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Certainly many jews are poor. On average though they are the most highly privileged ethnic group on the world.

Midublin hillz says

The Original Bankster says

their core philosophy is unbridled elitism

They value material success and strive for occupations accordingly, just like chinese, japanese, koreans, indians, lebanese. It is a symptom of a wealthy society.

You cant compare jews to other groups, they are nothing like koreans or lebanese. They seem to favor this relativism when being criticized, butvwhen you shower them with complements or grant them land suddenly they unanimously agree they are special.

There is a big taboo against being a normalized citizen of tge host country. Military service, farming, even politics are generally discouraged in favor of doctor, lawyer, financer, anything thst makes money but isnt front facing.

So your jewish friends might think of themselves as jewish, but likely they are not well accepted by other jews.

Read the book The Thirteenth Tribe.

America has a way of naturally destroying the archaic concept of nationalism which is probably the key reason why in the long run it managed to outcompete other nations in aggregate standard of living. Ethnic groups who think they can proceed down a nationalistic path will come to a rude awakening. Along the same lines, both democrats and republicans who are nationalist leaning in united states will eventually end up changed by reality.

The hardest thing for jews to accept is that theyve been lied to.

That the history they inherited from their parents is bullshit. Bullshit that tells them theyre exemplary and chosen, but really they are the worlds biggest chumps and they do the dirty work for the worlds money powers. Many many israeli accept or suspect this because its all right in front of their faces. The see the lie up close. The most clueless group in the equation by far are boomer age american jews, whom israelis quietly despise. Sometimes not so quietly because these awesome pro Zionist jews arent the ones who die when America continually pushes them into a corner with no way out. Dont you find it strange that were friends with the Saudis, AND israel, and Saudi is the main support for the Palestinians and Al Queda?

Did you know that the first thing built in the Jewish state was an oil pipeline? It was built by one of the Rothschilds, whom a street in tel aviv is named after.

dublin hillz says

America has a way of naturally destroying the archaic concept of nationalism which is probably the key reason why in the long run it managed to outcompete other nations in aggregate standard of living. Ethnic groups who think they can proceed down a nationalistic path will come to a rude awakening. Along the same lines, both democrats and republicans who are nationalist leaning in united states will eventually end up changed by reality.

We have a constitution. Our own stone tablets and no one has the authority to change them without proper legal procedure. America has not abandoned nationalism even though some stupid homosexual freaks in san francisco decided it did. Where will these people be when the system goes broke? Israel? The only place where you can indulge in homosexuality in the mid east.

The Original Bankster says

America has not abandoned nationalism

America is a nation of immigrants and has arguably been a country that welcomed immigrants more than any other comparable nation in history. That is an antithesis of nationalism. Regarding nationalism, I think it's evident that bloodbath in middle east after WW2, Nationalist Socialists in germany, communist soviet union disfunction were all rooted due to evils and backwardness of socialism. Heck, look at the current conflict in ukraine! Nationalism stunts potential and essentially causes humanity to act like apes.

If you want to understand zionism, you need to recognize the fact that the political and social arrangement Was created specifically to have constant tension. This tension is used as a diversion from what is really happening, the politocal takeover of the mid east. Clearly the same parties supporting Zionism are also supporting Hamas. Wikileaks proved that netanyahu is actively cooperating with the saudis. Whenever they want to do something, they create some terror activity, then the idf responds by leveling the place, all properly justified and legal according to the un. Again most israelis will agree this is going on. Imagine living in a society where you can be called for potentially life threatening military operations at any moment, and possibly never come back. Do you think youre going to be very outspoken?

Israelis love this story of masada which may have been cpmpletely made up, which is about all the jews gloriously killing each other in a seige. I believe they are using this story to set the stage for something really horrible. Israel and zionism are not sustainable in the least and anyone who tries to fix it for israelis and palis gets killed. They are marching full speed towards war. How on earth could a state like israel exist there with the attitude it has. Its impossible but it continues anyway, mainly due to boomer american jews.

Bgamal youre generally correctvbut unfortunately seems you still have many of these modern fabrications in place. There no such thing as abjewish ethnicity. They were a group in europe with common religious beliefs, some common physical traits. They were often used as a kind of scab, when the peasants werent cooperating they would bring in jews to do the work and make money for the kings. Its a religion for bureaucrats, bankers and merchants. Most jews in the us know precisely nothing about it, their ideas go something likebthus,

Hanging out in the middle age europe cus we got kicked out of israel
Tra la la workin hard, eatin bagels and gefilte fish
Constantly persecuted for no reason, oy vey!
Finally big bad hitler comes and tries to kill us
Thankfully we escaped the clutches of hitler and bought a condo in malibu

Literally this is what most American Jews think.

bgamall4 says

Young American Jews are seeking assimilation and are against the occupation. I hope they are emboldened to speak out much more and they are starting to do so.

