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HLN Poll
Zimmerman Trial | See all 138 items
Do you think Zimmerman will be acquitted?
8:07 PM EDT, Fri June 28, 2013
72% Yes
28% No

http://www.hlntv.com/poll/2013/06/28/point-do-you-think-zimmerman-will-walk

marcus says

SoftShell says

Yeah, sure, sounds like zimmy snuck up on martin and beat the crap out of him before shooting him.

This guy is in a conversation with himself. He niether hears nor comprehends anything anyone else says.

So if that red line is correct, what is martin doing walking through peoples back yards when the public sidewalks are a stone's throw away??

Call it Crazy says

marcus says

So if you're a black man, and this strange guy follows you, and catches up to you and reaches in to his pocket, in the same way he would reach to get his gun, you're not going to freak out ?

I don't think it went just like that....

Bap33 says

add that to the fact that you had no trouble putting the weight of acceptable behavior on the clean and sober guy

Oh you mean the guy with the gun ? THe one who used it unnecessarily?

By the way. THC in blood does not mean TM was high.

Also, newsflash, GZ took prescription drugs that many would consider more dangerous and more hardcore than weed. He took speed in the form of aderal and ritalin for his ADHD.

Side effect of these drugs (amphetamines) include irritability, hyperactivity and personality changes. Maybe it was Zimmerman's drug use that caused him to ignore police request, and confront TM, assuming TM was an "asshole that was getting away,"while carrying a loaded gun.

SoftShell says

So if that red line is correct, what is martin doing walking through peoples back yards when the public sidewalks are a stone's throw away??

It looks like that's the way the complex is designed. Public sidewalks go through (between) buildings.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-convicted-murder-manslaughter/story?id=19598422

Analysis: George Zimmerman Probably Won't Be Convicted of Murder or Manslaughter -- Here's Why

". If jurors believe Zimmerman followed Martin, maybe even racially profiled him and initiated the altercation, can Zimmerman still legally claim he needed to defend himself and walk free? Yes."

marcus says

caused him to ignore police request,

nothing of this sort happened. ever. a 911 operator aint "police".

the 911 call by GZ was made BEFORE any race was known ... incase that matters to marcus.
the illegal and excessive drug abuse by TM happened before the race was known.
Since TM had no job, how did he pay for drugs, skittles, and tea?
Calling thieves assholes is not a crime. Thinking a person lurkling in the shadows, in the dark, in the rain, might be a thief, and therefor an asshole, is understandable and not a crime. Socking a dude is a crime. Socking an armed man who is questioning your reason for lurking, dresing, and acting like the criminal element in the area is a crime, and stupid. Defending yourself against such an attacker is required for survival. Good people standing silent is all evil needs to prevail. Right? GZ was doing the right thing as a good person. He never would have been arrested if not for the games played by mass media. GZ commited no crime. When will Spike Lee get arrested? Or the dude that edited the tapes to sound racist? I know, I know, it's all ok with the lefties as long as the dope keeps getting smoked and F-en crackers stand around and take it, like they are supposed to.

Bap33 says

nothing of this sort happened. ever. a 911 operator aint "police"

Sometimes it's a police dispatcher, that one is patched through to.

Bap33 says

the 911 call by GZ was made BEFORE any race was known ... incase that matters to marcus

Then you haven't listened to it. In the same conversation where he says these asholes always get away, GZ said he looks black.

Bap33 says

Calling thieves assholes is not a crime

Even calling random citizens assholes (implying criminal assholes) when there isn't even a medium probability that they are criminal is not a crime either. But it gives insight into the level of culpability that I hold GZ to.
Bap33 says

acting like the criminal element

Back to ignore for you, fucking moron. By your idiocy half of teenage boys out there are acting like the criminal element. You're a sad small litttle man Bap. Racist twit.

The tragic thing about the case is how many people jumped to conclusions before they knew the facts. Many conservative commentators claimed early on that Zimmerman had acted improperly (Mona Charen, Rich Lowry, Heather Mac Donald, Robert VerBruggen, and Gregory Kane).

Comments by President Obama, Al Sharpton, and others surely stirred up the racial aspects of the case and appear to have generated many case across the country where blacks attacked whites to avenge Trayvon Martin (e.g.,Gainesville, Florida; Oak Park, Illinois; Mobile, Alabama; Toledo, Ohio; Grand Rapids, Michigan; and Norfolk, Virginia).

It is a case that prosecutors should never have brought, but they let politics influence their decision.

