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I moved the the family from Earth to Mars and regretted it. Here are some key points every person should consider before drinking Musk's Kool-Aid
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2021 Jan 26, 5:39pm 2,678 views 37 comments
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richwicks
2021 Jan 27, 9:16am
richwicks
2021 Jan 27, 9:16am
clambo says
Maybe Jupiter has a surface and life:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYOk9D0ZwVk
In “Robinson Crusoe on Mars” there was water, and rocks had air or O2 in them.
Maybe Jupiter has a surface and life:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYOk9D0ZwVk
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socal2
2021 Jan 27, 12:12pm
That's pretty funny and clever!
Even if exploring or colonizing Mars turns into a bust for all the reasons listed above, can't one argue that making Mars simply an aspirational goal has driven companies like SpaceX to dramatically re-think and innovate space travel with reusability of rocket boosters which has brought to price of satellite launches by hundreds of millions of dollars each?
If nothing else, the US is now benefitting by not having to pay Russians to send our astronauts up to space.
Even if exploring or colonizing Mars turns into a bust for all the reasons listed above, can't one argue that making Mars simply an aspirational goal has driven companies like SpaceX to dramatically re-think and innovate space travel with reusability of rocket boosters which has brought to price of satellite launches by hundreds of millions of dollars each?
If nothing else, the US is now benefitting by not having to pay Russians to send our astronauts up to space.
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georgeliberte
2021 Jan 27, 12:23pm
georgeliberte
2021 Jan 27, 12:23pm
Two things-
1. I think the cast of The Hills Have Eye are now my coworkers.
2. I pretty sure
is one of my exes (the rest all live in Texas).
1. I think the cast of The Hills Have Eye are now my coworkers.
2. I pretty sure
is one of my exes (the rest all live in Texas).
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rocketjoe79
2021 Jan 27, 12:27pm
rocketjoe79
2021 Jan 27, 12:27pm
Elon Musk after entering the Pearly Gates:
God: Welcome to Heaven Elon!
Elon: This looks like my successful Mars Colony!?
God: Where did you think I would put heaven? Sheesh, took you humans long enough! I put the Moon nearby Earth to use as a base. Figured it would be good practice with vacuum but plenty of resources like silicon, oxygen and even water. But then y'all visited and then ingored it! Thanks for making the direct approach work.
God: Welcome to Heaven Elon!
Elon: This looks like my successful Mars Colony!?
God: Where did you think I would put heaven? Sheesh, took you humans long enough! I put the Moon nearby Earth to use as a base. Figured it would be good practice with vacuum but plenty of resources like silicon, oxygen and even water. But then y'all visited and then ingored it! Thanks for making the direct approach work.
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Patrick
2021 Jan 27, 5:48pm
Patrick
2021 Jan 27, 5:48pm
@HunterTits That's because it's a post and not a comment.
It is near the top of most-liked posts, which is a tab near the top of the home page:
https://patrick.net/?order=likes
It is near the top of most-liked posts, which is a tab near the top of the home page:
https://patrick.net/?order=likes
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MisdemeanorRebel
2021 Jan 28, 12:41pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2021 Jan 28, 12:41pm
clambo says
It could be possible to recreate an Atacama Desert/High Arctic Tundra out of it. But that would only be in selected bands. The solar winds would rip any substantial atmosphere off without a magnetic field shield, just not enough mass and internal convection going on.
Oh well, maybe Mars ain’t gonna have an ocean.
In “Robinson Crusoe on Mars” there was water, and rocks had air or O2 in them.
It could be possible to recreate an Atacama Desert/High Arctic Tundra out of it. But that would only be in selected bands. The solar winds would rip any substantial atmosphere off without a magnetic field shield, just not enough mass and internal convection going on.
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Eric Holder
2021 Jan 28, 12:43pm
Eric Holder
2021 Jan 28, 12:43pm
rocketjoe79 says
... think of it as committing to basically living in a can for many-many years. Thanks but no thanks.
Anyone thinking of going to Mars should
... think of it as committing to basically living in a can for many-many years. Thanks but no thanks.
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just_passing_through
2021 Jan 28, 10:20pm
just_passing_through
2021 Jan 28, 10:20pm
Eric Holder says
This...
The soil is toxic as well. Like a superfund site.
... think of it as committing to basically living in a can for many-many years. Thanks but no thanks.
This...
The soil is toxic as well. Like a superfund site.
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HeadSet
2021 Jan 29, 2:07pm
HeadSet
2021 Jan 29, 2:07pm
NoCoupForYou says
The issue is far more lack of gravity to hold an atmosphere that lack of a magnetic field ripping it away. Venus has no magnetic field, and has quite a thick atmosphere despite being much closer to the sun and subject to much higher solar winds.
