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FarmersWon says

If you look at that modern constitution(US and other countries) and Geneva conventions are so much improvements from past.

Sure - if they are followed.

George W. Bush and most of his administration should be hung - they broke the Geneva Conventions with the Iraq War.

richwicks says

FarmersWon says

If you look at that modern constitution(US and other countries) and Geneva conventions are so much improvements from past.

Sure - if they are followed.

George W. Bush and most of his administration should be hung - they broke the Geneva Conventions with the Iraq War.

That would be interesting fight to held these criminals to justice.
It is so sad when common people fight with each other.

FarmersWon says

But those opportunistic people are biggest enemy of eradicating racism.

Which means it will never end. It is better to accept the fact that humans are flawed. Maintaining freedom allows everyone to segregate to their preferred group. Why do you think borders are a thing? Borders are meant to separate based on about 3 things...language, culture, race, religion.

WineHorror1 says

FarmersWon says

But those opportunistic people are biggest enemy of eradicating racism.

Which means it will never end. It is better to accept the fact that humans are flawed. Maintaining freedom allows everyone to segregate to their preferred group. Why do you think borders are a thing? Borders are meant to separate based on about 3 things...language, culture, race, religion.

Why only this applies to common man that borders needs to be built.
Elites always have access to whole world... Common man has a problem to accept elite propaganda not intolerance of differences.
How come elites drink/eat/enjoy together across races, But common man should have barbed wire?... Can you explain.

Racism will never die. As mentioned there are people who will hold beliefs regardless of how ignorant they are. What you are looking for, I think, is an end to any legal racism and discrimination. And that ended with Gen X. Racial harmony has never been better than from about 1990-2010 or so. Unfortunately the idiots who cry racism in modern US are mentally ill or have a financial agenda and the msm is so corrupt that it decides to showcase those corrupt and mentally ill individuals

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Racism will never die. As mentioned there are people who will hold beliefs regardless of how ignorant they are. What you are looking for, I think, is an end to any legal racism and discrimination. And that ended with Gen X. Racial harmony has never been better than from about 1990-2010 or so. Unfortunately the idiots who cry racism in modern US are mentally ill or have a financial agenda and the msm is so corrupt that it decides to showcase those corrupt and mentally ill individuals

It is sad situation and these grifters make hard to fight against real racism in all directions.

FarmersWon says

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Racism will never die. As mentioned there are people who will hold beliefs regardless of how ignorant they are. What you are looking for, I think, is an end to any legal racism and discrimination. And that ended with Gen X. Racial harmony has never been better than from about 1990-2010 or so. Unfortunately the idiots who cry racism in modern US are mentally ill or have a financial agenda and the msm is so corrupt that it decides to showcase those corrupt and mentally ill individuals

It is sad situation and these grifters make hard to fight against real racism in all directions.

I'm going to explain racism as a biological result of evolution. This is evolutionary psychology.

The hypothesis is you're a mechanism to reproduce your genes. You are nothing more than a MACHINE to do this. As a result, people who appear to be different than you, are competition. It doesn't matter how they act, if they are kind or cruel, they are competition. They are viewed as invaders because you don't want your children to mix their genes with them - you are after all a machine to replicate your genes, and people similar to you are far more likely to have your genes. You, as a mechanism, are a slave to reproducing your genes - to make a superior next generation.

That's all racism is. If the hypothesis is correct, racism isn't only natural, but expected.

We can transcend this by realizing that the attributes of one person are superior or equal to our own attributes. We are doing controlled selection on ourselves. We are creating new breeds of human beings - just like we've done with farm animals, cats, and dogs.

richwicks says

FarmersWon says

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Racism will never die. As mentioned there are people who will hold beliefs regardless of how ignorant they are. What you are looking for, I think, is an end to any legal racism and discrimination. And that ended with Gen X. Racial harmony has never been better than from about 1990-2010 or so. Unfortunately the idiots who cry racism in modern US are mentally ill or have a financial agenda and the msm is so corrupt that it decides to showcase those corrupt and mentally ill individuals

It is sad situation and these grifters make hard to fight against real racism in all directions.

I'm going to explain racism as a biological result of evolution. This is evolutionary psychology.

The hypothesis is you're a mechanism to reproduce your genes. You are nothing more...

Nature also have a bias toward selecting and proliferating better mutations as natural selection.
We always see that future generations typically become more tolerant as the fear subside.. Fear is typically created by "coward" leadership.

World always celebrate people who promoted peace, So I would say that natural bias is towards harmony.
Jesus/Guru Nanak.