Next, it will be the defense’s turn to present their case. But, for all practical purposes, the Zimmerman trial is already over.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/07/05/zimmerman-trial-is-already-over/#ixzz2YSnkX123

martin's path, a couple posts above this one, in red, is not on the public pathways. It's in people's backyards.

marcus says

SoftShell says

So if that red line is correct, what is martin doing walking through peoples back yards when the public sidewalks are a stone's throw away??

It looks like that's the way the complex is designed. Public sidewalks go through (between) buildings.

SoftShell says

is not on the public pathways.

Incorrect. Those are common area walkways. This is a typical layout for cookie cutter apartment complexes. By your own logic, Zimmerman was also "not on public pathways". If you notice, there are no sidewalks on the streets but only driveway access.

You dumb shit. Do I have to argue both sides due to your incompetence?

Here is a link from a forensic audio expert that seems to enhance your case.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/BpH8M6tATU4

He almost had me to the point where I was considering changing my mind, until he revealed he extracted all this from the "Mother Earth" liberal leftest wing-nut website. That in and of itself invalidated most of the evidence he presented.

He tries to entice the listener to compare a calm zimmerman voice in the 911 call, versus someone being pummeled to death, expecting you to conclude that the screams cannot possibly be zimmerman since they don't sound the same. Now who the hell sounds the same in those two different scenarios?

I also like the chaser he added "these assholes always get away". He does not quote any of the other comments that would tend to exonerate zimmerman, such as his observation that martin was acting suspicious. He plays only the statement that would tend to convict zimmerman if taken by itself.

This idiot blew his professional integrity in this youtube clip.

marcus says

SoftShell says

So if that red line is correct, what is martin doing walking through peoples back yards when the public sidewalks are a stone's throw away??

It looks like that's the way the complex is designed. Public sidewalks go through (between) buildings.

So are you saying that the grassy area between point 1 and 3, where the red line is and which appears to be the backyards of the people living there, is a public pathway?

Philistine says

SoftShell says

is not on the public pathways.

Incorrect. Those are common area walkways. This is a typical layout for cookie cutter apartment complexes. By your own logic, Zimmerman was also "not on public pathways". If you notice, there are no sidewalks on the streets but only driveway access.

seems like zimmerman is walking on the "concrete" public pathway between points 1 and 3, while martin is walking suspiciously close to peoples back doors on the grass between points 1 and 3. By the original location of zimmerman's truck, this would be where he first noticed martin in the dark and rain. Why would martin walk so close to people's backdoors in the wet and cold grass, instead of walking on the cement public pathway? That sure looks suspicious to me, be it a 60yr old white dude or anyone else.

The more I look at martin's path, the more suspicious it becomes. He could be looking into people's back porches to see if there is anything to steal. Who walks in wet cold grass in february in the dark and rain, instead of a public concrete sidewalk only 20 feet away??

SoftShell says

So are you saying

You're being disingenuous. There are paved walkways that go between the buildings in the "backyard" areas. Not sure what your point is, but you should just come out and say it.

Look at the map above.
Where do you see a 'paved walkway' between points 1 and 3?

Philistine says

SoftShell says

So are you saying

You're being disingenuous. There are paved walkways that go between the buildings in the "backyard" areas. Not sure what your point is, but you should just come out and say it.

The paved walkway between points 1 and 3 starts halfway between these points, but martins path is not on the walkway between these points. It's suspiciously close to people's backdoors and porches.

Once again, who walks on the cold wet grass in the dark of night between points 1 and 3, suspiciously close to people's backdoors, instead of taking the concrete street and pathways??

If you are a community watch person, you would not think that was suspicious regardless of race, age, gender, given the weather conditions and time of night??

According to this analysis, It would seem that TM probably just changed his path to be away from the road, and the weird weasel that was following him, but was on or close to public sidewalks the whole time.

marcus says

Bap33 says

nothing of this sort happened. ever. a 911 operator aint "police"

Sometimes it's a police dispatcher, that one is patched through to.

and police officer will say, "this is officer so-n-so." A dispacher says, "911 whats your emergency". But, until your boy Lord Barry and his minions change the laws, you do not take orders from anyone over the phone no matter who they say they are. You are a free American, and have a right to defend life, liberty, and treasure of yours and your fellow Americans, from the hands of tyrants in Gov or tyrants in the bushes. You do not have to do what a 911 call answering person says -- ever. You do not have to do what a person who claims to be a cop tells you over the phone either --- ever. WHy is it so hard for you to grasp this? You work in a classroom environment where kids have been twisted into thinking it is ok to question American history, American excellance, and the Christian anchor or the American soul. Question question question ... but, for some reason you all of a suddent want a robotic response to some 911 operator when a man faces true danger?? Once again, the obvious issue is the fact that you have never been in a sober, adult, physical confrontational situtaion.

as for the name calling rant and putting me "back on ignor!!" I don't recall that I ever was on ignore, and you could have done so without an announcement, and why you reduce yourself to name calling makes no sense man, you are a teacher for Christ sake ... use that $50K vocabulary.

