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ThreeBays says

Just look at how much they cry about a tax increase on the rich,

most small business including small shops that populate main street are not corporations and file as individuals. They buy/sell goods and services and employ the most people.

Think what a guy who owns his own garage fixes peoples cars.. what does he file.. whats his rats.. and he pays lots of taxes.

Completely and utterly irrelevant what a person does.

If someone is making enough income to paying even a tiny portion of their income in the top brackets (we're talking $400,000 in TAXABLE income, which will be significantly less than their actual income), they are very, very well off. Literally more income than 99% of the country.

Sorry, no pity here. Good for them that they were able to find success as an independent business owner rather than having to work for somebody else. That doesn't mean that they're some kind of fucking superhero.

chanakya4773 says

ARE YOU NOT GETTING IT !!

Your move... your gamble a mad man has his finger on the trigger.. man up what are you going to do.. more talk more wasting time...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/25/north-korea-threatens-attack-south-korea

In a third day of fiery rhetoric, North Korea directed its verbal onslaught at its neighbour on Friday, saying: "'Sanctions' mean a war and a declaration of war against us".

North Korea is not believed to have the technology to deliver a nuclear warhead capable of hitting the continental US, although its December launch showed it had the capacity to deliver a rocket that could travel 6,200 miles (10,000km), potentially putting San Francisco in range, according to an intelligence assessment by South Korea.

Yeah, man, lets be scared of every tinpot dictator around the world, and spend trillions upon trillions of dollars that we have to borrow in order to make sure that they don't hurt us.

Fucking please.

North Korea isn't a threat to anybody but North Korea.

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David Losh 2013 Jan 27, 1:15am

no, your HERO said it was from a anti muslim Youtube video

Get your facts straight, it was one of the major points that lost Mitt Romney the debate.

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Vicente 2013 Jan 27, 4:11am

Let's take the case of Jon Huntsman. Bobby Jindal is irrelevant.

Here's a reasonable man, could have been a great statesman president I think. However he was firmly kicked to the curb at every level in the last election. It would be a lot simpler to get behind Huntsman than try and drum up support for Jindal. See that happening? No.

The reason is simple. The GOP has become so firmly in thrall to corporate sociopaths and big money hardliners, that nobody but a hardliner will get the nod. Then the hardliner has to try and shake the Etch-a-Sketch during the general election and that just doesn't wash any more.

GOP is doomed until they kick the Teabaggers, Karl Rove & Reince Preibus, and frankly all the big-money and corporate donors to the curb.

Paradoxically I think Citizens United has doomed the GOP. They undoubtedly see the money as an asset to run expensive media campaigns I believe it's a huge albatross. Teabaggers are microcosm of that, it turned from a "movement" into a corporate-run widely-despised machine in only a few years.

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Thedaytoday 2013 Jan 27, 4:15am

edvard2 says

Bobby Jindal: " GOP needs to stop being the stupid party"

Which is why Jindal should leave the party of fools.

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Thedaytoday 2013 Jan 27, 4:16am

Let's take the case of Jon Huntsman. Bobby Jindal is irrelevant.

Neither of them are future leaders of the GOP. They have no political power.

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Thedaytoday 2013 Jan 27, 4:18am

CaptainShuddup says

Kevin says

Dead people can't be disgusted.

"In History I'll be dead..." GWB

10 seconds ago is history, yesterday is history, does that mean he is dead? No, typical GW.

65 thomaswong.1986 2013 Jan 27, 12:54pm

big-money and corporate donors to the curb.

laughable once again.. you prefer they get their donations from professors of the UC system like Berkeley and Davis as was the case with Obama.... or how about his friends from GE, Citicorp, JP Morgan, Berkshire, etc.. or how about them big shots in silicon valley..Oracle, Google, Apple and many more big stinky democrats.... how about all of the big shots in Hollywood...

which big money and corporations you talking about ?

count the number of mega-millionaires and billionaires in this picture...

66 thomaswong.1986 2013 Jan 27, 12:56pm

http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topcontribs.php

Paradoxically I think Citizens United has doomed the GOP. They undoubtedly see the money as an asset to run expensive media campaigns I believe it's a huge albatross. Teabaggers are microcosm of that, it turned from a "movement" into a corporate-run widely-despised machine in only a few years.

donations made by 100s of millions of Americans... something you want shut down... not going to happen.

