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Robert Sproul says

Yeah, so we adapt it and absorb it into OUR culture, the DOMINANT culture.
What do we have to do, learn Hindi and wear our fucking bed sheets around?
Pay a small licensing fee maybe?
Don't join the other loser cultures griping about "appropriation".

No amount of fee you pay will be enough for good health. And no one is asking to pay fee. Just acknowledging is enough.

richwicks says

If it's useful or superior, it SHOULD be appropriated.

I don't think Americans have any problem that India is using telephones, televisions, computer chips, the Internet, or anything else that was invented on this continent.

So sick of this stupid whining about "cultural appropriation".

Do you think people around the world dont acknowledge that all these are from America? And dont they even pay licensing fee to american companies? Do you even know what "appropriation" actually means?

indc says

richwicks says

If it's useful or superior, it SHOULD be appropriated.

I don't think Americans have any problem that India is using telephones, televisions, computer chips, the Internet, or anything else that was invented on this continent.

So sick of this stupid whining about "cultural appropriation".

Do you think people around the world dont acknowledge that all these are from America? And dont they even pay licensing fee to american companies? Do you even know what "appropriation" actually means?

Why don't you explain what "appropriation" means to you?

From what I've seen it applied to, it means simply adopting something from another culture. There's NOTHING wrong with that. This is called "development". The reason you want to have multiple systems of government and multiple systems of morality, and religion, is that different systems produce different outcomes, and from those outcomes one can identify what worked in that system, and what didn't, and adopt it improving their own particular system. The pieces of that culture are brought into the other cultures.

A single world religion, government, and culture will lead to permanent stagnation. Europe was a backward craphole for over a 1000 years after the Roman Empire fell. It left stagnation when the Americas were discovered and new cultures began to emerge from the new systems. Discoveries and improvements were brought back to Europe, and Europe was FORCED to adopt superior methods of culture because America, was frankly, kicking their ass and people were abandoning Europe for the Americas.

indc says

When your science proves that so called "superstitions" is actually science isn't it it's responsibility to acknowledge it?

No.

Does it matter who discovered relativity, quantum mechanics, RSA encryption, stack based processing, etc? Who cares where something is from, how it originated. What matters is that it works.

richwicks says

Why don't you explain what "appropriation" means to you?

From what I've seen it applied to, it means simply adopting something from another culture. There's NOTHING wrong with that..

You are defining cultural appropriation. Making black face or putting feathers in your hair is not really appropriation. Taking the knowledge and then telling the source that they are stupid is appropriation.

richwicks says

indc says

When your science proves that so called "superstitions" is actually science isn't it it's responsibility to acknowledge it?

No.

Does it matter who discovered relativity, quantum mechanics, RSA encryption, stack based processing, etc? Who cares where something is from, how it originated. What matters is that it works.

It does not matter who discovered whatever. So you are ok with china taking all your IP?

indc says

Taking the knowledge and then telling the source that they are stupid is appropriation.

If Indians were honest about this, you’d all still be living in mud huts and shitting in the street. You appropriated modern civilization from the West and you still want to whine about us appreciating some of your minor ideas?

Shaman says

indc says

Taking the knowledge and then telling the source that they are stupid is appropriation.

If Indians were honest about this, you’d all still be living in mud huts and shitting in the street. You appropriated modern civilization from the West and you still want to whine about us appreciating some of your minor ideas?

I dont want to usually reply to your comments because you are one dumb f shit. But today I want to say something to you. Learn before you talk. Do you know about indus valley civilization?

Do you know that your ancestors used to take a bath once a year? When they came to india they were making fun of Indians for taking bath everyday. HAHAHA. India has 10000yr old history. So stop your stupid comments of shitting in street and living in mud huts.

indc says

richwicks says

Why don't you explain what "appropriation" means to you?

From what I've seen it applied to, it means simply adopting something from another culture. There's NOTHING wrong with that..

