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Meet the Grandpa of Obamacare

http://www.youtube.com/embed/QUFAcbUw-E8

Meet the 'Grandfather of Obamacare'

States rights vs. Federal Tax....big difference.

The dude is running for President of the United States.

United States.

Not Governor.Not Mayor. President.

The only difference is the Repukes didn't pass healthcare themselves.

They are bitter.

This was also a right wing think tank , the heritage foundation policy.

You miss the point. States have the right to implement this type of healthcare if they choose. They did and if it's right for them then great. The issue conservatives have is that at the Federal level this is a tax and regulates across state boundaries. That's the issue, not who passed it. Romney can be for state healthcare and opposed to a federal plan without being called a "Repuke" or whatever that is.

no you miss the point.

He is running for President of the United States,

Not President of some of the country.

You do know that the "STATES RIGHTS" argument is a racist dog whistle?

How quick the debate goes to race when the argument is devoid of facts. Yep, that Constitution is sure racist:

The Tenth Amendment (Amendment X) to the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791.[1] The Tenth Amendment states the Constitution's principle of federalism by providing that powers not granted to the federal government nor prohibited to the States by the Constitution are reserved to the States or the people.

In modern times, the Commerce Clause has become one of the most frequently-used sources of Congress' power, and thus its interpretation is very important in determining the allowable scope of federal government.

tdr says

How quick the debate goes to race when the argument is devoid of facts. Yep, that Constitution is sure racist:

Really!

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_politics

1 States' rights
2 Religious, class, and race-baiting
3 Homophobia
4 Abortion foes
5 Fringe Christian sects

States' rights

The best known example of this is the love some older conservatives have for "states' rights." When segregation became unpopular, many old pro-segregationists began instead calling for "states' rights", meaning of course the right of the individual states to segregate and discriminate (or, in the pre-Civil War American South, enforce slavery). Since then, many civil rights leaders have been able to show the connections behind the phrase, but that doesn't stop hard-right Ron Paul supporters from continuing to use it. These days, it's used by people in red states to justify tighter immigration law (i.e. racial profiling) and toying with Roe v. Wade by restricting abortions.

Yep, that's exactly what they had in mind when the 10th Amendment was passed on December 15, 1791. That constitution is sure tricky. Code words, whistles and animals? C'mon dude, this is why the 10th Amendment was passed?

"Dog whistle politics usually refers to the use of certain code words or phrases that are designed to be understood by only a small section of the populace. Generally speaking, these are phrases that have special meaning to that subsection entirely independent of its meaning to others, and represent a particularly insidious use of loaded language.

The term alludes to the sound of a dog whistle, which can only be heard by the intended audience (the dog). In theory at least, dog whistle terms are only noticed and understood by the people they are intended for. "

Your obviously deaf to the whistle.

But it is clearly there.

Read this from Newt the other day.

http://nation.foxnews.com/newt-gingrich/2012/09/26/gingrich-obamas-part-timer-not-real-president

"GINGRICH: Well, but you have to wonder what he's doing. I mean, I'm assuming there's some rhythm to Barack Obama that the rest of us don't understand, whether he needs large amounts of rest, whether he needs to go play basketball for a while. I don't, you know, watch ESPN. I mean, I don't quite know what his rhythms are."

He calls the President, a lazy black man while being President.

Says he's sleepy, plays basketball and watches ESPN

Why do you think?

Those dog whistle politics are a disgrace to civilization.

Politicofact says

Says he's sleepy, plays basketball and watches ESPN

Why do you think?

Those dog whistle politics are a disgrace to civilization.

These Are Not The Droids You Are Looking For

I normally wouldn't interject in to a race-baiting conversation, but seriously. How do you get "lazy black man" from what Gingrich says? I'm no fan of Gingrich, but clearly the POTUS has made known his love of basketball, sports, music... and he seems so vacation often. Either way, at times, he does look tired (as all presidents do). So I think you're reading WAY too much into it. Doesn't surprise me. Standard seriously polarized politcal viewpoints.

