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marco says

My generation totally sold out. If it's true, you should cop to it.

If the boomers sold out, then what in the fuck is the Millennials doing?

Their grandkids are going to ride them rotten about trading home ownership, and individual mobility and jobs that paid a living wage for a pocket toy/personal organizer.

If the Boomers are guilty of social assault, then the millennials are guilty of social Murder.

thunderlips11 says

Then the opposite happened - the oldest boomer entered their 30s and crime , esp. violent crime, started a steady decline that is still sliding downwards from it's 70s-early 90s peak.

True that. And don't forget that financial crime has peaked with the Boomers controlling the banks and stock market and financial institutions. If you include financial crimes, the crime is actually higher today than in the 1970s.

Call it Crazy says

That's because you spend DAYS watching Youtube videos...

T.v. is a function not a form. I was including YouTube in that measurement.

And it's not how much you watch, but how much of what you watch.

It is amazing how folks can embrace an artificial category fed to them by the media, and become passionate about it. So easy to manipulate the sheeple.

thunderlips11 says

But the moment you criticize the boomers, it's "Don't engage in generational warfare." Yet seldom when it's boomer against others, do we hear that cry. It seems to be pretty much a one-way street.

I can't think of a single Boomer dominated group that ever said "Maybe we need to sacrifice for the good of the younger generations."

You're making such a total and complete ass of yourself.

One or two boomers write editorials or books or whatever criticsing GenXers, and so you generalizethat this is something boomers do, and so therefore you are justified in being even more of a idiot ?

So pathetic.

Ii is the most stupid kind of generational warfare, and I'm embarrassed for you for the the way that those fucked up emotions are making you into a totally retarded asshole.

These people are sick fucks Marcus, they aren't like "US"!

marcus says

One or two boomers write editorials or books or whatever criticsing GenXers, and so you generalizethat this is something boomers do, and so therefore you are justified in being even more of a idiot ?

One or two Boomers? It was the entire 90s... and now continues with the Millenials. Book after book, article after article.

It's not GenX and Y that are going beserk over criticism - we're used to it.

The problem with boomers is that while they got some feedback in the 60s, for the past half century Marketeers and Politicians have been blowing smoke up their ass to get dollars and votes, they believe that because they haven't been criticized as a group, it must mean there is nothing to criticize.

I'm embarrassed for the Boomers, because when it's suggested they bear some responsibility for the current situation, get entirely:

And start denying sociological terms that have been used forever to describe demographics like it's some kind of weird fad.

I'm embarrassed for un-reflective boomers, who honestly, truly can't conceive that as America's largest voting bloc, and owning most of the leadership positions from Academia to Business to Military, have no fault at all for the current situation.

People have no problem with general categories like "White", "Black", "Working Class", "DINK", "MILF" - not a blush, and really not a problem. But turn that telescope in a different direction...

It's overdue for the Boomers to get some flak, quite frankly.

Asshole BoomFucks just fucked the world and went strolling off into Caligulan retirement.

SUPER ASSHOLES!

COSMIC ASSHOLES! GALACTIC ASSHOLES! SUPRA GALACTIC ASSHOLES!

Becuse of the BoomFucks, the MillXYers are condemned to die like exploding rats of Ebola in their Moms' basements!

honeybooboo doesn't count as educational.

Dan8267 says

I watch about seven hours of t.v. a week, mostly educational and news. How much t.v. do you watch?

byproduct of mass immigration.
various cultures of the world meld together to form a new species.
Each unique culture loses some identity, and inherits new traits.
Some good, some bad.
Long term, this is inevitable and unstoppable.
Don't you watch Star Trek??

FortWayne says

I think US forgot how to treat people as people, everyone is either disposable labor or worthless dead weight, there is nothing human left there.

News flash: With the millennial driven destruction of the definition of Marriage, we are all Bastards.

thunderlips11 says

Not all boomers are bastards.

thunderlips11 says

It's overdue for the Boomers to get some flak, quite frankly.

"Quite frankly."

That's good. Like this isn't all about your emotional issues. DO you always blame others for when things don't go the way you had hoped ? I don't care if 100 boomers have written books saying what slackers your generation is. Are you that emotionally crippled that it then hinders your ability to use reason ? You then want to do a big "I know you are but what am I?"

thunderlips11 says

It's not GenX and Y that are going beserk over criticism - we're used to it.

What do you call your ridiculous and childish expressions of misplaced emotion in this thread ? ?

