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Misc says

It seems you are confusing wheat with corn. There is no commercially available GMO wheat. Monsanto was suing farmers over corn. That was about a decade ago. Monsanto was bought out by Bayer (the German company) back in 2018. Hence, there are no current boogieman stories about the evil Monsanto.

I will retract my previous statement, I was wrong, you were right. But I would like to point out that in 2013 GMO wheat was found in Oregon and the reason is unknown, despite the fact that it's not supposed to be commercially available. This is a common issue with GMO crops. The pollen does not respect any borders that man creates. I believe this is the reasoning behind the non-GMO labeling, some companies test to ensure their what is not modified vs the majority that do not.

Also, while this is categorized as breeding, it has fundamentally changed the structure of the structure of wheat, and that's what I really want to point out to the people saying all wheat is good for you, it's not.

https://www.greenamerica.org/gmos-industrial-agriculture/stop-ge-wheat/whats-wrong-modern-wheat

On the genetic debunking, my Dad and Grandfather both have/had high blood pressure. I can tell you with my Grampa it's probably because he was kind of an asshole, although never to me. My Dad definitely weight and diet related. Many of my relatives on both sides of my family had a history of alcoholism. You all know I drink, but it's never been an issue. I had really bad allergies as a kid, my daughters have none. I had chronic ear infections, they do not. My wife and oldest daughter both have Asthma, my younger daughters do not. We didn't really start with the health stuff until my oldest was 10, but she and my wife never use their inhalers anymore, haven't for years.

My oldest had high fevers and rashes until we switched the laundry detergent. Then she never had them again. Blaming genetics is convenient because then it's not our responsibility or fault. But with a little more knowledge I think we'd all learn it's a myth.

Patrick says

Try making a simple bread at home, and be surprised how different it is from anything you can buy from a store.

There's lots of youtube videos that demonstrate it. Some even demonstrate making break in a skillet on the stove, no oven needed. Some don't even need yeast.

One explanation I heard is that for thousands of years, 99% of the population was eating high fiber barley and rye bread.

Using mixtures of mostly wheat for bread for the masses is only the last century or so.

NuttBoxer says

My oldest had high fevers and rashes until we switched the laundry detergent. Then she never had them again. Blaming genetics is convenient because then it's not our responsibility or fault. But with a little more knowledge I think we'd all learn it's a myth.

I'm allergic to Nothing. I always used the cheapest Laundry Detergent. Gain, Store Brand, whatever.

Chick washed my clothes with Tide once and it was like Chicken Pox Strikes Back.

AmericanKulak says

NuttBoxer says

My oldest had high fevers and rashes until we switched the laundry detergent. Then she never had them again. Blaming genetics is convenient because then it's not our responsibility or fault. But with a little more knowledge I think we'd all learn it's a myth.

I'm allergic to Nothing. I always used the cheapest Laundry Detergent. Gain, Store Brand, whatever.

Chick washed my clothes with Tide once and it was like Chicken Pox Strikes Back.

Only reaction physically I have is to certain metals on my skin. Some food will make my stools nasty, but it doesn't physically bother me or I shit my pants. No headaches or stomach aches. There's the occasional I ate too much and need to find a toilet asap. System needs to release pressure. Bread, cheese, meat, seafood, etc. nothing bothers me.

There was one biggie though for a while. Heartburn. I'm convinced Tums and the pills cause MORE heartburn. Stopped any of that crap about 5-6 years ago. Occasionally have what is minor heartburn, but I can drink and eat whatever I want now since I just stopped popping stuff to "relieve" it. Part of that is I completely cut fast food out of any part of my diet. You need sodium at some level, but fast food is notorious for it.

clambo says

"When was your last blood test?" "1994" The nurse was laughing "good for you".

what do you think the nurse meant?

Patrick says

I'll have to disagree here - most of the people in the world have some form of gluten sensitivity. Practically everyone who eats massive amounts of wheat gluten experiences some sort of damage. It could be autoimmune disorders caused by gluten-induced leaky gut syndrome, or ulcerative colitis and small intestine damage which inhibits the ability of the body to absorb nutrients.

After I was in a severe car accident, I developed trauma-induced celiac disease. When you are severely injured, the body's healing ability is focused on repairing your injuries, and neglects its normal duties, such as repairing intestinal damage from eating massive amounts of gluten. Once your body has to triage its recuperative capacity, the damage from gluten to your intestines becomes obvious.

I developed a craving for red meat, and even though I ate more than a pound a day, over about a month, I lost almost 50 lbs. My body couldn't process the food I was eating because my intestinal villi were too damaged. It was only after I cut out all bread and gluten that I was finally able to regain weight and recover. Now that I'm fully healed, I can once again tolerate gluten, but I now know what it's really doing to me, so I minimize it.

Before my accident, I was developing arthritis in my hands. My mother suffers from it, and I also have an aunt who is full-blown celiac. These women grew up on a farm with no industrial chemicals, so it's more a product of the fact that Northern Europeans didn't go through "5000 years" of natural selection to winnow the population down to only those who could tolerate a lot of gluten containing grains in their diets. Here's a dirty little secret - "failure to thrive" in young infants is largely the result of excess gluten in their formula or gruel. This is the mechanism by which natural selection worked against gluten-sensitive populations in the Middle East "5000 years" ago - it killed them in childhood.

After I largely cut out gluten, my arthritis went away. 15 years later, and still no signs of arthritis.