There was a big program to get this group on board. Popular kabbalah and birthright israel were part of it.

They are starting to wise up as to what Israel is about. I think its gonna start falling apart when this group really starts to organize. Many young israelis also hate zionism.

The Original Bankster says

Certainly many jews are poor. On average though they are the most highly privileged ethnic group on the world.

So privileged that millions of them were executed in WW2, along with Russian POWs, and Gypsies.
The Original Bankster says

You cant compare jews to other groups, they are nothing like koreans or lebanese. They seem to favor this relativism when being criticized, butvwhen you shower them with complements or grant them land suddenly they unanimously agree they are special.

Who ever heard of somebody who rejected any criticism, but accepted complements?

Jews really aren't like normal humans!

The Original Bankster says

They did it in germany, look at the frankfurt school, where every single liberal idea comes from.

But right-wingers always tell me it comes from Marx's points from the end of the Manifesto? Look, Progressive Taxation, just like Marx wanted!

Didn't the Frankfurt School emerge after the War, after the New Deal?

The Original Bankster says

Read the book The Thirteenth Tribe.

Genetic Studies suggest otherwise:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/08/ashkenazi-jews-are-probably-not-descended-from-the-khazars/#.Uuq9M6Hpti6
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Khazar_myth

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC18733/

Ashkenazi (European Jews) as a group lack East Asian genomes, something which other Turkic groups - like the Chuvash - despite 1000 years of being surrounded by Slavs and intermixing with them - still predominately retain. What Ashkenazi do have is significant genetic links to Near Eastern, Semitic population groups, despite a long sojourn in Europe, well above that of the typical European population. That is not to say there are NO European genes in Ashkenazi, there are plenty.

In any case, even if the Ashkenazi were all Khazars, it still doesn't explain Sephardic (Spanish and North African Jews) and other Jewish groupings. In fact, Ashkenazi Cohens (Katz, Kahane, Cohn, and other variants) have the greatest concentration of Middle Eastern genetics out of the whole group of Ashkenazi.

The Original Bankster says

Israelis love this story of masada which may have been cpmpletely made up, which is about all the jews gloriously killing each other in a seige.

It's not all about mass suicide, it's about resisting foreign occupation by the Romans. There is no doubt in the world that the Romans besieged the fortress, the doubt is about the numbers and the mass suicides.

Imagine, people turning a defeat into a heroic last stand worthy of song. I mean, who ever heard of such a thing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kosovo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Ch%27ongch%27on_River
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy

Those Jews, so unlike other humans.

Here's the deal Bgamall.

If a Jew did or said it, it's repeated and emphasized it's coming from a Jew.
If a non-Jew does or says something, it's because he's in the pay of the Jews.

That's what all the anti-Semites do and have done right here in this thread.

A Jew did or said it even if a non-Jew did or said it.

Also, that Warburg quote is unprovenced.

Actual Details
I could not find a source for this quite that was not on a conspiracy site or anti-Jewish site. It seems strange though, why would someone setting up the Federal Reserve System be talking about creating a one world government? Even back then, people realized that a one world government was difficult to come by, if not impossible. I attribute this quote to originating from anti-Semitic individuals who wish to demonize Paul Warburg for his Jewish heritage and show proof of a Jewish plan to rule the world.
Seen
Part III of Zeitgeist, The Movie

http://other.skepticproject.com/articles/quotes/view/21/paul-warburg-wants-to-bring-about-the-nwo/

BTW, I don't doubt that the Wealthy, including Banks and many other Industries, are trying to create a one-world commercial and legal system that benefits them, while allowing them to keep subsidies based on nationalism.

However, greed/class interest, rather than Judaism, is a far simpler and more explanatory reason.

EDIT: Especially given the tremendous number of Jewish activists that are opposed to Globalization and even Capitalism generally.

bgamall4 says

Here is the problem. You do the will of the Warburgs, and you get a job with UBS, like Phil Gramm, who robbed the middle class with the repeal of Glass-Steagall. Gramm was not Jewish, but he was a soldier for the NWO Zionist banksters.

being raised around jews you can start to believe how it is that jews are so often used for these purposes. They are incredibly immoral, as I mentioned before the typical jewish household is a materialistic mom and a morally weak father. theyre just highly corruptible weak people- and of course they are told that they come from the best stock on earth. Practically every jewish success story I know was not because they were smart, quite the opposite it was because they had the ability and willingness to lie to people. Sorry if this makes Jewish people mad, it's 100% true.

The Original Bankster says

They are incredibly immoral, as I mentioned before the typical jewish household is a materialistic mom and a morally weak father. theyre just highly corruptible weak people

This is an assertion.

