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What will be the Next Bubble?

By freak80 following x   2013 Sep 20, 4:25am 14,667 views   63 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


1999: tech bubble (it's the New Economy!)
2006: housing bubble (buy now or be priced out forever!!)
2011: gold & silver bubble (oh no, hyperinflation!!!)

What will be the next bubble?

There are billions of dollars sloshing around desperately chasing yield since interest rates are so low. Some of that money went into bonds, but then the "taper" talk freaked out the bond market. The Fed probably won't raise rates or reduce QE until the "real" economy gets better. This money has to go somewhere, right?

Stocks seem to have the momentum. Even with all the taper-talk, stocks have been going up.

What's your guess on the next bubble, if there is one?

#housing

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24   iwog   ignore (3)   2013 Sep 23, 3:42pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

dunnross says

iwog says

Dunross, you crack me up. I keep destroying everything you post, yet you keep coming back for more. Hilarious.

Like I said, I wish you all the best luck in your opium dream. If you are trying to convince anyone with that hilarious blip of a decline, and you are actually serious about it, then you're much dumber then I thought.

The decline isn't stopping. It's going to continue until December.

25   dunnross   ignore (6)   2013 Sep 23, 3:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

iwog says

The decline isn't stopping. It's going to continue until December.

Why? Do you intend to wake up from the opium dream in December? I don't think so.

26   iwog   ignore (3)   2013 Sep 23, 3:50pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

dunnross says

Why? Do you intend to wake up from the opium dream in December? I don't think so.

You're someone who has had a bloody horrible record in your economic predictions talking to someone who is on record, who can pull up threads right now, who got most of it correct.

Yet you still want to act like a child and say I'm delusional.

Shithead doesn't quite cover it.

27   freak80   ignore (4)   2013 Sep 23, 10:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

As Jim Cramer would say, Dumbross is in "The House of Pain!"

28   indigenous   ignore (0)   2013 Sep 24, 5:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Did any of yous predict the 2008 crash in real estate?

29   iwog   ignore (3)   2013 Sep 24, 5:45am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

indigenous says

Did any of yous predict the 2008 crash in real estate?

Yes. I dare say any real estate investor who was capable of buying at the bottom knew the crash was coming.

30   indigenous   ignore (0)   2013 Sep 24, 5:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

egads101 says

indigenous says

Did any of yous predict the 2008 crash in real estate?

the oracle did, of course!

I'm surprised. What did he base that on?

31   FortWayne   ignore (0)   2013 Sep 24, 6:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

indigenous says

Did any of yous predict the 2008 crash in real estate?

Actually many people predicted the 2006 crash, they just didn't know the exact date... but they knew it was coming to the end sooner or later. I remember looking online and seeing patrick.net (which was talking about these problems).

I was not in real estate, but economy was very odd so we all paid attention to what was going on. And myself I sort of felt that too. I knew our condo was "appraised" at about 500,000 since local realtors kept on spamming us with their flyers to "sell". Which just made no sense, because at half a million no soul in the world will be able to borrow and pay that kind of money for a small condo in our neighborhood. And like any system, when there are no buyers (or suckers in this case) to buy into the system... the system collapses. It was only a matter of time. A lot of people knew that.

I just hope that never happens again. Our nation, and the world, are still recovering.

32   indigenous   ignore (0)   2013 Sep 24, 6:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

ok now the only ones buying are investors. Doesn't that raise a red flag?

33   iwog   ignore (3)   2013 Sep 24, 6:22am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

indigenous says

ok now the only ones buying are investors. Doesn't that raise a red flag?

20% of people will buy at the bottom, 80% of people will sell at the bottom.

Do you think the investors that are currently investing in real estate represent the 20% or 80% better?

Warren Buffett is investing in real estate. Heavily.

34   indigenous   ignore (0)   2013 Sep 24, 6:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

iwog says

ndigenous says

ok now the only ones buying are investors. Doesn't that raise a red flag?

20% of people will buy at the bottom, 80% of people will sell at the bottom.

Do you think the investors that are currently investing represent the 20% or 80% better?

iwog says

indigenous says

ok now the only ones buying are investors. Doesn't that raise a red flag?

20% of people will buy at the bottom, 80% of people will sell at the bottom.

Do you think the investors that are currently investing represent the 20% or 80% better?

That may be true in a normal economy but now is not normal

35   iwog   ignore (3)   2013 Sep 24, 6:29am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

indigenous says

That may be true in a normal economy but now is not normal

How silly of me! Everything is different now........

36   indigenous   ignore (0)   2013 Sep 24, 6:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

iwog says

How silly of me! Everything is different now.......

I think so.?