FarmersWon says

World always celebrate people who promoted peace, So I would say that natural bias is towards harmony.

I'm still pretty much an atheist, but I agree - we seem to be trying to reach an equilibrium.

Often people who are SAID to promote peace do not though. Look at our Nobel Peace Prize winners, not just Obomba. There's people who have said "do not nominate me" because they don't believe that prize is meaningful.

Yasser Arafat, Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin won this prize. Henry A. Kissinger won this prize. He's a mass murderer. He's a very evil man although I'm certain he's unaware of it.

If I was ever nominated and won this prize, I would go to the ceremony and tell them what a bunch of lying hypocrites they are, and drop the medal on the floor. I might even piss on it if I had a full bladder.

richwicks says

FarmersWon says

World always celebrate people who promoted peace, So I would say that natural bias is towards harmony.

I'm still pretty much an atheist, but I agree - we seem to be trying to reach an equilibrium.

Often people who are SAID to promote peace do not though. Look at our Nobel Peace Prize winners, not just Obomba. There's people who have said "do not nominate me" because they don't believe that prize is meaningful.

Yasser Arafat, Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin won this prize. Henry A. Kissinger won this prize. He's a mass murderer. He's a very evil man although I'm certain he's unaware of it.

But You yourself provided my statement right.
You don't respect them as they were not true peacemakers.... But You would have respected them if they were.
So It does seem we naturally like peace and only thing standing in the way is fear. Sikh gurus taught Sikhs how to fight fear as it is must for peace and freedom.
By The way Atheism is also a religion.. A religion of "No God" with same characteristics as other religions.

FarmersWon says

You don't respect them as they were not true peacemakers.... But You would have respected them if they were.
So It does seem we naturally like peace and only thing standing in the way is fear. Sikh gurus taught Sikhs how to fight fear as it is must for peace and freedom.

I don't respect authorities. They pervert intentions. People who get awards for X, are not the best people who did X, they are the best scumbags out of the garbage of the establishment that promoted X. It's not a meritocracy.

FarmersWon says

By The way Atheism is also a religion.. A religion of "No God" with same characteristics as other religions.

No. This entirely wrong.

I am not dogmatic in my viewpoint, it was one that I was dragged to through logic and reasoning, screaming all the way. It's a logical conclusion, and not a pleasant one for me at all. I want to believe in ultimate justice, I'm sincerely jealous of people who believe in it, but I have no basis for that belief. Atheism is a lack of verifiable information.

I'm trained in hard science to discount everything without hard, testable, repeatable evidence. If there's a god, it breaks all scientific rules. Jesuits are highly trained and educated, and 1/2 of them are atheists. My ability to eat is not dependent on my stated beliefs - that's not true for a lot of Jesuits.

FarmersWon says

WineHorror1 says

FarmersWon says

But those opportunistic people are biggest enemy of eradicating racism.

Which means it will never end. It is better to accept the fact that humans are flawed. Maintaining freedom allows everyone to segregate to their preferred group. Why do you think borders are a thing? Borders are meant to separate based on about 3 things...language, culture, race, religion.

Why only this applies to common man that borders needs to be built.
Elites always have access to whole world... Common man has a problem to accept elite propaganda not intolerance of differences.
How come elites drink/eat/enjoy together across races, But common man should have barbed wire?... Can you explain.

I admit, those are very good questions. It is my sincere belief that if/when the shit hits the fan one of the first things people will do is group up with those who are similar to them. Othering is a real thing.

richwicks says

I don't respect authorities. They pervert intentions. People who get awards for X, are not the best people who did X, they are the best scumbags out of the garbage of the establishment that promoted X. It's not a meritocracy.

Fair enough. I do respect Sikh Gurus as they have proven leadership beyond doubt.
Our 10th Guru sacrificed himself along with all his family members to protect "freedom of speech and religion".
You just need to find right leaders.



richwicks says

I'm trained in hard science to discount everything without hard, testable, repeatable evidence. If there's a god, it breaks all scientific rules. Jesuits are highly trained and educated, and 1/2 of them are atheists. My ability to eat is not dependent on my stated beliefs - that's not true for a lot of Jesuits.

How do you know that religion doesn't work.
It works better than any therapy current medical science provides. Religious people are happier(my life time experience) and take the "loss" more gracefully.
Sometimes you don't need proof.. Listen to this song, It addresses same subject(Look at English subtitles)... Somethings are only meant to be felt.
https://youtu.be/KFKjYJFmPmo

The only thing communist tyrants are afraid of is religion and that's the reason they ban it..because it works.

