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bomb yemen, expand Afghanistan war, raided Somali coast line with special forces, bomb pakistan, bomb libya... nobel peace prize... awsome

3-19-2011 NATO NAME NOT RELEASED YET Not reported yet 0 Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Eastern Afghanistan Eastern Afghanistan ISAF Not reported yet Not reported yet Not reported yet Not reported yet
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3-18-2011 UK Daniel Steven Prior Private 27 Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Helmand Queen Elizabeth NHS Hospital, Birmingham UK Nahr-e Saraj British Army Endland Brighton 2nd Battalion The Parachute Regiment (2 PARA) Not reported yet
3-17-2011 US Meis, Christopher S. Lance Corporal 20 Hostile - hostile fire Helmand Helmand U.S. Marine Colorado Bennett 2nd Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force Camp Lejeune, NC
3-16-2011 US Tompkins, Travis M. Sergeant 31 Hostile - hostile fire - RPG attack Logar Logar U.S. Army Oklahoma Lawton Brigade Special Troops Battalion, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division Fort Polk, LA
3-14-2011 Georgia Verskiani, Valeri Corporal 0 Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Helmand Helmand Georgian Army Not reported yet Not reported yet 32nd Battalion Not reported yet
3-12-2011 US Rodriguez, Arturo E. Private First Class 19 Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fire Paktika Paktika U.S. Army California Bellflower 2nd Battalion, 506th Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) Fort Campbell, KY
3-12-2011 US Park, Daehan Sergeant 36 Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Wardak Wardak U.S. Army Connecticut Watertown 3rd Battalion, 1st Special Forces Group Joint Base Lewis-McChord, WA
3-11-2011 US Muller, Ian M. Corporal 22 Hostile - hostile fire Helmand Helmand U.S. Marine Vermont Danville 2nd Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force Camp Lejeune, NC
3-11-2011 US Harper, Andrew M. Not reported yet 19 Non-hostile Kandahar Kandahar U.S. Army West Virginia Maidsville 3rd Squadron, 2nd Stryker Cavalry Regiment Vilseck, Germany
3-10-2011 US Trueblood, Eric S. Staff Sergeant 27 Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Kandahar Kandahar U.S. Army California Alameda 391st Combat Sustainment Support Battalion, 16th Sustainment Brigade, Spinelli Barracks Mannheim, Germany
3-09-2011 UK McKee, Stephen Lance Corporal 27 Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Helmand Nad 'Ali district British Army Northern Ireland Banbridge, County Down 1st Battalion The Royal Irish Regimen Not reported yet
3-09-2011 US Buffalo, Loren M. Corporal 20 Hostile - hostile fire Kandahar Kandahar U.S. Army Arkansas Mountain Pine 1st Squadron, 75th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) Fort Campbell, KY
3-09-2011 US Wade, Andrew P. Specialist 22 Non-hostile Kunduz Kunduz U.S. Army Illinois Antioch 1st Battalion, 87th Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division Fort Drum, NY
3-08-2011 US Johnson, Kalin C. Private 1st Class 19 Non-hostile Kandahar Kandahar U.S. Army South Carolina Lexington 3rd Squadron, 2nd Stryker Cavalry Regiment Vilseck, Germany
3-05-2011 US Wells, Mark C. Staff Sergeant 31 Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Helmand Helmand U.S. Army California San Jose 45th Sustainment Brigade, 8th Theater Sustainment Command, Schofield Barracks, HI
3-04-2011 US Stanton, Jordan R. Corporal 20 Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Helmand Helmand U.S. Marine California Rancho Santa Margarita 2nd Reconnaissance Battalion, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force Camp Lejeune, NC
3-03-2011 US Weaver, Jason M. Specialist 22 Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Kandahar Kandahar U.S. Army California Anaheim 504th Military Police Battalion, 42nd Military Police Brigade Joint Base Lewis-McChord, WA
3-02-2011 US Alden, Nicholas J. Senior Airman 25 Hostile - hostile fire Frankfurt Airport U.S. Air Force South Carolina Williamston 48th Security Forces Squadron RAF Lakenheath, United Kingdom
3-01-2011 UK Tasker, Liam Richard Lance Corporal 27 Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fire Helmand Nahr-e Saraj district British Army Scotland Kirkcaldy, Fife Royal Army Veterinary Corps Not reported yet
2-28-2011 Italy Ranzani, Massimo Lieutenant 36 Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Herat Shindand (25 km north of) Italian Army Ferrara Occhiobello 5° Reggimento Alpini Vipiteno/Bolzano
2-28-2011 US Fahey Jr., David R. Private 1st Class 23 Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Kandahar Kandahar U.S. Army Connecticut Norwalk 504th Military Police Battalion, 42nd Military Police Brigade Joint Base Lewis-McChord
2-28-2011 US Mays, Chauncy R. Staff Sergeant 25 Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Wardak Wardak U.S. Army Texas Cookville 63rd Explosive Ordnance Disposal Battalion, 20th Support Command Aberdeen Proving Ground, Md.
2-28-2011 US Hizon Rudolph R. Specialist 22 Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Logar Logar U.S. Army California Los Angeles 2nd Battalion, 30th Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division Fort Polk, LA