You are defining cultural appropriation. Making black face or putting feathers in your hair is not really appropriation. Taking the knowledge and then telling the source that they are stupid is appropriation.

This is an entirely new definition to me.

I was thinking every culture appropriates from another. Which religion invented/owns meditation? Did it originate from Buddhism or Hinduism? The answer is, who cares? It's useful. You know what prevents Christians from ever engaging in meditation? Some think it's blasphemy because it's "Buddhist" or "Hindu". It's not. It's a useful technique to clear your mind and find peace for a few minutes so you don't go nuts.

indc says

5 items which are appropriated

"Appropriation" is a stupid concept.

Yes I know, old as shit civilization. Thousands of years and made virtually zero progress towards anything that mattered. Frequently conquered by more energetic civilizations, but they didn’t stick around long because nobody wants to live in a malaria hole. Rigid social class/caste system that was more inflexible than sharia law for thousands of years. Widows forced to toss themselves on their dead husband’s funeral pyres. No advances in systems of government beyond monarchy, religious, and bureaucratic oppression.

Very admirable.
What exactly are you proud of?

indc says

Do you know that your ancestors used to take a bath once a year? When they came to india they were making fun of Indians for taking bath everyday. HAHAHA. India has 10000yr old history. So stop your stupid comments of shitting in street and living in mud huts.

Do you know why Europeans took a bath so infrequently?

When the Roman Empire collapsed, the public bath houses weren't maintained, and over time, the ancestors simply didn't have the ability to maintain them - so because the Roman Catholic Church (which really was just the government of Europe, it was the successor to Rome) just declared that bathing was ungodly.

Learning and adopting different and superior ideas from other cultures is a GREAT thing. It brought about our current modernity. It would be good if the Americans learned what resistance led to the collapse of the USSR for example. I think that collapse was pretty bloodless - it was INSTANTLY taken over by a bunch of mafias though. It would be good of Americans learned what led to the the Nazi state in Germany. PARTS of the Nazi revolution there were good, some obviously not.

indc says

It does not matter who discovered whatever. So you are ok with china taking all your IP?

As long as it's not classified - yes.

I don't believe we should hoard good ideas. As China gets more advanced and the population more wealthy and powerful, they can exert more pressure on their government.

You realize that our establishment in the United States has always been this corrupt don't you? I can assure you, our media hasn't changed a bit in at least 20 years, it's ALWAYS been propaganda. What's actually changing is people are realizing that it's propaganda now, without realizing it was the same propaganda before. This is causing our very corrupt establishment a little discomfort.

Ever hear of the "great awakening"? This was coined not by some conspiracy theorist, it was coined by Zbigniew Brzezinski, and he was worried about it.

The reason, at least I, worked on the early Internet was to bring this about. I know a LOT of people who did. The purpose of building this communication system, was to share information, and not just technical information, but banned information. Julian Assange sure as hell believed in it, and he's my age. He paid a hell of a price for it but there will be more, and instead of having a single focal point like Wikileaks, there will be thousands, then hundreds of thousands.

I'm not enemies of some Chinese citizen, of Afghani, or Syrian, or Libyan. Our establishments are enemies and neither of our establishment tends to treat us very well. The truth is that (nearly) every government is enemies to its citizens and those that aren't, our nation attacks.

richwicks says
I was thinking every culture appropriates from another. Which religion invented/owns meditation? Did it originate from Buddhism or Hinduism? The answer is, who cares? It's useful. You know what prevents Christians from ever engaging in meditation? Some think it's blasphemy because it's "Buddhist" or "Hindu". It's not. It's a useful technique to clear your mind and find peace for a few minutes so you don't go nuts.

Again meditation is not a culture it is science. west copying culture I would say go nuts. But copying science and then cutting the source is wrong.