Do you have evidence for this?

this is really what the religion is about(perhaps all religions are about, Judaism being the primary template), it's about taking what is your normal conscience intentions and replacing them with religious decrees. the religion attempts to replace what are natural inclination, love of family, country, humanity, with what are unnatural inclinations- dont eat pork and dont switch lights on a saturday and youre a good person.

Jews are the type of people whose brain works in such a way that it can fool itself into thinking it has done something correct. It's something that practically everyone has the ability to do, but Jews are particularly well suited for these kind of applications. This is why they do well in law primarily and other fields that are similar such as medicine.

It goes even back to the talmud. there are sections in there where they are arguing against God and they all get together and conclude that their logical assertions are actually more valid than supernatural divine intervention.

re. the points about Zionism, yes it's totally evil and that is the source of all the geopolitical economic problems were having. There have been many attempts by real Israeli sabras to make peace. You had better believe it was the Sharon/Netanyahu gang who had Rabin shot for attempting to make real peace.

thunderlips11 says

Do you have evidence for this?

what do you do for a living thunderlips?

The Original Bankster says

what do you do for a living thunderlips?

I work in the "Biggest Hidden Industry": Convention Organizing. I've also driven a taxi, run a drug store, made B2B sales for an IT Company, cleaned out service vehicles, performed background checks for HR, lubricated wooden moulds for concrete pillars, flipped burgers, and stocked shelves at a department store. And probably other jobs I can't remember off the top of my head.

Oh, and yes, for less than a year, worked as a Financial Advisor and hated it and my conniving psychopathic, greedy ex-Jock German-Irish Boss and the manipulative Italian fat boss who tried to strong arm me into putting clients into VULs and "Actively Managed" bottom 10% in performance of all mutual funds. I have a feeling this is the answer you are aiming for. This was one year out of the about two decades it's been since I've been a legal adult.

It might be - and I know this is way out of left field and possibly really far fetched - that the financial industry tends to attract more greedy manipulative shitheads than, say, nursing or hospitality. I totally confess in my naivete that I thought I would actually help people invest their money for retirement by putting them in Vanguard Index Funds and nagging them to make that monthly contribution, to buy term and invest the difference, rebalance between stocks and bonds as they got older, and all that stuff. Just like the commercials show "Financial Advisers" doing.

bgamall4 says

The Original Bankster says

being raised around jews you can start to believe how it is that jews are so often used for these purposes. They are incredibly immoral, as I mentioned before the typical jewish household is a materialistic mom and a morally weak father. theyre just highly corruptible weak people- and of course they are told that they come from the best stock on earth. Practically every jewish success story I know was not because they were smart, quite the opposite it was because they had the ability and willingness to lie to people. Sorry if this makes Jewish people mad, it's 100% true.

I don't think that adds to the conversation. If you want to talk about race rather than a political movement, perhaps this is the wrong place for you.

you can argue these things for years. when Jews want to be a race, usually when people criticize them, then theyre a race. When it's not convenient to be a race, in the case of conversion, or Israeli citizenship, or any other situation, magically they are a religion. your attempts to segregate 'zionists' from 'antisemites' is just a poorly shopped attempt to keep anyone from labeling you 'racist.

but your attempts to keep your persona squeaky clean of dirty non-PC viewpoints sure did work out well. It also proved your a spineless retard.

bgamal, no one really cares about your personal designations on this topic. Although your skewed and incomplete understanding of this area creates this artificial division of various categories, they dont exist anywhere else.

Im not claiming to have some distant biological connection to the Jewish race. I was raised Jewish. I speak some Hebrew. I've visited and worked in Israel twice. My actual name is obviously an Ashkenazi Jewish name.

I am eligible for Israeli citizenship under the Right of Return laws.

there are many Jews who do not agree with Zionism:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/bq6qsZ1poAI

oh and Scarlet Johansson huh? I nice gentile girl...

LOL.

If I remember correctly Patrick is half-Jew as well...

and also I'd like to note: I NOT PRO-PALESTINIAN.

I think both Zionists and the PLO were created by the same people for the same reasons- OIL, MONEY, POWER. The Palestinian movement is a kind of bizarre mix of communist politics and radical Islam that is funded by the kingdom of Saud, which was created by the British Empire. Iranians despise the saudis because they act on behalf of both Britain, US, and Israel. Iran has good reason to hate them, the 'West' has been !@#$ing with Iran for almost 100 years to get their hands on the oil there. The only reason why they didn't succeed is because Russia protects them.

if you want some more detail about my views on world politics, John Perkins is a good place to start. I find I agree with almost everything he says.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/IWQb5tM2XVY

they dont want American Jews to start acting like regular people. Hence NON-JEWS. this is why your categories are meaningless. Being anti-Zionist is being against the category of Jewish.