2-28-2011 US Stark, Christopher G. Specialist 22 Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Wardak Wardak U.S. Army Missouri Monett 63rd Explosive Ordnance Disposal Battalion, 20th Support Command Aberdeen Proving Ground, Md
2-28-2011 US Gould, Kristopher J. Sergeant 25 Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Ghazni Ghazni U.S. Army Michigan Saginaw 2nd Battalion, 2nd Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 1st Infantry Division Fort Knox, KY
2-27-2011 US Tabada, Brian Specialist 21 Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fire, RPG Konar Konar U.S. Army Nevada Las Vegas 1st Battalion, 327th Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) Fort Campbell, KY
2-27-2011 US Wilfahrt, Andrew C. Specialist 0 Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Kandahar Kandahar U.S. Army Minnesota Rosemount 504th Military Police Battalion, 8th Military Police Brigade, 8th Theater Sustainment Command Schofield Barracks, HI
2-24-2011 France Fauquembergue, Bruno adjudant-chef 42 Non-hostile Kabul Kabul French Army Lille Commandement des forces terrestres (CFT) Not reported yet
2-24-2011 US Firtamag, Jerome Staff Sergeant 29 Non-hostile - illness - liver cancer Pembroke, Ky U.S. Army Federated States of Micronesia Pohnpei 96th Combat Support Battalion, 101st Combat Aviation Brigade, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) Fort Campbell, KY
2-22-2011 Georgia Avaliani, Giorgi Corporal 0 Hostile - hostile fire - land mine Helmand Helmand Georgian Army Not reported yet Not reported yet 32nd Battalion Not reported yet
2-22-2011 US Taylor, Johnathan W. Corporal 23 Hostile - hostile fire Helmand Helmand U.S. Marine Florida Homosassa 2nd Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force Camp Lejeune, NC
2-21-2011 US Sisson Jr., Robert C. Sergeant 29 Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Kandahar Kandahar district U.S. Army Pennsylvania Aliquippa 1st Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Fort Carson, CO
2-20-2011 US Hidalgo, Daren M. 1st Lieutenant 24 Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Kandahar Kandahar U.S. Army Wisconsin Waukesha 3rd Squadron, 2nd Stryker Cavalry Regiment Not reported yet
2-19-2011 Australia Larcombe, Jamie Ronald Sapper 21 Hostile - hostile fire Southern Afghanistan Southern Afghanistan Australian Army Not reported yet Not reported yet First Combat Engineer Regiment Darwin, NT
2-19-2011 France Chamarier, Clément Chasseur de 1re classe 19 Hostile - hostile fire - Rocket fire Kapisa Landakhel, Kapisa Valley French Army Not reported yet Not reported yet 3e Compagnie, 7e Bataillon de Chasseurs Alpins de Bourg-saint-Maurice, 27e Brigade d'Infanterie de Montagne Not reported yet
2-19-2011 Germany Kurat, Georg Hauptgefreiter 21 Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fire Baghlan Pol-e Khomri German Army Bavaria München (Munich) 112. Panzergrenadierbattalion/12. Panzerbrigade (112th armored grenadier battalion of 12th armored brigade) Regen (Bayerwald-Kaserne/Bayerwald-Barracks)
2-19-2011 US Carpenter, Andrew P. Lance Corporal 27 Hostile - hostile fire Helmand Helmand U.S. Marine Tennessee Columbia 3rd Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force Camp Lejeune, NC
2-18-2011 Germany Menz, Konstantin Stabsgefreiter 22 Hostile - hostile fire Kunduz Pol-e Khomri German Army Baden-Württemberg Backnang 112. Panzergrenadierbattalion/12. Panzerbrigade (112th armored grenadier battalion of 12th armored brigade) Regen (Bayerwald-Kaserne/Bayerwald-Barracks)
2-18-2011 Germany Missulia, Georg Hauptfeldwebel 30 Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fire Baghlan Pol-e Khomri German Army Bavaria Langdorf 112. Panzergrenadierbattalion/12. Panzerbrigade (112th armored grenadier battalion of 12th armored brigade) Regen (Bayerwald-Kaserne/Bayerwald-Barracks)
2-18-2011 US Deyoung, Matthew J. Sergeant 26 Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Helmand Helmand U.S. Marine Oregon Talent 2nd Reconnaissance Battalion, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force Camp Lejeune, NC
2-17-2011 US Pilgeram, Jonathan A. Specialist 22 Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fire Konar Konar U.S. Army Michigan Great Falls 1st Battalion, 327th Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) Fort Campbell, KY
2-17-2011 US Hart, Bradley C. Staff Sergeant 25 Non-hostile Djibouti Camp Lemonnier, Djibouti U.S. Army Ohio Perrysburg Special Operations Command Fort Bragg, NC
2-15-2011 Finland Kansonen,Jukka Tapio Yliluutnantti (Lieutenant) 35 Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Samangan Samang near Aybak Finnish Navy Not reported yet Not reported yet Kotka Coast Battalion ,Gulf of Finland Naval Command Hamina
2-15-2011 New Zealand Mila, Kirifi Private 27 Non-hostile - vehicle accident Bamyan Bamyan (north-east area) New Zealand Army Samoa Not reported yet 2/1st Battalion, Royal New Zealand Infantry Regiment Burnham Camp
2-14-2011 UK Hutchinson, Dea Private 23 Non-hostile - fire Helmand Camp Bastion British Army England Royal Logistic Corps (RLC)
2-14-2011 UK Wood, Robert Private 28 Non-hostile - fire Helmand Camp Bastion British Army England Royal Logistic Corps (RLC)
2-14-2011 UK Marshall, Kyle Cleet Lance Corporal 23 Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Helmand Nahr-e Saraj

