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Three Types of Foreclosures - "Fairness" and Today's deal.


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2012 Feb 9, 11:33am   1,463 views  4 comments

by EastCoastBubbleBoy   ➕follow (2)   💰tip   ignore  

Two Types of Foreclosures

Thinking about today’s housing news, trying to sort it all out. At the end of the day there are two (perhaps three) “types” of foreclosure. The first is what I would call the “traditional” foreclosure. Someone falls on hard times – medical issue, loss of job or major cut in hours and/or wages and, divorce, or similar. They’ve made the payments to date, but try as they might, they can’t keep up, and despite the best of intentions.

The second is a “bubble” foreclosure. These people borrowed the absolute maximum they could qualify for, put little if anything down up front, and even cashed out equity on one or more occasion, spending it on anything from new cars to vacations to paying juniors tuition.

The third would be the one who makes a business decision based on the current value of the home, relative to the amount owed and voluntarily turn the house back over to the bank via the foreclosure process.

Any “solution” to the housing crisis should not treat these cases the same. Reducing principle for someone who truly has fallen on hard times – there’s valid arguments for and against. Reducing principle for people who have already “benefited” via cash out refinancing or made money hand over fist flipping during the boom years. Hard to justify a handout for these cases.

Not only that – but what about when prices start rising again? Do these same people get to keep any future equity that is directly attributable to today’s principle reduction? If someone “paid” $400,000 for a house in 2008 – but they get $20,000 knocked off their loan – does that mean they really paid only $380,000? Can I as a non-owner sue the industry for intentional misrepresenting the asset price and using monopolistic practices to overcharge for a basic human necessity? (OK – probably not, but it exemplifies how much of a slippery slope this sort of an agreement creates)

Not only that – why give people “improperly foreclosed on” $2000? Granted there are probably a handful of people who were foreclosed upon despite the fact that they were current in their payment. But I’d be willing to bet that the majority of people who suffered from an “improper foreclosure” probably would have been legitimately foreclosed upon when all was said and done had the foreclosure proceeded properly. The robosigining is just a smokescreen and a stall tactic to help people stay in their homes (rent / mortgage free) longer. At the end of the day, these people didn’t pay and thus, should have been foreclosed upon. It doesn’t excuse the banks for not following procedure – but the idea that you now pay these people for their “troubles”. I just don’t see how this deal benefits the long term goal – stable house prices and true economic growth.

I’m part of the one third of American who don’t own a home. Who’s representing my voice in this mess? Is there any good that will come out of this deal? Fair or foul? What was the NAR’s role (if any) in the negotiation process? And most importantly what do you guys and gals make of it? Will it help, hurt, or have no real impact?

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1   NoBama Backer but not on this one   2012 Feb 9, 12:15pm  

In Obama's "Fairness" doctrine, how is this equation possible: "The settlement also includes about $17 billion that would go toward foreclosure-prevention measures, such as lowering the loan balance for borrowers who owe more than their homes are worth." ????????

This is one completely pointless "settlement", for several reasons:

1. Banks make their $$ from consumers, i.e. Bank Customers. They will make every $$ of this so called "settlement", which does not settle lawsuits, from the same bank customers. Whether you have a mortgage or not, this "hit" is coming.

2. There was no question on whether the individuals who were foreclosed should have been foreclosed. The issue is only about how paperwork was processed. So, paying those individuals "$2000", while they have the right to sue the banks, what certainty or comfort does it bring to either the country, markets (both stock and housing) or the "victims"?

3. Mortgage reduction opportunity: This claim is a good sound bite for political rallies, state of the Union speech, etc. But for 17B, which they claim will assist up to 1M borrowers, thats 17,000/household. A person who purchased an average 0-20yr old single family home in Bowie, MD, for example, in 2004-2008, took out a guestimate mortgage of $550,000 for it. Today, that same home, is worth, if lucky, about $350,000. What would a 17K reduction in principle do? Probably one will have to refi to get the reduction :-), and the cost for that alone is not less than 5K/refi. How will they select who wins this "lottery"?

2   tatupu70   2012 Feb 10, 12:34am  

NoBama Backer but not on this one says

Banks make their $$ from consumers, i.e. Bank Customers. They will make every $$ of this so called "settlement", which does not settle lawsuits, from the same bank customers. Whether you have a mortgage or not, this "hit" is coming.

Wrong--there are banks that are not subject to the settlement. All you have to do is switch to a smaller bank that won't have to charge new or increased fees. That's how a free market should work. Companies that make bad decisions (poor underwriting) lose and those that don't win.

NoBama Backer but not on this one says

There was no question on whether the individuals who were foreclosed should have been foreclosed. The issue is only about how paperwork was processed. So, paying those individuals "$2000", while they have the right to sue the banks, what certainty or comfort does it bring to either the country, markets (both stock and housing) or the "victims"?

The purpose of the settlement isn't comfort. It's following the law.

NoBama Backer but not on this one says

and the cost for that alone is not less than 5K/refi.

You need to shop around a little more. Refis do not cost $5K. Especially if you take a little higher than market rate--which is still probably 2-3% better than what many, many underwater homeowners currently have.

3   PockyClipsNow   2012 Feb 10, 1:33am  

these principal reductions will be happening just in time for an election year! whata coinky dink.

4   tdr   2012 Feb 10, 9:44am  

As much as I dislike the idea, if banks want to reduce principal, that's their business. However, when that action is being paid for by taxpayers I have to totally disagree. The government intervention continues to make things worse, not better.

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