37   indigenous   ignore (0)   2013 Sep 24, 6:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

sbh says

How far back and to which part of the planet would you go in order to find a normal economy as defined by the Anarcho-Austrians? I'm being serious, indiginous, I'm curious

1912

38   iwog   ignore (3)   2013 Sep 24, 6:43am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

indigenous says

iwog says

How silly of me! Everything is different now.......

I think so.?

Based on what? Your preconceived idea of what the world should look like?

39   Bellingham Bill   ignore (5)   2013 Sep 24, 6:47am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

iwog says

How silly of me! Everything is different now........

I can't see indigenous' posts and I'm not going to change my setting to see them, but everything is in fact different now.

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/FGTCMDODNS

Or, a tighter analysis:

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=mI4

real per-capita (ager 25-54) YOY federal debt expansion

Coupled with QE:

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=mI5

I don't pretend to understand the future all that well, but now is indeed not normal.

It might be the new normal though.

40   indigenous   ignore (0)   2013 Sep 24, 7:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

iwog says

Based on what? Your preconceived idea of what the world should look like?

Basically a market that not based on FED bubbles.

41   everything   ignore (1)   2013 Sep 24, 8:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Maybe a combination of all three, equities are at all time highs, gold and silver also .. near recent highs, RE .. looking great.

Who knows, maybe debt bubbles will be the next big thing.

42   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2013 Sep 24, 9:16am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

iwog says

Warren Buffett is investing in real estate.

When was that?

That's how it is for Warren: "Let's see: what am I going to buy today?"

Then, after he already bought something, he will tell idiot followers he invested in it.

He will never tell when he is dumping.

43   New Renter   ignore (11)   2013 Sep 24, 9:35am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Heraclitusstudent says

iwog says

Warren Buffett is investing in real estate.

When was that?

That's how it is for Warren: "Let's see: what am I going to buy today?"

Then, after he already bought something, he will tell idiot followers he invested in it.

He will never tell when he is dumping.

That's why HE's rich!

44   dunnross   ignore (6)   2013 Sep 29, 2:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

iwog says

Yes. I dare say any real estate investor who was capable of buying at the bottom knew the crash was coming.

I sold my house in 2006 and I presented a link of it before. Neither iwog nor roberto did that. I also started buying gold back in 2005 for $450/oz and the same link that I presented talked about that. Neither iwog nor roberto even knew about gold back then. When the gold price reaches $5000 in phase 3 of this bull market and silver will go to 200+, iwog will still be predicting $12/oz silver, and then, we will see who is hurting.

45   dunnross   ignore (6)   2013 Sep 29, 2:46am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Yes, and BTW, I also showed my etrade trading account where I show that I was actually shorting gold back in 2011. Neither iwog nor roberto have done that either. So, to summarize: I show you actual evidence, while both of them just spew BS. And you still think that I am hurting here.

46   indigenous   ignore (0)   2013 Sep 29, 2:49am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

dunnross says

I sold my house in 2006 and I presented a link of it before. Neither iwog nor roberto did that. I also started buying gold back in 2005 for $450/oz and the same link that I presented talked about that. Neither iwog nor roberto even knew about gold back then. When the gold price reaches $5000 in phase 3 of this bull market and silver will go to 200+, iwog will still be predicting $12/oz silver, and then, we will see who is hurting.

Can you tell me how the gold market can be manipulated by naked short selling?

47   dunnross   ignore (6)   2013 Sep 29, 3:17am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

egads101 says

you are of course a boldface liar. I remember that Rob guy, he posted links of all of his property deals. You? I don't recall it, post a link to it.

LOL. How can you even talk about somebody being a liar in the very same post that you are lying about your own identity. Or, might you be a dual-personality psychopath!

48   dunnross   ignore (6)   2013 Sep 29, 3:22am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

indigenous says

Can you tell me how the gold market can be manipulated by naked short selling?

Because COMEX doesn't require physical delivery and the short seller can simply extend his contract or the long side can agree to a cash payment. In fact, if it wasn't for the futures market, gold would be $5000 today.

49   indigenous   ignore (0)   2013 Sep 29, 3:24am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

dunnross says

In fact, if it wasn't for the futures market, gold would be $5000 today.

Iwog wants to know if this might be a FED conspiracy?

50   mell   ignore (1)   2013 Sep 29, 3:26am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

dunnross says

indigenous says

Can you tell me how the gold market can be manipulated by naked short selling?

Because COMEX doesn't require physical delivery and the short seller can simply extend his contract or the long side can agree to a cash payment. In fact, if it wasn't for the futures market, gold would be $5000 today.

We don't know the extent but there is certainly truth to this. Physical carries a premium around the world.