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeN6DkhL4gE

I think I hear an echo ....

MARCH 19, 2011
OBAMA: 'Today we are part of a broad coalition. We are answering the calls of a threatened people. And we are acting in the interests of the United States and the world'...

MARCH 19, 2003
BUSH: 'American and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger'...

Anti Bush .... sorry .... Anti Obama protests in Rio?? How can that be? I thought Obama was going to restore the love and respect from the people of the world? This is getting sad to watch. From fainting spells to shooting rubber bullets into a crowd in just 2 short years.

http://blogs.forbes.com/kenrapoza/2011/03/18/rubber-bullets-fly-at-anti-obama-protest-in-rio-o-globo-reports/

marcus says

I find myself almost agreeing with Ray, or at least not disagreeing with him as strongly as usual.

I feel your pain. It must be terrible to have to admit that Obama is turning out to be Bush's 3rd. term.

Anti Obama protests in Rio?

Obama went to RIO with execs from Haliburton ,but it wasn't reported in any English speaking newspaper

RayAmerica says

I feel your pain. It must be terrible to have to admit that Obama is turning out to be Bush’s 3rd. term.

In good conscience I have to ammend this statement. As much as I opposed Bush, I have to admit, Obama is far worse. I feel better now. Thank you.

Newt was accusing Obama the other day of being a pansy for not getting involved sooner. I'm pretty sure if McCain were in power we'd have 5 wars already.