The solar winds would rip any substantial atmosphere off without a magnetic field shield, just not enough mass and internal convection going on.
The issue is far more lack of gravity to hold an atmosphere that lack of a magnetic field ripping it away. Venus has no magnetic field, and has quite a thick atmosphere despite being much closer to the sun and subject to much higher solar winds.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2021 Jan 29, 4:38pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2021 Jan 29, 4:38pm
HeadSet says
Venus is far more massive than Mars, however. I believe Venus and Earth are about equally massive, and Mars is only a third of either.
The issue is far more lack of gravity to hold an atmosphere that lack of a magnetic field ripping it away. Venus has no magnetic field, and has quite a thick atmosphere despite being much closer to the sun and subject to much higher solar winds.
Venus is far more massive than Mars, however. I believe Venus and Earth are about equally massive, and Mars is only a third of either.
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Patrick
2021 Jan 29, 6:49pm
Patrick
2021 Jan 29, 6:49pm
We should move Venus out of its orbit a bit farther from the sun to make it more habitable. It's possible.
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HeadSet
2021 Jan 29, 8:45pm
HeadSet
2021 Jan 29, 8:45pm
Patrick says
Not necessary. Venus would be inhabitable where it is if we could change the 98% CO2 atmosphere. Formidable task (maybe seed the high atmosphere with engineered plants), but minor compared with the energy of translation of moving a planet that size out of orbit. The erg requirement would take more energy than the Sun generates in a year.
We should move Venus out of its orbit a bit farther from the sun to make it more habitable. It's possible.
Not necessary. Venus would be inhabitable where it is if we could change the 98% CO2 atmosphere. Formidable task (maybe seed the high atmosphere with engineered plants), but minor compared with the energy of translation of moving a planet that size out of orbit. The erg requirement would take more energy than the Sun generates in a year.
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socal2
2021 Feb 2, 1:31pm
HunterTits says
Yep - and they have SN10 already moved to the launch pad to try again later this month.
The 'starship' just blew up (again).
Yep - and they have SN10 already moved to the launch pad to try again later this month.
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Shaman
2021 Feb 2, 1:33pm
Shaman
2021 Feb 2, 1:33pm
Honestly, Mars is both a trap and a waste of time. We should be working hardest on near-Earth asteroid mining with the goal of sending building materials to either near-Earth orbit or cis-lunar orbit.
The mining could be partially robotic, but you’d most likely need a team of astronauts to guide and repair the robots on site. This would require a space ship to be assembled in Earth orbit that could support a two year mission to an asteroid and back. And it would have to have spin, as two years of no gravity would cripple or kill most people. So you’d need a habitat that spun around a central axis to provide some G-force.
The ore mined would contain everything needed to construct rockets and containers for payload, which could be directed back on a long arc towards Earth orbit. The material could be easily refined in space. Every kilogram of material produced this way would have a value in orbit around Earth of approximately at least $1000. One mission should be able to send one million metric tons back to Earth, resulting in a gross of 1 TRILLION DOLLARS.
And yes there would be buyers. Everyone would see the wild success of the mission and the space race for trillions would make the California Gold Rush look like a historical footnote.
The mining could be partially robotic, but you’d most likely need a team of astronauts to guide and repair the robots on site. This would require a space ship to be assembled in Earth orbit that could support a two year mission to an asteroid and back. And it would have to have spin, as two years of no gravity would cripple or kill most people. So you’d need a habitat that spun around a central axis to provide some G-force.
The ore mined would contain everything needed to construct rockets and containers for payload, which could be directed back on a long arc towards Earth orbit. The material could be easily refined in space. Every kilogram of material produced this way would have a value in orbit around Earth of approximately at least $1000. One mission should be able to send one million metric tons back to Earth, resulting in a gross of 1 TRILLION DOLLARS.
And yes there would be buyers. Everyone would see the wild success of the mission and the space race for trillions would make the California Gold Rush look like a historical footnote.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2021 Feb 2, 2:16pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2021 Feb 2, 2:16pm
HunterTits says
One engine failed, did the flop again perfectly. Not enough power for landing. Starship has to get the header tanks working after a big flop which non-reusable rockets don't have to bother with.
SLS finally had a testfire after 30 years of development and the engines shutdown long before planned. Whereas a year ago, Starship was only a non functional mockup.
In one year of dev, starship has had more test flights than Ares-SLS-SDHLV ever did, even though it's just engines strapped to the bottom of a late 70s big orange tank.
The 'starship' just blew up (again).
