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oh and given California's piss poor natural resource conservation strategy- let's all make sure the ppl in Napa Valley don't have their nice views destroyed by developers.

MOST RETARDED STATE: California

You've been TOBernated!

I say AZ should stop giving water to California.

The Original Bankster says

I say AZ should stop giving water to California.

LOL-last I checked the Colorado river didn't originate in AZ, just passes through it. If you stop, upstream states can stop water to you and you are totally screwed. At least only half of CA is a desert, the north western part is a rainforest and they actually have ocean and can go in for desalination, if water stops-but AZ is totally screwed.

oh the fucking rainforest again, sure Napa valley you've got it all...

People with no clue should not rant-or is it that people without a clue are the one that always rant?? have you ever driven up the northern CA coast??

Now CA is populated by a majority of environment Nazis who would rather have smelt survive-rather than give farmers some water. But such people are the biggest hypocrites in the nation-the moment the water gets turned off for their lawns and gardens, they will be screaming to divert the Sacramento water for themselves. They have the water and the resources-AZ does not.

what the hell are you talking about?

CA does not have the resources to support it's population. Arizona SELLS water to California- but obviously you didnt learn that at your California circle-jerk 'yay we have a rainforest' nonsense.

rainforest. :) it's incredible to consider the stoned out hippie retards who came up with that one. Do you have a Candy Mountain too?

The Original Bankster says

what the hell are you talking about?

CA does not have the resources to support it's population. Arizona SELLS water to California- but obviously you didnt learn that at your California circle-jerk 'yay we have a rainforest' nonsense.

rainforest. :) it's incredible to consider the stoned out hippie retards who came up with that one. Do you have a Candy Mountain too?

Do you have a clue about anything or just spew nonsense? Each state in the CO system has its own shares by a common agreement. AZ, NV unused water goes to CA-if AZ, NV need more water , they will get it-it can't stop the water to CA. AZ and NV are pretty close to reaching their "share" if not exceeded it.

You really claim CA does not have a rainforest?? In this day and age, you can research it and find out for yourself-I have driven and camped in the rainforests-but hey what do I know. The pacific temperate rainforest extending from northern CA to British Columbia is the largest of its kind in the planet. It is really spectacular country, with redwoods, forests, waterfalls, streams-just beautiful. That is one thing I love about cA, the climate and terrain is so diverse. Then you wonder why teabgger type never got any traction-because their stupidity masks the real issues and they go off in deep tangents.

I moved away from CA, mostly because it was unaffordable for me. if I had bought a house say in 2000 or earlier, I will stay there. Just because you can't make it there-for whatever reason-no need to indulge in irrational hatred.

Now the sad thing about the far left is the disdain for agriculture. But agriculture has become factory sized and very few people have contact with it. A few generations ago, everybody knew someone who had some connection to farming. it is easy to villainize them-especially if you can import cheap food from third world countries. That is another issue, but if they wanted, CA has water they can channel and unlock. They choose not to-because of environment Nazis, but if people can't use their toilets for a few days-I bet their attitudes will change.

AZ by the way has giant dairy farms in the desert out south-haha-talk about not using resources correctly.

are there unicorns in California?

in case your dumb idiot brain hasnt figured out yet, Arizona has some of the most beautiful nature in the world, but that's immaterial I guess, and Im JEALOUS.

I don't like California because they are irrational, wasteful, destructive and in my view totally repulsive people.

and also- RAINFORESTS ARE IN THE TROPICS.

they dont exist in temperate climates even though the dipwads in California decided to make a special exception for their stupid ass state. No rainforest there, it's just a regular forest.

if you have a fucking rainforest why does your stupid shit state have a severe water shortage?

no reason will get through your stupid head Im sure. You've already decided- California is just so god damn wonderful, it has endless money to spend, endless resources to squander, and is just so damn great.

The Original Bankster says

in case your dumb idiot brain hasnt figured out yet, Arizona has some of the most beautiful nature in the world, but that's immaterial I guess, and Im JEALOUS.

Sigh, unlike you-I believe nature is just beautiful. I have camped multiple times in Sedona, northern AZ, rafted the CO river and the same with CO, NM, Utah. I really love the scenery of Utah and also love the high desert. I have also spent a lot of time in southern AZ-just beautiful country. Unlike you I don't spend my time spewing garbage about beautiful places. Each place has its beauty. I now live in the Midwest and the winters are brutal, but nothing like sititng in your house watching the snow fall and watching the leaves fall in fall and bloom in spring. I now have a giant, giant lot and a house and am already planning my spring garden. Now my preference is CA-mostly no snow removal and winter clothing, but hey I am happy here and with the massive pile of money saved on mortgage will visit there or now maybe AZ or NZ.
The Original Bankster says

and also- RAINFORESTS ARE IN THE TROPICS.

they dont exist in temperate climates even though the dipwads in California decided to make a special exception for their stupid ass state. No rainforest there, it's just a regular forest.

Sigh-did you drop out of high school?? There is such a thing called temperate rainforest-as opposed to tropical rainforest.

The Original Bankster says

if you have a fucking rainforest why does your stupid shit state have a severe water shortage?

no reason will get through your stupid head Im sure. You've already decided- California is just so god damn wonderful, it has endless money to spend, endless resources to squander, and is just so damn great.

I know your kind never reads anything that does not confirm your worldview and you project your stupidity and singular mind on to others. But as mentioned, I don't live in CA anymore. As mentioned, yes there is a water shortage, because stupid people won't allow diverting water available to others-because some tiny endangered fish lives there. Plus the enviro Nazis just want to see nature and not sue it-because folks already build the infrastrucure they enjoy and they seem to think it is magic.