I'm missing all the fun. 26 years in the military and was never in combat. :-(

I was on orders to Vietnam, but at the last minute they declared peace. Volunteered for Gulf War 1 but they wouldn't take me. Had already retired by the time the second Gulf War started.

Oh well.

Vicente says

Newt was accusing Obama the other day of being a pansy for not getting involved sooner.

Newt is a Neocon. Robert Gates, Obama's Sec. of Defense (and Bush's) is a Neocon. What a surprise the two would agree.

Vicente says

I’m pretty sure if McCain were in power we’d have 5 wars already.

McCain is just another inside the beltway politician that I never could stand. Having said that, I'd like to know from you what the "5 wars" are that we'd be in "already."

Why would War Protestors be protesting against our Nobel Peace Prize Laureate?? This seems impossible to believe!

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WAR_PROTEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-03-19-18-32-15

Vicente says

Newt was accusing Obama the other day of being a pansy for not getting involved sooner. I’m pretty sure if McCain were in power we’d have 5 wars already.
“Eagles are dandified vultures” - Teddy Roosevelt

Soooo Marginally "Better" is still better aye?

The man who won on "Anyone is better than this", I hope History remembers that, in the same paragraph where the "First black president" is mentioned.

More over, I really hope this ass hole doesn't ruin for the legitimate black leaders down the road, like the Colin Powell's's and Jesse Jackson's.

Had I joined in 1985 I'd be getting my 26 right now. I had an ASVAB off the chart (I was probably the only person taking it seriously on test day at my high school) and coulda got any gig I wanted prolly.

One thing I didn't understand about the military as a young kid is that the career enlisted only have to take shit for a couple of years -- it's my general impression now that once you start acquiring the rockers you dramatically improve your position in the chain-of-shit.

ie. when I was a kid I thought only officers had any quality of life, but now I see officers don't really do anything, they're just responsible for what does and doesn't get done. The actual people managing the work is the NCO cadre.

The actual people *doing* the work is the junior ranks, ie. meat.

Obama is not the only Noble Peace Prize winner to support action against Libya.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/movil/ultimas_noticias/2011/03/110320_ultnot_tutu_libia_cr.shtml&ei=VTOGTbn4NYy2sAOv7rj0AQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDwQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsite:www.bbc.co.uk%2Btutu%26hl%3Den%26tbo%3D1%26tbs%3Dqdr:d%26prmd%3Divns

Desmond Tutu supports air strikes against the Libyan government as a last resort

20 mar 2011 16:50 GMT 20 Mar 2011 16:50 GMT

El premio Nobel de la Paz, el arzobispo Desmond Tutu, dio su apoyo a los ataques aéreos contra el coronel Muamar Gadafi como último recurso. The Nobel Peace Prize, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, has endorsed the air strikes against Colonel Muammar Gaddafi as a last resort.

El arzobispo sudafricano dijo que las escenas de brutalidad ejercida por parte de las fuerzas de seguridad contra sus propios conciudadanos civiles hacían llorar a Dios y avergonzaban a África. The South African archbishop said that the scenes of brutality by security forces against its own civilian citizens were ashamed mourn to God and to Africa.

El arzobispo dijo que la comunidad internacional debía actuar para proteger al pueblo de Libia. The archbishop said the international community must act to protect the people of Libya.

Tenouncetrout says

Soooo Marginally “Better” is still better aye?

Actually this is a military action I support. There is UN and international agreement about it. Unlike going into Afghanistan and Iraq there is little intent to do anything other than assist in toppling a regime. No plans about invasion troops, occupation, or "bringing democracy". Even a Republican should be able to get behind this plan. The only reasons I can see to oppose it are either being simply "party of opposition", or that they prefer occupation. We are already pretty clear on the fact that Republicans claim to be the more hair-trigger hawkish ones, so claims to pacifism and non-intervention just don't hold water.

Nomograph says

Remember, just two weeks ago he derided Obama as an “amateur” for not sending military support to help the dictator Mubarak, claiming he favored the Muslim Brotherhood.