This is just like the way the political parties get played against eachother.
Except I doubt the overlords are even trying to create this generational rift between the boomers and the genxer. But surely they are laughing at you.

And yeah, some of them are boomers.

So what ? You fucking retard.

The vast majority of "an entire generation" have something to look forward to after death. Dan doesn't. His post demonstrates how he 'vents'...

FortWayne says

Tell me again why Gen X and the Millennials are "too privileged"?

Most boomers I know worked hard their entire life to make a better life for their children. Not sure where you are getting all this hatred toward an entire generation of people.

thunderlips11 says

marcus says

One or two boomers write editorials or books or whatever criticsing GenXers, and so you generalizethat this is something boomers do, and so therefore you are justified in being even more of a idiot ?

One or two Boomers? It was the entire 90s... and now continues with the Millenials. Book after book, article after article.

Boomers have been dissing other generations their entire life, both older and younger generations.

thunderlips11 says

I'm embarrassed for the Boomers, because when it's suggested they bear some responsibility for the current situation, get entirely

Precisely. They can't accept responsibility for the things they've done.

SoftShell says

honeybooboo doesn't count as educational.

Dan8267 says

I watch about seven hours of t.v. a week, mostly educational and news. How much t.v. do you watch?

Agreed. I've never watched that show. I watch
- The Cosmos
- Through the Wormhole
- The Universe

How about you? Still watching Fox News? That's even less educational or informative than Honey Boo Boo.

thunderlips11 says

Then the opposite happened - the oldest boomer entered their 30s and crime , esp. violent crime, started a steady decline that is still sliding downwards from it's 70s-early 90s peak.

I guess that this speaks to the improvement in parenting that occurred somewhere along the line ?

SoftShell says

The vast majority of "an entire generation" have something to look forward to after death. Dan doesn't. His post demonstrates how he 'vents'...

Whether or not you look forward to something after death is irrelevant. Anticipating your fictitious afterlife doesn't make it real.

Furthermore, wanting to leave the world a better place than you found it is not "venting". It's being a decent person whole life was worth living. That's something you conservatives will never understand.

SoftShell says

News flash: With the millennial driven destruction of the definition of Marriage, we are all Bastards.

Ah, more conservative bigotry... A fine example of how conservatives make the world a worse place simply with their existence.

Given the current US rank in math skills by country, the blame remains in clear view.

marcus says

Did the boomers prevent it ? No. They didn't stop it from happening. But we are talking about an age demographic.

Why don't we pick on say men ? IT was men that fucked us over. Can't you see all the ways that men failed us in recent decades ?

No, wait....it was the caucasions that fucked us over. They had their moment in the sun, and they totally failed. Look at what is happening to our economy, to the middle class, to the environment, our culture.

IT's the fault of the white man !!!

thunderlips11 says

I'm embarrassed for the Boomers, because when it's suggested they bear some responsibility for the current situation, get entirely:

Yes, just about every individual boomer you try to pin it on is going to act the same way you do when I ask you to take some responsibility for the way the white man has ruined this country. AS a voting block white men are more likely to be right wing idiots than boomers are.

IF your going to tell me that it's not about that and that an American born in 1950 or 1956 is more likely to be self centered, selfish or narcissist than someone born in 1935, 1942 or 1975, than all I can say is, fuck off you incredibly stupid prick.

No. I watch "morning joe". I like to see the libbys get slapped around on their own network.

Dan8267 says

How about you? Still watching Fox News? That's even less educational or informative than Honey Boo Boo.

This response highlights your blind spot.
We never "leave the world". Our atoms merely are redistributed. Therefore, the world is 'never left' but always a 'work in progress'.

Dan8267 says

Furthermore, wanting to leave the world a better place than you found it is not "venting".

no bigotry, just a simple fact.
people born out of wedlock are by definition a "bastard".
Since 'marriage' has been redefined too many times to count, at this point we just have to assume the word is meaningless, heretofore weddings are meaningless with the byproduct that you, I, everyone born on this earth, are bastards.
Hell, it's just a word, don't get all uppity about it!

Dan8267 says

SoftShell says

News flash: With the millennial driven destruction of the definition of Marriage, we are all Bastards.

Ah, more conservative bigotry..

thunderlips11 says

I'm embarrassed for the Boomers, because when it's suggested they bear some responsibility for the current situation, get entirely:

How does a group admit it bears responsibility ? IT doesn't. So you are suggesting that individuals in the group admit to what ?

thunderlips11 says

And start denying sociological terms that have been used forever to describe demographics like it's some kind of weird fad.

