't get what it is that bothers you here.

Bellingham Bill says

The crime blotter of California has a lot of hispanic names if not Mexicans

AS does the census. The majority of Californians have Hispanic names. In many parts of California, it's a super majority.

Actually as a state they aren't technically a majority (over 50%) but they are the largest ethnic or racial group in California.

Bellingham Bill says

The crime blotter of California has a lot of hispanic names .

They are Spanish names.

yeah, I was going to say it's easy to cherry pick this since 40% of the state is hispanic already.

but California would be a much different place if we could wave a wand like the Germans tried to do 1933-43.

marcus says

Okay, well I get what you're saying, and yet I don't get what it is that bothers you here.

Why did Rachel Dolezal strike a nerve? Now imagine if her lineage extended back to plantation owners.

The amount of analysis of this Trump eruption is excessive. It's simple: Trump thinks very little of the Republican base, and that all you have to do is hate the "other" more than other primary candidates.

The problem is that Trump is dim, and doesn't understand the peculiar rules of hatred in the United States. Republican primaries, as well as general elections - yes, I include Democratic voters here - are won by the candidate who most subtly but resolutely hates blacks. One must use language that appeals to a mistaken belief in the color-blindness of America, as well as a magnificently naive denial of the existence of social class, while firmly conveying one's disgust with the poors, blacks and crimigrants.

One must kiss racist ass, but discreetly. Hence Reagan's southern visit during which he spoke of his commitment to State's Rights.

Even worse for Trump is that he's still operating by 1985 rules, when the most significant chunk of the electorate was born before 1940. Since then, society has been improving, one funeral at a time, and the dog whistle must be pitched higher.

Trump needs to vilify some asinine minority celebrity like Sister Souljah, so that the fearful white hordes can say to themselves "I'm not racist, but it's good to see Trump put that bitch in her place."

I can't believe anyone is worrying about idiots who conflate "Mexican" with "hispanic" when Chelsea is getting $60,000 for a speech, and when there are innocent abandoned bicycles in the Mariana Trench.

Who else but criminorities can Trump attack?

He can't say a word about the bankers: they own everything down to his toupée - it's where they rest their tumbler of Chivas while he services them.

marcus says

What if Donald Trump is actually a good guy ?

He would still be an asshole with a big mouth.

HydroCabron says

The problem is that Trump is dim, and doesn't understand the peculiar rules of hatred in the United States.

Rules for hatred #1 honkeys are loathed by everyone, and don't have the right to opinions let alone hate anyone. It's a Federal hate crime if they do.

HWW Hating while white.

You clowns are so full of shit, you're the most bigoted shit stirring race agitating son of a bitches on earth, to hear you guys talk about what the GOP needs to do, should do, or is doing. Is like listening to a Dixiecrat drone on about his constituency.