Help us "remember" a little better by copying and pasting my comments that support the above fiction. LOL

Nomograph says

if RayAMerica has ever had an independent bone in his body, it belonged to his Libertarian boyfriend.

Speak of the devil... (you might need to show all posts to know what I'm talking about)

I actually support Obama here (grudgingly), as I already said.
Grudgingly, because the flip-flopping on his part and that of his long-time liberal supporters is truly shameless. For one, they have vehemently accused Bush and Cheney of lying to Congress about Iraqi WMD so as to obtain the authorization for use of force. Obama didn't. He has simply entered US into this war without Congressional authorization or hearing of any sort, in blatant violation of constitution and his own repeated statements in 2006 - 08 that the US president has no right to start a military action abroad without Congressional authorization unless the US is under attack or imminent threat thereof. This audacity has been compounded by his sleight-of-hand announcement of that decision not in a formal address to the nation, but a minor aside while on a trip to Brazil. Just imagine what would the left say had Bush done so in 2003.

Nomograph says

He is entirely motivated by hatred. Remember, just two weeks ago he derided Obama as an “amateur” for not sending military support to help the dictator Mubarak, claiming he favored the Muslim Brotherhood.

.... and what I actually said:

"President Obama and his team of amateurs have helped usher in a nightmare scenario in the Middle East in which both America and Israel will be the biggest losers. It is in fact a revolt that has been orchestrated by the radical Islamists, mainly the Muslim Brotherhood. This revolt, encouraged by Obama et all, will continue to spread throughout the Middle East."

http://patrick.net/?p=626466

Nothing said about "military support" for Mubarak. Did in fact get it right that this revolt, encouraged by Obama et all, would continue to spread throughout the Middle East and it has. Do you have anything else Nomo? LOL

The vast majority of the Muslim Brotherhood members are peace-loving secularists who have no desire to see an Islamic regime in Egypt. The vast majority of Egyptians want democracy and do not want an islamic government, despite the paranoid ramblings of Glenny Beck.

This wasn't started by Obama even though I'd love to give him credit. President George W. Bush was the first American President to advocate and begin regime change for the purpose of seeding democracy in the Middle East. So if democracy in the middle east is your "nightmare scenario" ushered in by a President, then Bush is your man to blame.

The revolt has already spread across the middle east, and it is far from being a nightmare. The Rebel leader in Libya has emphatically claimed that the aim of the revolt is PEACEFUL transition of power in Libya to a SECULAR DEMOCRACY. It makes perfect sense that France would lead this mission in their own backyard.

I'm not really seeing how all of this is some "nightmare scenario". But let's take Glen Beck's paranoid delusions to its improbable conclusion: Osama Bin Laden rises as the leader of a Unified Arab Middle East under the most brutal of Sharia law that stretches from Tunisia to Iraq. Then what?

1) Bin Laden will cut off the flow of oil to the West! Then he will watch the simultaneous implosion of every single economy in the middle east. Sands will swallow cities whole like they did following the end of the Islamic Golden Age in the 13th Century.

2) Bin Laden will attack! Not certain how a military composed of irregular guerilla fighters could expect to beat any Western nation without oil money to back their mad plans.

3) At the minimum, a Unified Arab Middle East under Bin Laden would destroy Isreal! Frankly, the Isrealis are doing more to destroy Isreal than the combined might of the entire Arab world could ever hope to accomplish. But let's assume every Arab nation attacks Isreal. First, the primary maker of all military hardware used by the Arab countries is the US and West. I don't see any attack lasting very long without replacement parts, ammo, etc. Second, the US and the West could beat a united Arab attack on Isreal easily and handidly without breaking a sweat. That's if the US trained Arab militaries didn't immediately defect upon receiving orders for such a suicide mission.

So please elaborate on this "nightmare scenario" of Arab democracy.

Arabs aside and Ray's situation-specific cynicism ignored, the actions of the US in this case are clearly an act of war. Bombs are falling.

Isn't there something in the Constitution that lays out a procedure for getting a war on? Isn't Congress etc supposed to be consulted?

If laws mattered anymore in this country, this would be an impeachable offense.

kentm says

Isn’t there something in the Constitution that lays out a procedure for getting a war on? Isn’t Congress etc supposed to be consulted?
If laws mattered anymore in this country, this would be an impeachable offense.

