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thomaswong.1986 says

Terrorist have no human and civil rights.. you can check with the British, Israeli, Japanese, Germans and Italian Govt as they dealt with their own terrorists.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. George Washington and all the founding fathers were terrorists according to Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act. Are you saying that our founding fathers have no human and civil rights?

The problem is who gets to decide who is the terrorist. Our military is the largest terrorist organization, including by the definition in the USA PATRIOT ACT as well as by the conventional definition. Our military deliberately tries to inflict terror into the enemy, no different from Al Qaeda. Are you saying that our soldiers have no human and civil rights?

Let's look at Section 802 of the Patriot Act. Terrorism is any act or acts that

appear to be intended--

`(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

`(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

`(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

Gee, that describes Seal Team 6 taking out Bid Laden as well as the military taking out Saddam and a hell of a lot of U.S. military actions over the past 100 years.

Not only is the label terrorist arbitrary, but there have been plenty of completely innocent people tortured and murdered by the U.S. under the pretense of combating terrorism. Anyone who believes that those innocent people are acceptable collateral damage is as bad as any terrorist.

John Bailo says

Kevin says

No totalitarian regime has ever seized power without popular support. Ever.

Colonialism?

Vichy France?

Pinochet?

Hell, you could add Sparta and Rome to that list. That's how far back it goes.

thomaswong.1986 says

and the nations who are victims of terrorism ignore it as they should...

ask the Brits about the Irish terrorists some time.

Or ask the Irish about hundreds of years of British terrorism and atrocities. I'm descendent from both so I can objectively say that the British were vile scum when they stole from and butchered the Irish.

Of course, even to the Brits, the Irish rebels were nothing compared to those damn American terrorists in the late 1700s.

IDDQD says

Taliban seems pretty successful at denying our government a desired outcome in Afghanistan, even though their rusty AK-47s and crude IEDs are no match for the sophisticated weaponry US military has deployed there.

Our government has a desired outcome in Afghanistan? Why is it keeping it a secret?

IDDQD says

Taliban seems pretty successful at denying our government a desired outcome in Afghanistan, even though their rusty AK-47s and crude IEDs are no match for the sophisticated weaponry US military has deployed there.

Actually, this suggests that guns can only cause chaos in such a situation. If guns were effective in stopping an occupation by a malevolent force -- and our military certainly is malevolent towards the Afghans -- then the Afghan resistance should have ended our occupation by now.

I don't find the argument that no restrictions on guns will turn America into Afghanistan to be a convincing argument against gun control.

IDDQD says

Taliban seems pretty successful at denying our government a desired outcome in Afghanistan,

That's really easy to do when the US government has no clue whatsoever what the desired income they are trying to achieve is.

Dan8267 says

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Oh Dan.. I have no doubt you would lick the Cream off Osama' or any Islamic terrorists
ass any place any time.. and ask for more.

In many of our posts over the past year.. all you spout is anti-US, anti-white and anti-religion.

You might as well be some prick in North Korea...

Dan8267 says

Not only is the label terrorist arbitrary, but there have been plenty of completely innocent people tortured and murdered by the U.S. under the pretense of combating terrorism. Anyone who believes that those innocent people are acceptable collateral damage is as bad as any terrorist.

What you call innocent is typically some already professed terrorist anyway.

thomaswong.1986 says

Oh Dan.. I have no doubt you would lick the Cream off Osama' or any Islamic terrorists

ass any place any time.. and ask for more.

In many of our posts over the past year.. all you spout is anti-US, anti-white and anti-religion.

You might as well be some prick in North Korea...

And comments like this is why everyone thinks you're an ass.

When you grow up and want to discuss grown up issues like an adult call me. Till then, sink back to whatever pubescent wacking hole you crawled out of.

I can't imagine how racist you must be to think that anything I've ever said was anti-white. I can't image how much of a pseudo-patriotic nationalist slim you must be to think that anything I've ever said was anti-US (a real patriot criticizes his government and seeks to change it).

As for anti-religion, well, yes, I'm anti-religion for the exact same reason I'm anti-murder. It's fucking evil. Of course, you're every bit as anti-religion as I am when it comes to anyone else's religion.

Dan8267 says

Agreed, except for the part about karma. Karma's just a myth, like heaven and hell, to allow people to delude themselves that no injustice goes uncorrected.

Joseph Stalin died fat and happy on the couch of natural causes at the age of 74, I believe. For somebody born in the late 19th Century, 74 was a very long life.

zzyzzx says

thomaswong.1986 says

Dan8267 says

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

For example:
Nelson Mandela
Gerry Adams

Thedaytoday says

thomaswong.1986 says

Dan8267 says

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

For example:

Nelson Mandela

Gerry Adams

George Washington
Sam Adams
John Hancock