Just because a demographic group is talked about a lot for some specific reasons, in this case, it's size doesn't give it, other special properties that disaggregate it from the continuum of ages (times of birth)

Why isn't it people that are born between 1930 and 1950 where the most responsibility lies ? Because the baby boom is bigger ?

You aren't going to see how stupid you are in this, are you ?
Kind of committed at this point, to making a fool of yourself ?

SoftShell says

We never "leave the world". Our atoms merely are redistributed.

We are not our atoms, but the sentient machines they build. The actual atoms that comprise your body are constantly being exchanged with other atoms in the environment.

As for your sentience, that is created by the operation of your brain and ceases when the brain stops functioning. This is a scientific fact whether or not you are intelligent or mature enough to accept it.

SoftShell says

no bigotry, just a simple fact.

people born out of wedlock are by definition a "bastard".

And people born in wedlock are by definition a "floppidygoop". Words are whatever we define them to be. Nomenclature carries no meaning or weight.

What’s a bastard? It is nor hand, nor foot, nor arm, nor face, nor any other part belonging to a man. Oh, be some other name. What’s in a name? That person which we call a bastard by any other name would be as sweet a person. So SoftShell would, were he not SoftShell called, retain that dear bigotry which he owes without that title. Bastard is the rose, and SoftShell it's thorn.

SoftShell says

Hell, it's just a word, don't get all uppity about it!

Since when is demanding equal rights under laws, including the thousands of rights associated with marriage such as equal taxation, "getting uppity about a word"? Methinks you missed entirely the point of the marriage equality movement.

Call it Crazy says

marcus says

AS a voting block white men are more likely to be right wing idiots than boomers are.

Because they have to use their intelligence to make up for all the black idiots that vote Democrat.

Ah, the ugly head of racism rears again.

Scientific studies have shown a strong negative relation between racism and intelligence.

Call it Crazy says

Racism or fact?

Racism.

I think Dan in his mind blames entire generation of people as a group. It's some sort of collective though, void of individualism, but whatever floats his boat these days.

Some days he makes more sense than others.

SoftShell says

The vast majority of "an entire generation" have something to look forward to after death. Dan doesn't. His post demonstrates how he 'vents'...

FortWayne says

Tell me again why Gen X and the Millennials are "too privileged"?

Most boomers I know worked hard their entire life to make a better life for their children. Not sure where you are getting all this hatred toward an entire generation of people.

marcus says

That's good. Like this isn't all about your emotional issues. DO you always blame others for when things don't go the way you had hoped ? I don't care if 100 boomers have written books saying what slackers your generation is. Are you that emotionally crippled that it then hinders your ability to use reason ? You then want to do a big "I know you are but what am I?"

Your Pop-Psych mind tricks won't work on me.

Frankly, the denial of responsibility can just be as Easily Pop-Psych'd the other way: Boomers have forever lived in the shadow of the Greatest, and therefore have an inferiority complex which prohibits them from admitting flaws or faults.

I don't believe that, but there's some Pop Psych back at you.

marcus says

Why isn't it people that are born between 1930 and 1950 where the most responsibility lies ? Because the baby boom is bigger ?

Because they were much Smaller in size than the Babyboom - not many people born during the Depression and the war. That's not to say they didn't have a hand in it, either. They sure as hell did.

Gen X did as well.

The debate is not "Only the boomers are to blame" the debate is "Boomers have a share of the blame."

Many (but not all) Boomers think they bear absolutely none of the blame, which I find utterly untenable given their disproportionate weight in society.

It is completely unfair to blame an entire generation for social ills and to generalize about them and demonize them. In fact it is even less logical than racism/sexism.

FortWayne says

I think Dan in his mind blames entire generation of people as a group.

As usual, you are wrong. This is not an opinion. It is a fact. As the only person with read access to my mind, I can assure you that I do not blame an entire generation, any generation, of people as a group. In fact, I do not blame every member of any group for the actions of the group as a whole.

You are making the same damn, disingenuous Straw Man argument that Blurtman has made. I strongly suspect that you are doing this to distract from the legitimate criticism of the Boomers and to poison the well.

My position has always been that although one clearly cannot judge an individual on the actions of a group, one can and should judge a group based on the actions of that collective. The two implications are independent. If you can't see why, then you are simply bad at math and logic and should refrain from discussion on this topic. It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

thunderlips11 says

Your Pop-Psych mind tricks won't work on me.