WineHorror1 says

I admit, those are very good questions. It is my sincere belief that if/when the shit hits the fan one of the first things people will do is group up with those who are similar to them. Othering is a real thing.

The people can become crazy about "toilets rolls" or "black Friday shopping" and can stomp on each other.
How will you stop that?... If these minor things make people to get to this level.. what trust you have that major issue will stop them from behaving this way?
I know what can stop it and it doesn't discriminates:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vand_Chhako

I am sure other religions have something similar.

FarmersWon says

WineHorror1 says

I admit, those are very good questions. It is my sincere belief that if/when the shit hits the fan one of the first things people will do is group up with those who are similar to them. Othering is a real thing.

The people can become crazy about "toilets rolls" or "black Friday shopping" and can stomp on each other.
How will you stop that?... If these minor things make people to get to this level.. what trust you have that major issue will stop them from behaving this way?
I know what can stop it and it doesn't discriminates:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vand_Chhako

I am sure other religions have something similar.

I do not believe these things will be solved on this earth.

WineHorror1 says

I do not believe these things will be solved on this earth.

In the US they are already solved, It is just up to us as constitution is still followed to large extent providing personal freedom.
We can already chose to ignore everything and only involve in positive things.

In the end actually anybody can live the life as long as can control his desires.
https://www.ipl.org/essay/Analysis-Of-Man-Jeete-Jag-Jeet-In-P37SPHEAJP6
“Man Jeete Jag Jeet” in Japji Sahib by Guru Nanak is a world famous teaching of controlling over the desires of mind lest one gets corrupted by them. It means, one can win the world but one cannot easily win over the mind/ desires. Therefore, a man who has controlled his mind is greater than the one who has conquered the world. The characters – Marlow and Kurtz – in Joseph Conrad’s Heart of Darkness display such contrast. The present study is aimed at understanding the symbolic darkness in the novella in the light of above given line by Guru Nanak.

I know some religious people in family and friends.. Nothing can faze them as they have won their mind to large extent.

My Puerto Rican Bass player told me his Sister who still lives on the Island. The BLM and Antifa agitators showed up on the island back when Trump was President, and tried to cause a Race chasm among them. But being every Puerto Rican person on the island has either a Black father or Black grand father, they got the fuck beat out them and chased out of the towns they went to. They were rounded up by authorities and thrown out of the country. Things that our press wont tell us.

Racism doesn't exist until Left leaning Scumbags show up and make it an issue, because their sick sadistic polices do not appeal to a sane sound minded individual. So they have to make a group think division out of every society they encounter.

Tenpoundbass says

My Puerto Rican Bass player told me his Sister who still lives on the Island. The BLM and Antifa agitators showed up on the island back when Trump was President, and tried to cause a Race chasm among them. But being every Puerto Rican person on the island has either a Black father or Black grand father, they got the fuck beat out them and chased out of the towns they went to. They were rounded up by authorities and thrown out of the country. Things that our press wont tell us.

Racism doesn't exist until Left leaning Scumbags show up and make it an issue, because their sick sadistic polices do not appeal to a sane sound minded individual. So they have to make a group think division out of every society they encounter.

BLM and ANTIFA are elite driven groups to cause chaos and division. I think they are also used to extract money from private businesses by threatening harm.

Common folks want to live peacefully.

You're a real fucking card! You come over hear constantly projecting Racism and injecting into every argument you get into. But when the BLM and ANTIFA comes up you swish it away as "Bitches will be Bitches, they are just misunderstood folks."

And you have never EVER ONCE, responded to what I have said, instead you just come up with a new way to rephrase saying you Live in America and shit on everyone calling for freedom, and we all should jump on your cause, and Genocide everyone in India that isn't a Sikh. But fuck Americans, and their petty problems, the Right are racist and the Left aren't commies, they are just misunderstood. Oh Did I tell about our problems in India?

Go fuck up a rope already!

Tenpoundbass says

You're a real fucking card! You come over hear constantly projecting Racism and injecting into every argument you get into. But when the BLM and ANTIFA comes up you swish it away as "Bitches will be Bitches, they are just misunderstood folks."

And you have never EVER ONCE, responded to what I have said, instead you just come up with a new way to rephrase saying you Live in America and shit on everyone calling for freedom, and we all should jump on your cause, and Genocide everyone in India that isn't a Sikh. But fuck Americans, and their petty problems, the Right are racist and the Left aren't commies, they are just misunderstood. Oh Did I tell about our problems in India?

Go fuck up a rope already!