But alas nothing will get through to you-because you can't even fathom a thing called a rainforest.

you are seriousy annoying.

The Original Bankster says

RAINFORESTS ARE IN THE TROPICS

Determined by Rainfall amounts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperate_rainforest

NV are pretty close to reaching their "share" if not exceeded it.

Incorrect get your facts right. Nevada returns a large percentage of the water it takes from Lake Mead back again and is credited with this. The third intake at the very bottom opening next year will ensure Las Vegas always have a supply long after the flow to AZ and CA stops.

Shit we just called them "The Woods" in South Carolina.

CaptainShuddup says

Shit we just called them "The Woods" in South Carolina.

oh no, it's a RAIN FOREST. yep- we redefined the term 'rain forest' just so California could have one! California is that good.

The Original Bankster says

skyrocketing fuel prices

The Original Bankster says

RAINFORESTS ARE IN THE TROPIC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_National_Park#Temperate_rainforest

The Original Bankster says

CA does not have the resources to support it's population

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CEQQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2014%2F01%2F06%2Fus%2Fcolorado-river-drought-forces-a-painful-reckoning-for-states.html&ei=3wbfU_KLLIODiwLJ4ICoDA&usg=AFQjCNFAN22pgAURcFH-CFAgUhHHZVVgGQ&sig2=COyFxQiy1Q6FPmTnTUSAvg&bvm=bv.72197243,d.cGE

man, didn't know things were that bad!

contrary to the rumors, Arizona does not have a water shortage. We have lots of MOUNTAINS where there is snow and LAKES.

The Original Bankster says

I say AZ should stop giving water to California.

AZ has water to give to other states???

zzyzzx says

The Original Bankster says

I say AZ should stop giving water to California.

AZ has water to give to other states???

YES.

Arizona sells a huge amount of water to California.

most think of AZ as a desert but the northern part is alpine. We have huge water supplies here.

Some areas are problematic that rely on ground water. Phoenix is not one of those areas. If we put limits on agricultural use, Arizona would have a huge surplus of fresh water.

I really think that Aquaponics is going to be the future.

you can raise enough food for 4-6 people in a small urban lot and use very little water. Also can be 100% solar powered.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/yN5sYvAyUDQ

Normally I'm a huge skeptic of desalination schemes but this one I like:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterdetwiler/2014/01/07/waterfx-sees-solar-desalination-as-one-way-to-address-the-worlds-water-problem/

These solar desalination stills would allow farmers to tap into near surface aquifers of saline water, water too salty to use as is for agriculture and at a cost similar to what farmers are paying now for delivered fresh water.

IMO it might also allow ranchers to recycle liquid animal waste. Humans may not think much of toilet to tap but animals won't care.

Again IMO if these can be made to superheat water they *might* be used to generate electricity in wet years when fresh water is less critical.

Israel gets an impressive portion of their water from desalination, unlike it's neighbors who are in the stone age.

I believe at last report they got it down to $0.10/cubic meter h20.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/M6aDYVkcoTk

also note that Israel is about 80+% food self sufficient and is an produce EXPORTER.

The Original Bankster says

Israel gets an impressive portion of their water from desalination, unlike it's neighbors who are in the stone age.

I believe at last report they got it down to $0.10/cubic meter h20.

That would be $123/acre foot, damned impressive!

Got a link?

EDIT: beat me to it :)

However, your link only talks about RO which is HUGELY electric intensive. I doubt that can generate $0.10/m^3 of fresh water without enormous subsidies.

What is Israel doing that CAN generate $0.10/m^3 of fresh water without subsidies?

http://www.youtube.com/embed/D3wtONgRF4Y

New Renter says

That would be $123/acre foot, damned impressive!

it is absolutely incredible what these people have done.

they also have excelled in water conserving agriculture.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/yzbOnrLDuxY

Speaking of Unicorns: is it a geothermal energy project? A desalinization plant? Or a cooling system for data centers?
It's all three.

They should make antifreeze and coolants out of the brine, they plan on pumping back into the Ocean.

EBGuy says

Speaking of Unicorns: is it a geothermal energy project? A desalinization plant? Or a cooling system for data centers?

It's all three.

I see the data cooling and desalination but where's the geothermal aspect?

CaptainShuddup says

They should make antifreeze and coolants out of the brine, they plan on pumping back into the Ocean.

I'd think saltwater is too corrosive for most applications.

The Original Bankster says

New Renter says

That would be $123/acre foot, damned impressive!

it is absolutely incredible what these people have done.

they also have excelled in water conserving agriculture.

Where are the cost claims? Am I missing something?

New Renter says

The Original Bankster says

New Renter says

That would be $123/acre foot, damned impressive!

it is absolutely incredible what these people have done.

they also have excelled in water conserving agriculture.

Where are the cost claims? Am I missing something?

This 2012 article claims it takes an Israeli desalination plant 3.5kw/hr to make one cu meter of fresh water:

http://www.ibtimes.com/water-sea-risks-and-rewards-israels-huge-bet-desalination-723429

To try that here in CA assuming standard PGE residential rates of between $0.14 and $0.36/kW/hr you are looking at between $604-1553/acre-foot. And that is just the electricity, not even counting the capital costs to build the plant in the first place. This will likely cost upwards of $1B+ as in the case of the RO desalination plant in Carlsbad CA.

Unless the Israelis have made substantial progress in RO tech solar desalination is looking a WHOLE lot better.