Well, this chart is completely different than the other one above. It shows trayvon sticking to the concrete, not the grass close to people's backyards. So which one is correct and why? This is a critical point in determining if Trayvon was truly acting suspicious.

marcus says

ccording to this analysis, It would seem that TM probably just changed his path to be away from the road, and the weird weasel that was following him, but was on or close to public sidewalks the whole time.

Bullshit. It's not suspicious either way. If he walked where you say, there is no sidewalk there, only street. "OH my god, he walked on the grass where there is no sidewalk. That's so suspicious. "

"Trayvon's killa is gonna walk"

Democratic Process & Rule of Law's killas are gonna walk TOO.

Perhaps if you pulled your head outta your butt for at least a nanosecond you'd be able to prioritize issues better?

"I" don't say it. The picture says it.
And if the picture is correct, he is walking too close to people's back doors between #1 and #3 in the dark cold rain.

marcus says

If he walked where you say, there is no sidewalk there, only street.

martin's walk in the grass, between #1 and #3, takes him too close to peoples back porches to not be considered suspicious. It's not that he 'walked on the grass'. It's that he practically walked into peoples back porches. In the rain. In the dark. If that is not suspicious to you it's only because you live in a guarded elitist community, sheltered from the real world where walking off the public pathways, within 10 feet of private patios, in the dark, in the cold, in the rain is considered a 'no-no' and could get you in a lot of trouble given the crime history in the area.

marcus says

"OH my god, he walked on the grass where there is no sidewalk. That's so suspicious. "

Oh, forgive me. I forgot!
It's not 'PC' to tell it like it is.....

Well, that's nice of you to say. But you are not the medical examiner, with the proper medical training to make this call. This person, in today's testimony, is qualified.

Defense attorney Don West says the medical examiner now says that THC from marijuana would have some affect on Martin's thinking. He also points out that Zimmerman said Martin looked like he was on "drugs or something." Martin was also swaying on surveillance video from 7-Eleven, according to West, and a lighter was found on him. He argues that the amount of marijuana found in Martin's system had some impact on his judgment and is very relevant to the case

marcus says

By the way. THC in blood does not mean TM was high.

Even Treyvon Martin's own father doesn't think it was his son screaming on the recording.....

The police said Martin told them it wasn't his son screaming on the call. Martin says he never told his lawyer to say that the police had lied. Tracy Martin has been excused.

If the father, who knows his son's voice better than anyone, doesn't think it is him screaming, then this proves zimmerman is the screamer, and the victim at the time of the scream, furthering his case of 'self-defense'.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/08/george-zimmerman-trial-trayvon-martin-day-10?hpt=hp_c2

Well, the judge doesn't agree with you and thinks it's completely relevant.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/08/george-zimmerman-trial-trayvon-martin-day-10?hpt=hp_c2

When this trial is over, Pot use and current pot laws will be getting another serious examination.

marcus says

By the way. THC in blood does not mean TM was high.

http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles/2013/20130708006-mob-15yo-shoes.html

someone on the left, please quote my link above so roberto and marcus will see it. Thanks.

No.

Nice answer, Jerk.

Carolyn C says

No.

IMO that "no" was funny, actually. lol

Damning evidence for martin....

http://us.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2013/07/09/ng-zimmerman-taaffe-trayvon-pot-use.hln.html

Couple this with zimmy's defensive wounds, and martins offensive wounds moves the preponderance of evidence towards self-defense, and acquittal.

yeah, it was funny.
But Ms Carolyn and myself were in a little snit at the time....-)

Bap33 says

IMO that "no" was funny, actually. lol

when does Spike Lee's trial begin?
when does the CBS freak's tril begin?
when does the D.A. resign?
when does the Natonal Guard show up to keep the rioting thugs at bay so the honest Americans can live safe and free from bigoted racist attacks?