@patrick has provided a “free speech” platform without censorship and I speak my mind. Some people agree and other disagree with me.. Heck even I disagree with my own statements some other day.

It’s not bad to wish that everyone live peacefully and defeat the forces causing division.

FarmersWon says

It’s not bad to wish that everyone live peacefully and defeat the forces causing division.

Yes like the Biden administration. Like those that called January 6th protest something more violent and extreme than when BLM rioted, burned, looted, shot babies point blank in the head, shot and killed people on the street on video. The FBI made no intention of finding them and bringing them to justice. One was cornered and killed by the Feds because he was starting to blab on Social media about his arrangements. After they let him walk free for almost a week, having full evidence on video that he did shoot that Vet in Portland.

Your attempts at what you are doing, is transparent, go try that shit with people who probably are the cartoon version of Trump supporters, the MSM has you convinced that we are.

More over every single last thing that came out in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, every Patriot knew it was the truth the day Kyle shot them. We all saw those videos and knew full well the Media was lying about Kyle. Where as what you say in their defense and to chastise our ire at the liar scumbags. If fed by the same folks that lied about the Kenosha shootout.

If you had any intellectual integrity you would do your own research and know what we're up against. You wouldn't be running the "take the highroad" canard.

But you probably do know all of the facts, you're just being an agent provocateur.

Tenpoundbass says

FarmersWon says

It’s not bad to wish that everyone live peacefully and defeat the forces causing division.

Yes like the Biden administration. Like those that called January 6th protest something more violent and extreme than when BLM rioted, burned, looted, shot babies point blank in the head, shot and killed people on the street on video. The FBI made no intention of finding them and bringing them to justice. One was cornered and killed by the Feds because he was starting to blab on Social media about his arrangements. After they let him walk free for almost a week, having full evidence on video that he did shoot that Vet in Portland.

Your attempts at what you are doing, is transparent, go try that shit with people who probably are the cartoon version of Trump supporters, the MSM has you convinced that we are.

I am not spokesman for politicians or elites. I pretty much think they all benefit from division and lack leadership skills to bring people together.
They use low hanging fruit of divisiveness to hide their own incompetency.
If the people demand "peace" and the ones who cause chaos will be thrown out.

Tenpoundbass says

More over every single last thing that came out in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, every Patriot knew it was the truth the day Kyle shot them. We all saw those videos and knew full well the Media was lying about Kyle. Where as what you say in their defense and to chastise our ire at the liar scumbags. If fed by the same folks that lied about the Kenosha shootout.

If you had any intellectual integrity you would do your own research and know what we're up against. You wouldn't be running the "take the highroad" canard.

But you probably do know all of the facts, you're just being an agent provocateur.

You should be against people who cause split in society not common folks who are either brainwashed or don't care at all and want to live their lives peacefully.

FarmersWon says

You should be against people who cause split in society not common folks who are either brainwashed or don't care at all and want to live their lives peacefully.

Amen.

@FarmersWon

What in the hell gives you the idea that you have a solution for racism? This will NEVER be solved. NEVER. It's like trying to solve the abortion debate. Ain't. Gonna. Happen.

WineHorror1 says

@FarmersWon

What in the hell gives you the idea that you have a solution for racism? This will NEVER be solved. NEVER. It's like trying to solve the abortion debate. Ain't. Gonna. Happen.

@WineHorror1
If everyone stops being racist, There will be no racism left.
Can there be more simpler solution?

By the way I have not felt any racism in this country in last two decades at least. It is only the media which says racism is everywhere.
Whites, Blacks , Browns yellows, Pinks , violets all were nothing less than gracious to me.

FarmersWon says

By the way I have not felt any racism in this country in last two decades at least.

Believe me, it's under the surface. You're wasting your time.

I sometimes feel sorry for whites in California.
They have been so unfairly tarred for non existent racism that they have to invent almost comical demeanor to try to look not racist.

It is always great to meet people in their natural form not something artificially trying to appease non-white people.
Unsubstantiated racism claims to get unfair advantage will actually increase racism not decrease it.

FarmersWon says

If everyone stops being racist, There will be no racism left.
Can there be more simpler solution?

Says the asshole trying to inflame and incite Hindu people by calling them "Hindoos".

My BS detector has never once failed me.

Tenpoundbass says

FarmersWon says

If everyone stops being racist, There will be no racism left.
Can there be more simpler solution?

Says the asshole trying to inflame and incite Hindu people by calling them "Hindoos".

My BS detector has never once failed me.