Home-baked bread, without being massively nuked by added gluten, is much less damaging than industrial breads.

The point the picture demonstrates, that I believe is further echo'd by what you're saying, is GMO's are bad for you. Not wheat, not grains, but GMO's.

NuttBoxer says

The point the picture demonstrates, that I believe is further echo'd by what you're saying, is GMO's are bad for you. Not wheat, not grains, but GMO's.

I wouldn't blame it on the GMOs, I'd blame it on the highly processed wheat products most people eat...If people ate bread made with just natural ingredients, it would be a different story...but finding bread made naturally isn't easy...You have to make it yourself to be sure. It's even better to use a sourdough starter instead of YEAST. All that store bought sourdough is fake in my opinion.

WookieMan says

There was one biggie though for a while. Heartburn. I'm convinced Tums and the pills cause MORE heartburn. Stopped any of that crap about 5-6 years ago. Occasionally have what is minor heartburn, but I can drink and eat whatever I want now since I just stopped popping stuff to "relieve" it. Part of that is I completely cut fast food out of any part of my diet. You need sodium at some level, but fast food is notorious for it.

Yep! The only time I get heartburn is when I take my kids for pizza. And I noticed the same shit - tums makes it worse!

I slowly sip a beer or other highly carbonated beverage and it goes away, counter-intuitive but it works like a champ for me.

komputodo says

I wouldn't blame it on the GMOs, I'd blame it on the highly processed wheat products most people eat...If people ate bread made with just natural ingredients, it would be a different story...but finding bread made naturally isn't easy...You have to make it yourself to be sure. It's even better to use a sourdough starter instead of YEAST. All that store bought sourdough is fake in my opinion.

It's really awesome to make bread from complete scratch, with only the flour and a little salt being store brought. When the starter is on your windowsill catching the natural local yeasts.

Gives me a jolt of empowerment.

Another one was making my first beer from absolute scratch from all-grains. One day I'll get back into brewing, and after a few easier runs I'm going to make beer REALLY old-fashioned: No specific gravity measuring, no temperature measuring other than eyeball and hand, and see what I get.

AmericanKulak says

When the starter is on your windowsill catching the natural local yeasts.

I've tried this, but the results seem to vary a lot, probably because the local yeasts vary from day to day.

Same with sauerkraut. You just shred cabbage and wait, but sometimes it's better than other times.

Gluten insensitivity is real, and Celiac disease is real.

The propaganda against this ignores the approximately 10,000 years of "failure to thrive" deaths in the Fertile Crescent that effectively killed all children that couldn't tolerate gluten and thus bred races which were more resistant to the depredations of gluten.

Descendants of Northern Europeans (of which I am 100%) are particularly vulnerable. On my mother's side, she has a sister that is full blown Celiac. My own father died of late onset Type 1 diabetes, which was probably autoimmune-related. I myself was exhibiting allergies and the onset of arthritis until I cut out gluten and sugar 15 years ago. To this day, I can't complain of either.

Nobody argues against lactose intolerance or casein intolerance. It's real as well but doesn't jeopardize the agro-industrial complex.

Just ask Jordan Petersons daughter, who had autoimmune illnesses up the wazoo until she switched to a carnivore red meat diet.

All I and my family know is that when we eat a diet heavy in 100% grass fed meat with minimal gluten and processed shit, we are healthier, have more energy, and our GI's respond most gratifyingly.

I think it's a made up illness to distract from the nasty Franken wheat we're fed in our bread and pasta.

I really miss bread that made eatery selection decisions. When was the last time you ever heard someone rave about the bread somewhere.
It used to be daily topic everywhere. Some pasta was so good, that it was best served with salt, butter and garlic only. Now it's a nose turn upper.

Tenpoundbass says

I think it's a made up illness to distract from the nasty Franken wheat we're fed in our bread and pasta.

I really miss bread that made eatery selection decisions. When was the last time you ever heard someone rave about the bread somewhere.
It used to be daily topic everywhere. Some pasta was so good, that it was best served with salt, butter and garlic only. Now it's a nose turn upper.

That's part of it - artisanal breads have far less gluten than frankenfactory breads.

My point is that at a certain stage of life, people sensitive to gluten will have to avoid barley, wheat, and rye products to preserve their GI's if they're sensitive to gluten.

The good news is that there are complete foods like red meat, and combinations of near complete foods like eggs, cheese, potatoes, etc.

Get off the SAD illness treadmill and figure out on your own a diet that doesn't make you sick and promotes health and wellbeing.

All bread used to be artisanal bread.

A lot of wellbeing is frame of mind, if you let Youtube health videos convince you that you're ailing from some chronic disease. Then you're going to feel miserable and talk yourself into felling like crap all the time.

A big part of feeling rundown, tired, and fatigued is from shallow breathing. I have noticed after 40 from time to time, I will feel rundown. Then realize that I had been shallow breathing. As soon as I start taking in proper huffs of air, I start feeling energetic immediately, and the drowsiness goes away.

Especially if you have a deviated septum. I used to take Psuedephed, when it had the real shit in it. Since then I do nasal and sinus manipulation to keep my airpaths clear. it's important to keep the airways clear.

America will fall for any supplement or daily prescription program we're really stupid. It starts as some type of condition and follows up with meds take 2 a day. I'm 62 no health issues no doctor visits I also avoid dentists unless serious.