Check this out ...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/03/21/kucinich_obama_ignored_constitution_his_own_advice_with_strikes_on_libya.html

There you go. Only Kucinich it seems retains the honesty to discuss this elephant openly.

But it won't happen... After 8 years of the rolling Bush-Chaney charnel house & abattoir show, which has been continued very competently by Obama, there'll be no impeachment now. It hasn't happened yet so why should it for this little thing?

SoCal Renter says

Bin Laden would destroy Isreal!

SoCal Renter says

the Isrealis are doing more to destroy Isreal

SoCal Renter says

Arab nation attacks Isreal.

SoCal Renter says

united Arab attack on Isreal

I have a hard time taking seriously anyone that wants to debate the Middle East that spells Israel .... "Isreal." LOL

RayAmerica says

I have a hard time taking seriously anyone that wants to debate the Middle East that spells Israel …. “Isreal.” LOL

Well that's convenient for you then. By the way, I've been meaning to ask you who "in fact" is.

RayAmerica says

Did in fact get it right that this revolt, encouraged by Obama et all, would continue to spread throughout the Middle East and it has.

Or you could just ignore this troll post and his mistake, as you're probably one of the worst grammar/spelling offenders, and just answer his questions...

kentm says

If laws mattered anymore in this country, this would be an impeachable offense.

Engaging in acts of war would be an impeachable offense if it was against the will of the congress.

ie if the Congress doesn't approve of this action they are free to impeach & remove Obama from office.

There is a gray area about the powers of being Commander in Chief vs. the power to declare war -- clearly these are not identical concepts.

SoCal Renter says

The vast majority of the Muslim Brotherhood members are peace-loving

Is it possible to nominate an entire movement for the Nobel Peace Prize?

Troy says

Engaging in acts of war would be an impeachable offense if it was against the will of the congress.

How do we determine the "will of the congress" without a vote?

Again, Ray, please elaborate on the "nightmare scenario" of Arab democracy. (Blame Patrick for a lack of Spell Check on this forum!)

Shrekgrinch seems to think the Arab democratic movements have a risk of ending in dictatorship (no doubt) so we should just continue to support the first dictatorship.

Why? Because one dictatorship is better than another?

Far more democracies have emerged without requiring an occupational force than have been created by force. Aren't Libyan rebels an occupational force, anyways?

Finally, Obama isn't asking to increase spending on this operation. Tea Party nuts should be thrilled that the President is being so frugal. Obama is the Tea Party President!

RayAmerica says

Troy says

Engaging in acts of war would be an impeachable offense if it was against the will of the congress.

How do we determine the “will of the congress” without a vote?

The "will of Congress" can be seen by what theydebate and don't vote on as well. I would assume Congress supports the policy of NOT NUKING THE UNITED STATES without requiring a vote on the matter.

“The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation,” - Obama December 2007.

$4 gas might be construed as an imminent threat . . .

surfingerman says

“The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation,” - Obama December 2007.

I always find it amusing to see Republicans trying to stir up anti-war sentiment. You seem more at ease typically on the left side of this picture than the right:

Vicente says

I always find it amusing to see Republicans trying to stir up anti-war sentiment. You seem more at ease typically on the left side of this picture than the right:

“Eagles are dandified vultures” - Teddy Roosevelt

We are.
What we dislike is for those on the right side to bash those on the left side for every sin imaginable to man, then, after successfully routing them on thus created wave of public indignation, change into their clothes and pick up their weapons as a matter-of-course.

Why? To prevent another genocide like what has occurred in Rwanda.

Perhaps you mistake Democrats for pacifists, which is not generally speaking accurate. It's still a valid tool in the toolbox.

Nomograph says

Interesting. First you called Obama an “amateur” when he refused to support the Egyptian dictator, and now you call him a hypocrite because he refuses to support the Libyan dictator. I’m starting to see a pattern…

I cannot lie, that does sound a bit like your flip flopping on the issue. I think we can all agree that we do not want to see another Rwanda.