The American support for Israel is long standing. Most Jews don't really understand it or even know anything about the history of it. It's fairly obvious that American stance on Israel has been manipulated through various media for a very long time. Much of the history of the holocaust is a fraud. No one ever questions it because 1) jews have no reason to 2) non-jews are burned at the stake for it.

thunderlips is just repeating tired old tropes about Judaism and Jews that really, as concepts only are roughly 100 years old(if that). Much of it was first generated in Germany, then ported over here and added to and modified in various ways, and then we have the modern notion of 'Jew'. Atzmon explains all this in his book. Notice how this notion of 'Jew' is perfectly compatible with the model NWO citizen who adopts all the social engineering ideas and just kind of marches off to work. Haven't you noticed that Jews seem to be the early adopters of every form of insanity these social engineers come up with?

there are theories out there that there was suspicious cooperation between top Nazis and Jewish groups. I can't really say I support those claims but they are interesting. there have been a number of claims that Nazis actually SUPPORTED Zionism and the migration of Jews to Palestine. Kind of funny how NaZi and ZioN are almost the same words isn't it?

I see that Jamie Dimon, the Greek CEO of JP Morgan, got a pay raise.

Damn Jews.

The Original Bankster says

Haven't you noticed that Jews seem to be the early adopters of every form of insanity these social engineers come up with?

Yep, as I get tired of saying:

* Emma Goldman
* Bill Kristol
* Charles Krauthammer
* Leon Trotsky
* Leo Strauss
* Karl Popper
* David Horowitz
* Dennis Prager
* Alan Dershowitz

... are all social engineers of Liberalism... or Anarchism. or Conservativism, or Marxism, marching in lockstep with themselves and all the other Jews.

Or something.

Jews were all members of the International Bolshevik Conspiracy, then they were part of the NWO Capitalist Conspiracy.

bgamall4 says

The Original Bankster says

they dont want American Jews to start acting like regular people. Hence NON-JEWS. this is why your categories are meaningless. Being anti-Zionist is being against the category of Jewish.

That is BS. You can assimilate and be a Protestant, Catholic, independent Christian, Muslim, atheist, etc. You don't have to give up your personal beliefs to fit in to society in the USA. You are so tainted by your experience and you are blaming an entire race, except of course, yourself, which makes you a racist and a hypocrite.

you started off appearing as though you wanted to converse about this topic, now you're acting like a bombastic asswipe trying to peddle some cheesy e-book. Why would I want to read your e-book when there are far more credible witnesses to this whole mess than you?

thunderlips11 says

I see that Jamie Dimon, the Greek CEO of JP Morgan, got a pay raise.

Damn Jews.

"In 1983, Dimon married Judith Kent, whom he met at Harvard Business School. They were married by a rabbi, as Kent is Jewish."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Dimon

I know what youre feeling right now because I went through the same thing. I frantically defended the Jewish cause until I learned that it was all a big lie. the biggest suckers of all are people like you who defend it but never profit from it, and you're the fall guy who takes the blame when the public finally catches on.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/dRrP7AevKi4

that particular show is very old, and these kind of discussions were killed off decades ago. David Cole had to go into hiding for his outspoken beliefs.

thunderlips11 says

Jews were all members of the International Bolshevik Conspiracy, then they were part of the NWO Capitalist Conspiracy.

yes that's right.

both of these ideologies were used to profit, and it worked magnificently.

take Mexico. Mexicans have a lot of racial pride, but what few understand today is that the silly mexican image is really a caricature dreamed up by Trotsky and Frida Kahlo(also Jewish). Generally Mexico was a fully modernized place, even more developed than the US for a period. They took an emerging economy- early 20th century Mexico and turned it into a violent socialist state, America expanded into their territory and built California. AMOF the first mayor of Tucson was a Jew. Jews had come out to California the MOMENT it became American territory.

The Original Bankster says

"In 1983, Dimon married Judith Kent, whom he met at Harvard Business School. They were married by a rabbi, as Kent is Jewish."

So now it's married to a Jew gives you the Jew disease.

Does that mean when I married my Cuban wife, I danced better?

I still haven't seen a response as to why Jews are all over the political map, and we have to believe that each one, even down to unknown anonymous Jews who write on forums with wildly different positions, are all taking orders from some central authority of elongated sideburns.

bgamall4 says

How else do you explain Diane Feinstein saying free speech is a PRIVILEGE. Wake up Thunderlips. Another Zionist who isn't a Jew, Lindsay Graham said that bloggers should not have free speech rights.

I have a simpler, more direct explanation for Feinstein.

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