51   dunnross   ignore (6)   2013 Sep 29, 3:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

indigenous says

Iwog wants to know if this might be a FED conspiracy?

Of course it is. In fact, they are not even being too secretive about it. Otherwise, how would you explain JP Morgan short-selling 500 tons in a span of 30 minutes, when they know that people in China are standing in lines to buy physical.

52   indigenous   ignore (0)   2013 Sep 29, 3:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

dunnross says

Of course it is. In fact, they are not even being too secretive about it. Otherwise, how would you explain JP Morgan short-selling 500 tons in a span of 30 minutes, when they know that people in China are standing in lines to buy physical.

I know nothing about this. How can they do this, it seems like there would be no way the gold would go down?

53   dunnross   ignore (6)   2013 Sep 29, 3:58am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

indigenous says

Iwog wants to know if this might be a FED conspiracy?

The FED is an illegal cartel of too-big-to-fail banks, which dates back to 1913, when they were formed to conspire against everyone else. How can they be anything else but conspirants?

54   freak80   ignore (4)   2013 Sep 29, 10:18am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

So what will be the next bubble?

55   iwog   ignore (3)   2013 Sep 29, 12:06pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

dunnross says

I sold my house in 2006 and I presented a link of it before. Neither iwog nor roberto did that. I also started buying gold back in 2005 for $450/oz and the same link that I presented talked about that.

You're a liar. I caught you lying about the price of gold and the price you claimed was lower than the lowest price for the year. Furthermore your record of investment recommendations just in the last two years alone is so bloody horrible that you couldn't have possibly timed either the top of the RE market or $450 gold. You were caught telling someone to back up the truck on silver and to sell real estate in early 2012 and I posted THAT thread for everyone to see.

You're just making shit up.

56   iwog   ignore (3)   2013 Sep 29, 12:11pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Here's all the proof anyone needs that Dunross is lying his ass off.

http://patrick.net/?p=1229638&page=1#comments

57   dunnross   ignore (6)   2013 Sep 29, 12:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

iwog says

Here's all the proof anyone needs that Dunross is lying his ass off.

http://patrick.net/?p=1229638&page=1#comments

Yep, giving a link which doesn't even point to my post really proves something, right???? Go back to your opium dream, Mr. Ifag!

58   dunnross   ignore (6)   2013 Sep 29, 12:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

iwog says

You're a liar. I caught you lying about the price of gold and the price you claimed was lower than the lowest price for the year.

You've done nothing of the kind. I already explained that I started buying gold in 2005, not 2006.

59   ChapulinColorado   ignore (2)   2013 Sep 29, 2:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

egads101 says

dunnross says

I sold my house in 2006 and I presented a link of it before. Neither iwog nor roberto did that.

you are of course a boldface liar. I remember that Rob guy, he posted links of all of his property deals. You? I don't recall it, post a link to it.

We all know Roberto left to be become egads101, he thinks he is an oracle now.
Roberto.ribas@scottsdalecc.edu

Phone: (480)423-6775

http://robertoaribas.wordpress.com/

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60   Facebooksux   ignore (0)   2013 Sep 29, 3:03pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

The goddamn treasury bubble is the next bubble. Why OP even axed this question is beyond me.

61   FortWayne   ignore (0)   2013 Oct 1, 12:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Facebooksux says

The goddamn treasury bubble is the next bubble. Why OP even axed this question is beyond me.

I'm betting on healthcare, because that's where government is throwing all the money.

62   JH   ignore (0)   2013 Oct 1, 1:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

freak80 says

So what will be the next bubble?

Commodities. Look at the historical charts.

63   CDon   ignore (0)   2013 Oct 9, 12:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

While I generally don't care much about metals, I do care very much about honesty, and Dunross, if and when you do come back, explain to us why we should not treat everything you say as a lie?

Compare this:

dunnross says

Yes, and BTW, I also showed my etrade trading account where I show that I was actually shorting gold back in 2011. Neither iwog nor roberto have done that either. So, to summarize: I show you actual evidence, while both of them just spew BS. And you still think that I am hurting here.

to what you said in 2012

dunnross says

Unlike some of iwog's and other people's predictions, my predictions have
been right on the money every time. I have the record to prove it, as I showed
you the link to the post which I posted back in 2006 when I told everyone that I
sold my house and bought gold with the proceeds at $450/oz. Iwog doesn't have
anything like this. All he has is a bunch of links where he said that we are at
the bottom in housing in 2009, 2010, 2011 and now 2012.
As far as putting my
money where my mouth is, yes, I fully invested in both gold and silver, right
now
.

http://www.patrick.net/?p=1213969&page=2#comments

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