Jeremy says

I normally wouldn't interject in to a race-baiting conversation, but seriously. How do you get "lazy black man" from what Gingrich says?

Are you blind?

A) " requires large amounts of rest,"
B) " I'm assuming there's some rhythm to Barack Obama that the rest of us don't understand"
C) "whether he needs to go play basketball for a while"
D) " I don't quite know what his rhythms are."
E) "I don't, you know, watch ESPN"

are you paying attention

read the entire transcript

Politicofact says

Jeremy says

I normally wouldn't interject in to a race-baiting conversation, but seriously. How do you get "lazy black man" from what Gingrich says?

Are you blind?

A) " requires large amounts of rest,"

B) " I'm assuming there's some rhythm to Barack Obama that the rest of us don't understand"

C) "whether he needs to go play basketball for a while"

D) " I don't quite know what his rhythms are."

E) "I don't, you know, watch ESPN"

are you paying attention

read the entire transcript

These Are Not The Droids You Are Looking For

A: My brother is white, and requires large amounts of rest.

B: "marches to the beat of his own drum" - a very common saying.

C: BO has verbalized his love of basketball numerous times.

D: See point B above

E: Gingrich is old, and a little out of touch, but that doesn't make him a racist

You're a lawyer? Jeez.

Jeremy says

You're a lawyer? Jeez.

I know right?

tdr says

States rights vs. Federal Tax....big difference.

It used to be a big difference, until John Roberts decided to obliterate it. Now the federal government can tax identically situated people differently based solely on their religion, and can penalize people of disfavored religions for the pre-crime that they may be more likely to transgress somehow in the future. If you don't have insurance and you're a Jehovah's witness, you're OK, but if you don't have insurance and you're Jewish or atheist, you're penalized for the pre-crime that in future you may be more likely to shift medical costs onto someone else. (Nevermind that insurance is fundamentally about cost-shifting, and this becomes especially true with mandatory insurance. Cost-shifting is bad when insurance companies don't get a cut, but it somehow becomes good when insurance companies do get a cut because they share that $ with lobbyists and politicians.) Next Congress can tax Catholics for giving wine to children, or Rastafarians for the pre-crime of smoking the ganja without the necessity of actually apprehending them with evidence of having done so. Prior to 2010, Romney advocated RomneyCare as a national model; then he saw it was unpopular, so "multiple choice Romney" changed his position. It isn't about race, it's about federal power and especially lobbyists' power and revenue. It's a lot of power for the federal government, and few in the federal capital stand against arrogating more power to themselves. Roberts' decision further empowers his federal colleagues and hugely enriches his former law firm partners.

Jeremy says

brother

Your brother? WTF?

Your brother is not black, your brother is not the President.

Have you lost it or are you plain ignorant of the facts?

Obviously your only making excuses, you say as much about Newt being old, NO EXCUSE. He knew 100% what he was saying, It was planned racist propaganda.

Your not making any sense, but your making excuses for blatant racist remarks.

Your white brother, lol.

Your also putting words in newts mouth, don't.

He said these things and more:

A) " requires large amounts of rest,"

B) " I'm assuming there's some rhythm to Barack Obama that the rest of us don't understand"

C) "whether he needs to go play basketball for a while"

D) " I don't quite know what his rhythms are."

E) "I don't, you know, watch ESPN"

Jeremy , also Newt was discussing the President and not your brother in esoterically terms.

curious2 says

It used to be a big difference, until John Roberts decided to obliterate it.

Spot on with your statement.

Politicofact says

Obviously your only making excuses, you say as much about Newt being old, NO EXCUSE. He knew 100% what he was saying, It was planned racist propaganda.

Your not making any sense, but your making excuses for blatant racist remarks.

*you're

ummm.... oh, and *you're again

You're a Lawyer? Jeez.

Call it Crazy says

He's NOT a lawyer... he just clicked that box on his profile page... anyone can click that box.

Exactly. Another user pretends to be a math teacher, then posts comments apparently intended to embarrass the teachers' union and public education. "On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog."