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Is that some kind of freedom we had or something? Americans can't even list the Bill of rights, much less know what side they're on. And unless the man on the teevee tells them what to be mad about, they just have to wait.

Straw Man says

How much time have you given conservatives to express their outrage before asking your question? All of 20 seconds?

I looked on news sites mostly...as in new...as in things get stale after 24 hours with our society's and media's ADD. I would bet you though that if it were Supreme Court Justice Kardashian weighing in, there would be widespread coverage.

Are you expecting a wave of outrage to hit Friday, or next week?

If they aren't mad now, when will they be?

Conservatives won't oppose it because it is under the guise of "law and order", which is the most insidious way our real rights get taken away. And a black man wasn't the one who suggested it too.

Waitingtobuy says

So conservatives are OK with maintaining a huge database of DNA prints, but not OK with background checks because it MIGHT (read: it won't because the bill said it is illegal) lead to a registry of gun owners?

Absolutely. And add to that
- strip searches for anyone arrested
- government tracking of your location at all time via cell phones
- illegal wiretapping under the Bush and Obama administrations

We should have a national gun registry. We shouldn't have our locations being tracked by government or our DNA recorded.

Hell, all guns should have GPS embedded in them so they can be tracked. Guns kill people; Angry Birds doesn't.

Straw Man says

Waitingtobuy says

The Supreme Court on Monday

How much time have you given conservatives to express their outrage before asking your question? All of 20 seconds?

Hey, if he's wrong, then let's see the conservative outrage. I'd love to hear them chant, "you can have my DNA prints when you pry them from my cold dead fingers". How much time do you need to rally the forces?

I don't get it.

The courts three most liberal judges are joined by the most conservative. I'm a bit surprised Thomas didn't oppose also. It's a libertarian position to oppose the collection of DNA in the manner described in this ruling and as such, it's no surprise that very conservative thinking people and very liberal thinking people would intersect on this matter.

I'm very outraged. This might be ok if it was based on conviction. But for arrest? Cops can literally make up any bullshit, arrest someone, and boot them 72 hours later with no charges filed. And unfortunately I've seen that exact scenario happen. Usually it's used to keep someone off the street for a bit, less commonly its used to fuck with someone a cop doesn't like.

Anyway, I've seen too much bs in the past 3-4 years to be surprised by anything. I'm sad at the day I'm depending on Ginsberg, Kagen, and Sotomayor to defend my civil rights granted in the constitutions and its amendments.

To me, the surprises were Scalia as dissent, and Breyer in the majority. Scalia has shown utter disdain for the Constitution with respect to defendants' rights. Look at how he feels about your Miranda rights. The others voted as I would have expected.

Sorry to say dodgerjohn, but you should feel grateful that Ginsberg, Kagen, and Sotomayor are willing to defend due process and our 4th Amendment protections. You may not like liberals, but most aren't willing to mess with your rights as a defendant and a guaranteed right to a trial, something progressives are mad at Obama about.

Waitingtobuy says

To me, the surprises were Scalia as dissent, and Breyer in the majority. Scalia has shown utter disdain for the Constitution with respect to defendants' rights. Look at how he feels about your Miranda rights. The others voted as I would have expected.

Sorry to say dodgerjohn, but you should feel grateful that Ginsberg, Kagen, and Sotomayor are willing to defend due process and our 4th Amendment protections. You may not like liberals, but most aren't willing to mess with your rights as a defendant and a guaranteed right to a trial, something progressives are mad at Obama about.

You haven't paid much attention to Supreme Court rulings have you?

Hint: look what happened when the ruled on eminent domain an explain to me once again how much the liberals on the Supreme Court care about the constitution as written and how it protects individual rights.

Well, that's true and you raise a good point. The Kelo decision should have stated that the plaintiff should at least been entitled to just compensation for letting her property rot. Remember, Kennedy, no liberal, joined the majority.

I'm referring to due process as it pertains to criminal law. Liberals on the Court have more in common with Libertarians than police state justices like Thomas, Roberts, Scalia, and especially Alito.

He's really fucked it up good, hasn't he?

dodgerfanjohn says

I'm a bit surprised Thomas didn't oppose also.

Me too. I thought he only voted like massa Scalia told him to.