These aren't the Boomers you are looking for.

dublin hillz says

It is completely unfair to blame an entire generation for social ills and to generalize about them and demonize them. In fact it is even less logical than racism/sexism.

Which nobody is doing.

I just want the boomers to realize that their generation as a group bears some responsibility.

Boomers are getting really defensive and insist on accepting no responsibility, masking their defensiveness with "Demographics is nonsense" bullshit - while at the same time pointing the finger at Silents and Greatests (!!!)

Popping a Psych is the same as popping a zit.

dublin hillz says

It is completely unfair to blame an entire generation for social ills and to generalize about them and demonize them.

Yes, and that is precisely why no one is doing that.

However, it is equally ridiculous to take legitimate, evidence-backed criticism of a generation and dismiss it as irrational bashing of every person in that generation.

Throughout this thread, the people opposing the idea that the Boomers have done more bad than good
1. Have never addressed any of the specific charges levied against the Boomers.
2. Have never submitted any evidence to refute or even mitigate the complaints against the Boomers.
3. Have not made a case that Boomers have done more good than bad.

In short, the opposition has only attempted to make baseless personal attacks against the people proposing that Boomers have done more bad than good. That alone should tell you which side is true.

Dan8267 says

Ah, the ugly head of racism rears again.

Ahh, the guy with lights on and nobody home says that making generalizations about age groups is cool, but making generalizations about racial groups is very bad,

The only reason for making the assertions about white men as a group, was that you might learn how stupid you are to make your assertions about an 18 years age window for time of birth.

Why don't you write me a few thousand words in an attempt to obfuscate the fact that you're making a fool out of yourself in this discussion.

Dan8267 says

Throughout this thread, the people opposing the idea that the Boomers have done more bad than good

1. Have never addressed any of the specific charges levied against the Boomers.

2. Have never submitted any evidence to refute or even mitigate the complaints against the Boomers.

3. Have not made a case that Boomers have done more good than bad.

That's because they shouldn't have to. TL calls them a dominant voting block. What does that mean ? Maybe it means if you were comparing that 18 year voting block to a **younger group, you would have to compare it to a twenty five year window to get the same number of votes ?

OF course if you compare it to an older group the difference in birth rate is less, and the voting rate more than offsets in, but then at some point those older folks are dying.

**Also what is a younger group ?

Do I compare 1946 - 1964 to sat 1964 - 1989 ?

Or do I do a complete analysis comparing all these groups adjusted in length for birth rate ?

1946 - 1964 vs.
1947 - 1965 vs.
1948 - 1966 vs.
1949 - 1968 vs
etc
etc
etc.

I honestly don't know what dominant voting block TL refers to even means. More than any other 18 year age groups ? How many of those group defined by age range by age and number of voters are there ? Well infinite in a way, but lets say we we never break these down into increments more than as I started to do above.

Accounting for the fact that there are more people in that 18 year group than any other 18 year group, there still must be at least 40 SIMILAR SIZED GROUPS (in terms of votes) with the youngest now being age 21 - 48 and the oldest now being age 61 - 92.

The boomers are just one of these 40 groups, that happen to now be between approximately 50 and 68.

But you have this obsessive focus on baby boomers and demonizing them. If you truly can't see how stupid this is, I can't help you. Why do I have to supply evidence disproving something that doesn't even begin to make sense ?

humanity says

Ahh, the guy with lights on and nobody home says that making generalizations about age groups is cool, but making generalizations about racial groups is very bad,

Making generations that are true is always valid even if they are about race. For example, a race may be more genetically disposed to a certain disease. What is not good is making false generalization. For example, stating that people with dark skin are genetically less intelligent than people with lighter skin without any evidence to back it up.

Do you think I won't make a politically incorrect, but truthful statement. Well, I call your bluff.

Damn, bitch, did I just demonstrate how wrong you are about me? Yep.

Now we can argue about why per capita homicide rates are much higher for African Americans than caucasian Americans, but that the rates differ the way they do is an indisputable fact.

So honey, I do put the truth before any political or social agenda. Just because everyone else you've ever talked to puts their agenda before the truth doesn't mean I do. Yes, I'm unusual in that I'm willing to abandon any idea that's proven false. I'm married to no idea whatsoever. This is why I don't buy into the typical bullshit that you humans relentlessly cling to like the concept of an afterlife or free will. Evidence, reasoning, and facts are everything.

Please submit your apology below.