One engine failed, did the flop again perfectly. Not enough power for landing. Starship has to get the header tanks working after a big flop which non-reusable rockets don't have to bother with.
SLS finally had a testfire after 30 years of development and the engines shutdown long before planned. Whereas a year ago, Starship was only a non functional mockup.
In one year of dev, starship has had more test flights than Ares-SLS-SDHLV ever did, even though it's just engines strapped to the bottom of a late 70s big orange tank.
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Eric Holder
2021 Feb 2, 2:51pm
Eric Holder
2021 Feb 2, 2:51pm
Shaman says
The name of the ship will be "Nostromo"....
This would require a space ship to be assembled in Earth orbit that could support a two year mission to an asteroid and back.
The name of the ship will be "Nostromo"....
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georgeliberte
2021 Feb 3, 11:21am
georgeliberte
2021 Feb 3, 11:21am
I hired a lawyer to get a refund from Musk; he was recommended by the Clintons.
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rocketjoe79
2021 Feb 3, 6:33pm
rocketjoe79
2021 Feb 3, 6:33pm
HunterTits says
This is the Way.
Compilation of Falcon Rocket Follies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9FzWPObsWA
The 'starship' just blew up (again).
This is the Way.
Compilation of Falcon Rocket Follies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9FzWPObsWA
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HeadSet
2022 Sep 27, 5:25pm
HeadSet
2022 Sep 27, 5:25pm
Shaman says
One miscalculation and we have a million metric ton asteroid slamming into Earth. "Oops, Mrs Hidden Figures forgot to carry the 2!"
One mission should be able to send one million metric tons back to Earth, resulting in a gross of 1 TRILLION DOLLARS.
One miscalculation and we have a million metric ton asteroid slamming into Earth. "Oops, Mrs Hidden Figures forgot to carry the 2!"
1) It Was NOT An All Inclusive Package
For a family of 4, we had to fork over $2 million for this trip. After selling our artificially high-priced Silicon Valley shack, cashed out our 401ks and IRAs, sold off all our stock options/RSUs and getting a $400k grant from the Biden Administration from money that was stolen from Red State idiots-who-think-their-vote-actually-counts-in-PRI-America, we barely got that plus another $100k left over.
But that wasn't enough! Because that $2 million only covers transportation and habitat in Musk Eisley (more on that below), everything else was a la carte. Food, oxygen, water, flight to the spaceport, you name it, we got nickled & dimed. In fact, by the time we reached Mars...before we even stepped out of the fuckin' lander, we were in hock to the tune of $300k to Musk Indentured Services, Martian LLC.
But because our 17year old daughter is hot, we were able to whore her out to colonial leaders to cut that down to $75k. But according to that contract, Chelsea will be servicing the Martian Elite for the next 10 years. Probably 20 given how her looks mutate away (more on that below also).
Suffice it to say, none of this shit was in our contract.
2) Musk Eisley Was Built W/O Radiation In Mind
There's no magnetic field generated by Mars and no ozone layer in the atmosphere, so deadly UV and cosmic radiation just pounds the surface like the Martian Elite routinely do Chelsea. NASA and other peer-reviewed science long determined that colonists would need at least 6 to 8 feet of Martian soil covering their habs in order to avoid the worst of it. But does Musk do 'science'? Fuck no. He built Musk Eisley all on the surface, for the most part.
I am not kidding. This is Musk Eisley:
And our unit was on the top floor of a 10 story building of the 'glass tower design'.
Suffice it to say, this did not bode well. Ever see The Hills Have Eyes? Well, that's our family.
Chelsea's looks didn't even last 5 years:
(Chelsea on an exchange student program to Iceland one year before we left earth)
(Chelsea after being on Mars 4 years, 7 months)
3) Nothing BUT Public Land
Turns out we don't even have property rights! Not according to the Outer Space Treaty of 1969. Musk promised us that his lawyers were going to secure a carve out for our colony, but nothing ever came from that.
4) Nowhere To Go
Oh, there's PLENTY of empty space for you to check out. But there are no snowy mountains, no raging rivers, and no Starbucks! Things don't change much in a huge seventy-hour-drive radius with the Rover. Since we love the outdoors — exploring, climbing, rafting — Mars was not our cup of tea.
5) Dishonesty
As noted in 1 in the above, we were lied to! And there is no Nanny State to save us, either! All we can do is bitch in this bupkiss article and hope it gets posted on Patrick.net.
God forbid I take any responsibility for doing any due diligence on my part.
6) I Ran Out Of Shit To Say
This is probably why I didn't get the freelance job to write the total hit piece, I moved my family from California to Austin, Texas, and regretted it. Here are 10 key points every person should consider before relocating.