67 nope 2013 Jan 27, 1:52pm

Yes, Obama has some wealthy supporters in silicon valley (and hollywood). None of them was donating tens of millions of dollars to his campaign, though:

I hope Adelson got his money's worth.

68 thomaswong.1986 2013 Jan 27, 2:59pm

Kevin says

Yes, Obama has some wealthy supporters in silicon valley (and hollywood). None of them was donating tens of millions of dollars to his campaign, though:

like some above .. your trying to confuse individuals vs corporations...

political donations made BY Corporations are not deductible expense per IRS rules
so.. so all this talk about Corporations is just nonsense.. just who exactly would
but their neck out to make such a request for payment CEO or one of the VPs maybe?

Those who have money certainly did give plenty to Obama..

http://www.businessinsider.com/donations-obama-romney-tech-yahoo-google-facebook-2012-9?op=1

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Vicente 2013 Jan 27, 3:58pm

count the number of mega-millionaires and billionaires in this picture...

I don't know who those folks are, except I think one is Steve Jobs, and he's dead. As I understand it he lent his opinion on some things, I don't find any references to him being a donor in the tens of millions range.

Plain and simple, the GOP optics as "bought". Grassroots is at the "kid table" at this point. You know, that's the card table at Thanksgiving where they stuff all the toddlers. How many folks at that table does it take to equal one Sheldon Adelson? Maybe the Democrats are just as bought, but if so they pull it off without getting a rap for it.

Per the OpenSecrets chart referenced by another poster of big donors, you have to go all the way down to #14 to find a Democratic donor.

The problem with GOP is, they thought enough buckets of money burned in ads and stuff would win them the election. Some big GOP donors are still ticked off it didn't. I suppose when you're a big player and you rub shoulders with Big Money, it never occurs to you that in the end that might turn some of the general public off. I'm not explaining it very well perhaps, sorry!

70 thomaswong.1986 2013 Jan 27, 4:07pm

the GOP optics as "bought".

because you say so.. right ! and you mention one person ! was all this from Corporations or Employees employed by the named corporation.. do anyone of these employees disclose to their employer who they provided political funding ( a personal matter ) ?

Per the OpenSecrets chart referenced by another poster of big donors, you have to go all the way down to #14 to find a Democratic donor.

you skipped more than a few between 1-14...

6 National Education Assn
7 United Auto Workers
8 Newsweb Corp
9 Service Employees International Union
10 Carpenters & Joiners Union
12 American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees
14 AFL-CIO

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Vicente 2013 Jan 27, 4:12pm

you skipped more than a few between 1-13...

Oh right you are, I was misreading.

However the first 5 total over $115 million straight conservative.

I know everyone likes the giant cartoony check, however it just invites envy.

72 thomaswong.1986 2013 Jan 27, 4:19pm

However the first 5 total over $115 million straight conservative.

employees of the corporation or corporation it self ?

73 thomaswong.1986 2013 Jan 27, 4:23pm

12 American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees

you think it was the city state or muni that gave to Obama from the Govt funds ?

authorized by the mayor or city/county elected officials.. or just employees of the

city/state/county and muni ?

I dont see any corruption here.. do you ? would anything else be different from the list ?

74 carrieon 2013 Jan 27, 7:04pm

The stupidest thing the Republican party does is fund not only their own party but also fund the other party as well.

75 bob2356 2013 Jan 28, 1:58am

You didnt need Bush, Good ol Al Gore was talking about WMD and terrorists links long before the 2000 election..

If you can't tell the difference between talking about threats and sending in troops then you aren't qualified to participate in this discussion.

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Vicente 2013 Jan 28, 3:59am

The more important point about Jindal, is WHAT IS GOP GOING TO CHANGE?

Other than calling for their LOON wing to keep it's mouth shut, what of substance?

It's like keeping David Duke in the party but asking him to "tone down" his racism. It just doesn't wash, you need some ACTIONS not words and PR claims. Was he calling to jettison the Loon Wing entirely? No he was not, it's more like stay in the closet but stay on our side and keep giving us money.

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Y 2013 Jan 28, 5:11am

This is about as ignorant as it gets....

