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Republicans only want to a) and d), and certainly not b), c) or e)

Skip e. I want the ones already here gone. Then we can kicj al the lazy bums off of welfare and they can do the jobs that Mexicans used to do.

Call it Crazy says

dodgerfanjohn says

who have a problem with 1e, I'd be happy to explain it.

I'd be interested in that perspective?

No way we can kick out 12 million people. They will continue to be here till they die, their kids are born here, therefore American.They are as good as American citizens.
I would just build a wall and stop more from coming in.

Actual priorities:

1. REPEAL OBAMACARE
2. IMPEACH OBAMA
3. FETAL PERSONHOOD BILL
4. TAX CUTS!

Call it Crazy says

Strategist says

No way we can kick out 12 million people.

How do you know it's 12 million? Did you count each one (even the ones that snuck over the border)?

Even 10,000 would be too many to forcibly kick out. It's just not practical. It's not gonna happen. Just a few videos on forcing families with children out of the country will immediately turn the population against forced deportation.
We need a practical solution.

Strategist says

Even 10,000 would be too many to forcibly kick out. It's just not practical. It's not gonna happen. Just a few videos on forcing families with children out of the country will immediately turn the population against forced deportation.

We need a practical solution.

Executing them would be cheaper and quicker.
I would be OK watching illegal aliens being thrown out of the country. They are criminals, and need to be treatet as criminals.

Call it Crazy says

Why?? Would that mean you'd have to cut your own grass and trim your own bushes?

I already do that, and if I fail to keep it up I am annoyed by people constantly knocking on my door (white Americans) who ask to do it for money.

If you do B and C and really enforce them A becomes very much easier. E will never happen with this or the new congress. D could and should happen though not sure the mechanism.

Call it Crazy says

dodgerfanjohn says

who have a problem with 1e, I'd be happy to explain it.

I'd be interested in that perspective?

Strategist explained part of it. Simply put, our govt for better or worse has decided over the past 30 years or so to engage in actions that made illegals believe it was ok to reside in the US. Taking that into consideration, I think it would be unconsciable to remove them at this point particularly since as strategist pointed out many of them have children that are US Citizens.

fwiw, I think if you did an anon survey of congress you'd get roughly 70% of republicans and Dems that would be in favor, and probably more repubs and fewer Dems in the senate. But whatever it would pass both chambers and probably override a near 100% chance of presidential veto. No way the Dems let the Republicans get this one and Obama would martyr himself over it.

FYI most republicans are in favor of amnesty so long as it includes the security provisions.

dodgerfanjohn says

FYI most republicans are in favor of amnesty so long as it includes the security provisions.

Not a good idea, ask Victor Davis Hanson what he thinks of Reagan's amnesty.

The first thing the Rs should do is become Libertarians. At which point it is abundantly clear that the problem is the Fed and it should be done away with, everything else is a distant second.

1E will never happen, nor will total deportation. What will occur is something between these two extremes.
For illegals, I would suggest issuance of formal ss cards, free english lessons, and that they give up their Saturdays for 5-10 years performing community service.

Call it Crazy says

Simply put, our govt for better or worse has decided over the past 30 years
or so to engage in actions that made illegals believe it was ok to reside in the
US.

That's true. The perception was that it was OK to come here. Now, it's a real
sticky situation to fix since they're here...

It all started with Reagan's amnesty.

First thing...
Stop squabbling with the mentally ill.

They need to return to the party that was so sure of them selves, Liberals world wide cried and called them the Meanie Party of No.

The anchor baby thing is a appendage of the 14th amendment, and further exacerbated by the POS LBJ, in the 1965 immigration act. Which has allowed about 20 million immigrants into the US. An accomplishment of Obama, has been the lowering of immigration by destroying the economy:

That being said, from what I hear the immigration system is FUBAR, but that is anecdotal.

We need immigrants much of economic growth is driven by demographics. Albeit more so from H-1B types.

Too many at once does not require them to assimilate into the culture but this was true with Italians and Germans.

As China re balanced from decades of mercantilism, Mexico is likely going to be one of the big benefactors, as jobs will likely go to Mexico, maybe already are and contribute to the above numbers as much as Obama has?

Another problem with Mexico has been the culture, that was inherited from the Spanish, which creates economic disparity as the Spanish have done in the Philippines, IOW an oligarchy that exploits the lower class. Note this is the result of their government.

anonymous says

The Republicans will first need to avoid the inevitable infighting that will come from the likes of Ted Cruz, Darrell Issa and others within the party that are more interested in personal agendas and self promotion than anything to do with part unity or the good of the country.

Pure conjecture and no substance.

The real problem with your proposal, dodgerfan, is not that it's unreasonable or wouldn't be a good thing for the country. Once immigrants acquire legal status, they can bargain for worker rights much more effectively, which should take away their deleterious effect on wages/benefits in the general labor market.
The problem is that this is the last thing the GOP actually wants. The GOP is made up of people who prefer the "business" model approach. This means a neofuedalism, where workers serve under barons, counts, and dukes (middle managers) who all serve at the pleasure of the lord. It's undemocratic as all hell, but it works, at least on a smaller scale. What these lords want are serfs who will work hard for less, be happy with temp jobs and no security or benefits, and never organize. Illegals provide this kind of labor pool. Make them legal and the power will gradually shift back to the labor.

anonymous says

Lets see how that "pure conjecture and no substance" plays out in the next few weeks and months and get back to me. Cruz is already busy running his mouth to any media outlet that will listen and Issa is as good a showman as has ever been in either party.

So they are playing politics? as if the Ds don't do the same? Is Hillary or Lizzy above this?

Quigley says

What these lords want are serfs who will work hard for less, be happy with temp jobs and no security or benefits, and never organize. Illegals provide this kind of labor pool. Make them legal and the power will gradually shift back to the labor.

The real problem on this issue is simply monetary policy of the Fed.