Hindooo is not representative of Bharti people, Its is elite organization.
I am against divisive elites.
They live in mansions in London on stolen wealth sipping finest wines while telling common Bhartis to drink "cow piss".
I can't support that.

So if I'm parsing this with my Bull Shit detector right, and I believe I am, Iwog calibrated it for me.
You're saying your gripes are legitimate and just, while mine are all based on me being resentful and hateful at the racists hating on me. If we just shook hands my problems will go away, because the Elites are the problem.

In America we went through that argument for decades we just called them, "They" then "The Illuminati" and always treat it as some entity we knew nothing about. Today we have names and don't have to conjure up boogeymen to weigh in. Not only do we have names, be also know they raise billions and pay people to agitate create mayhem, and pandemonium, while City Managements gives them impunity to do so, while criminalizing those who object. You can guess which side of the shitty end of the stick they are trying to shove down America's throat might be. So don't play coy with me, and get real.
I keep calling out the bad actors and calling them out time and time again, and you keep coming back with this generalized "Kumbaya" bullshit, while you spout off about every race and religion in India that isn't a Sikh

Tenpoundbass says

You're saying your gripes are legitimate and just, while mine are all based on me being resentful and hateful at the racists hating on me. If we just shook hands my problems will go away, because the Elites are the problem.

I didn't say that. I say that most common folks just want to live peaceful lives and politicians/elites are deliberately creating divisions for own benefit.
Common folks can beat them by asking for better leadership solving real problems rather than amplifying their divisiveness to divert from poor leadership and incompetency and in many cases cruelty. Common folks can shake hands like elites and upgrade themselves... why do we have to be each other throats while leaders are playing pretend games and having nice party together.





Tenpoundbass says

I keep calling out the bad actors and calling them out time and time again, and you keep coming back with this generalized "Kumbaya" bullshit, while you spout off about every race and religion in India that isn't a Sikh

I didn't call you out. We just happen to disagree(which I am not sure also) how to fix it and who is responsible.
I have never said something against common Bhartis ever. Hindoo cult is current landlord and playing divisive game, So I speak against it. If it falls and something else elevated there.. That would be responsible party if continue to create divisions.

And as for an exhibit that can stand on its own, for my calls against the Left push toward communism, and to rebuke you bring up Racism the canard.

https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/20/rittenhouse-protesters-chant-communist-revolution-chicago/

Tenpoundbass says

And as for an exhibit that can stand on its own, for my calls against the Left push toward communism, and to rebuke you bring up Racism the canard.

https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/20/rittenhouse-protesters-chant-communist-revolution-chicago/

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@Tenpoundbass
Crony capitalist and communism are two sides of same coin. Both allow elites to wrest control from public to small segment of society.
Unfortunately US is flirting with both.

I hope don't have to spell out what the solution needs to be to reverse above.

It's not just race that pitts people against each other. Religion is a big one also.

WineHorror1 says

It's not just race that pitts people against each other. Religion is a big one also.

Very true.
Any philosophy which pits people against each other should be rejected.
I am more familiar with Sikhi and it does accept all paths as right as long as it avoids tyranny and exploitation.

And I believe there are only two genders, but try to keep the narrative in the context we are discussing.
Blanket statements and avoiding answering the fundamental questions, is not quality discourse.
Your objection to racists in the context of a Patnet discussion, is about as genuine, as Hank Johnson, prefacing White Supremacists have no place in America while he asks Trump nominees questions about credentials for the position. In fact he never misses an opportunity to inject his White Supremacy ramblings with any time he gets on the floor.
And so does the squad, and so does Clyburn, and so are you. Are you trying to bore us, do you have a particular thread that you want to smear Patnet as having a racist discussion? Because I would gladly debate you about it rather than your meandering all over the place to jump back to your blanket racist injections into the topic. Rather than keeping with the context of what we are discussing.

Or just say you're a Communist, or you like Communism, and you object to my trashing it. At least that would be honest.

What absolutisms about Capitalism is not a valid defense of Communism. Especially when you factor in every single reason Capitalism fails, is due to Socialists trying to sabotage it so they can inject Socialism.

And if you don't believe my last statement, then just look at the Liberal Billionaires, wreaking havoc all over the world so they can upend governments. They are even willing to starve millions of people to death to make their point. But the Conservative billionaires at this point are the one's subsidizing America's freedom, they are having to be America's Public Defender against the Evil vile Communist assaulting every day Americans with legal lawfare. If not for conservative billionaires 2020 would have been the end of it, and I would be calling you Comrade right now. Due to a fraudulent election brought to us, and paid for by Socialist Billionaires.