Kevin says

North Korea isn't a threat to anybody but North Korea.

78 thomaswong.1986 2013 Jan 28, 5:29am

ThreeBays says

As Kevin mentioned, we're talking about taxable income in the upper bracket only, after a small business owner has deducted expenses from his income.

yes.. i know that.. but as i suggest you actually look around your town and city and talk to a small business owner.

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tatupu70 2013 Jan 28, 5:51am

yes.. i know that.. but as i suggest you actually look around your town and city
and talk to a small business owner

What good would that do? If he makes over $400K in taxable income, why is anyone worried about him???

80 nope 2013 Jan 28, 6:04am

He can tell you how "hard" he works and how many people he employs.

Talking about small business owners is an emotional way yo shield criticism for bad policy.

81 thomaswong.1986 2013 Jan 28, 6:39am

What good would that do? If he makes over $400K in taxable income, why is anyone worried about him???

expansion on current business..new capital purchases, new hiring and facility leases dont grow on trees or come out of nothing.

this should be obvious to you ! think of 7-11 or any chain store/restaurant you see everyday... started with one and doubled and kept doubling creating jobs.

82 thomaswong.1986 2013 Jan 28, 6:42am

Kevin says

Talking about small business owners is an emotional way yo shield criticism for bad policy

when you take your first MBA class be sure to wear some diapers.. your going
to learn something on how business is done: created and grown...

no emotions ... just facts any business major can talk about..

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tatupu70 2013 Jan 28, 6:59am

expansion on current business..new capital purchases, new hiring and facility
leases dont grow on trees or come out of nothing.

this should be obvious to you ! think of 7-11 or any chain store/restaurant
you see everyday... started with one and doubled and kept doubling creating
jobs.

Again--what does that have to do with the point at hand? By all means, he has most likely earned his success. And I'm sure if he makes over $400K/year TAXABLE income, he is enjoying the fruits of his labor. Why in the world should anyone be worried about him?

84 thomaswong.1986 2013 Jan 28, 7:06am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmgP266RPYA

Why in the world should anyone be worried about him?

so emotional you are...

Cost of Capital.. Debt or equity financing higher than internal Retained Earning IRR... go figure it out..

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Vicente 2013 Jan 28, 7:14am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlVDGmjz7eM

when you take your first MBA class

Yeah MBA will give you the real scoop.....

NOT!

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Y 2013 Jan 28, 7:18am

No one 'earns his success' with this administration.
It's always a 'community effort'...

Again--what does that have to do with the point at hand? By all means, he has most likely earned his success. And I'm sure if he makes over $400K/year TAXABLE income, he is enjoying the fruits of his labor. Why in the world should anyone be worried about him?

87 thomaswong.1986 2013 Jan 28, 7:19am

NOT!

MBA, 4 year BA/BA or even 2 year Community College.. pick one.

either way, it just illustrates the hate by the left of anyone being successful.

your world view is a twisted Utopian fantasy..
isnt that what No. 6 fought against in the village ?

or am i talking to schizoid man ?

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Vicente 2013 Jan 28, 7:22am

illustrates the hate by the left of anyone being successful.

My Dad was a very successful businessman, now retired. He didn't need an MBA to do that. The only people who think you need an MBA to run a small business, are people who've been brainwashed about the value of MBA degree.

89 thomaswong.1986 2013 Jan 28, 7:28am

he only people who think you need an MBA to run a small business, are people who've been brainwashed about the value of MBA degree.

skip the MBA and take a few night classes at the Community College..

or just pick up a $20 text book..it doesnt matter either way..

its the same info/facts for internally growing a business.

You can see every day down main street.. some guy/gal owns

a beauty salon, coffee shop, restaurants, etc etc...

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tatupu70 2013 Jan 28, 7:31am

so emotional you are...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmgP266RPYA

Cost of Capital.. Debt or equity financing higher than internal Retained
Earning IRR... go figure it out..

Very good Thomas. Care to actually make an argument or will you keep mentioning business terms of which you appear to have a very limited understanding?

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tatupu70 2013 Jan 28, 7:34am

either way, it just illustrates the hate by the left of anyone being successful.

so emotional you are...

You appear to be one talking about emotions....

92 thomaswong.1986 2013 Jan 28, 7:35am