Assigning "culture" and "superstition" to science you dont understand and later saying that its your own is wrong.

richwicks says

When the Roman Empire collapsed, the public bath houses weren't maintained, and over time, the ancestors simply didn't have the ability to maintain them - so because the Roman Catholic Church (which really was just the government of Europe, it was the successor to Rome) just declared that bathing was ungodly.

Good explanation. Now to the idiot who keeps complaining about indians living in squalor. Invaders looted everything they had. Just UK is said to have looted 45trillion from India. Once the roman civilization ended it took 1000yrs for europe to come to some form of civilization again. India is just 75yrs old.

richwicks says

As long as it's not classified - yes.....Ever hear of the "great awakening"?

I too agree knowledge should not be siloed. In India i.e. hindus are not afraid of "great awakening". It is the christian and muslims who are afraid of loosing the control.

indc says

richwicks says

When the Roman Empire collapsed, the public bath houses weren't maintained, and over time, the ancestors simply didn't have the ability to maintain them - so because the Roman Catholic Church (which really was just the government of Europe, it was the successor to Rome) just declared that bathing was ungodly.

Good explanation. Now to the idiot who keeps complaining about indians living in squalor. Invaders looted everything they had. Just UK is said to have looted 45trillion from India. Once the roman civilization ended it took 1000yrs for europe to come to some form of civilization again. India is just 75yrs old.

I wouldn't say the occupation of India by England WAS a bad thing. It (mostly) ended the practice of Sati, it brought in modernity, it ended royal rule, it united a nation that had been fighting among one another for centuries, it (technically) ended the caste system, and it created a common language - English.

The English were far from perfect, but they weren't perfectly awful. If India made it to England first and conquered it, I'm pretty certain England would be entirely populated by Indians by now.

People complain about the abuses of European cultures, but it's deceptive. They were hardly the most brutal occupier. If you landed in Japan in 1700, you know what would have happened to you? You'd be killed. The Incas were entirely brutal. The Native Americans were disunited and were at constant war among their tribes.

Do you know that Lewis and Clark brought along with them an air gun? When they met a new tribe, they would demonstrate the weapon by shooting at a tree. It was 300 PSI and shot (I believe) a lead bullet. The did this to demonstrate their power should they be attacked and they never were attacked. To this day, some sniper rifles are air powered. This is because they shoot at below subsonic speed (quieter) and produce no visible exhaust. They go up to I believe 3000 PSI. I do not believe there are ANY restrictions on air powered rifles but you cannot recharge them very quickly.

indc says

Do you even know what "appropriation" actually means?

It's a wokeist term to shame white people for using things traditionally used by a "underprivileged" group. Like when a honky trustafarian wears dreadlocks.

Onvacation says

indc says

Do you even know what "appropriation" actually means?

It's a wokeist term to shame white people for using things traditionally used by a "underprivileged" group. Like when a honky trustafarian wears dreadlocks.

Every single ethnic group had dreadlocks at one point. You know what ended this practice?

Combs.

I believe I've answered this question some time back ... Joseph Pilates, a German-American, who was interned during WWI, combined hatha yoga with gymnastics/physical culture, to develop one of the best physical therapy systems of all time ... now named Pilates.

This system has spread throughout the west and outside of it, as the best way of developing core strength and rehabilitation.

If this were the year 3000 AD, someone like indc would say that Pilates was an Indian guy, not realizing that he synergized elements of an Indian tradition with western practices.

Even my moniker, Rin, is a hand mudra originating in ancient India but found its way to medieval Japan's ninjitsu. And yes, the Japanese built a martial arts system out of it.

https://patrick.net/post/1336626/2020-11-17-ok-here-is-rin



So is indc saying that the 16th century Japanese (east not west) have appropriated Indian knowledge despite having built a martial arts system out of it? Where's India's ninjitsu program?

richwicks says

I wouldn't say the occupation of India by England WAS a bad thing. It (mostly) ended the practice of Sati, it brought in modernity, it ended royal rule, it united a nation that had been fighting among one another for centuries, it (technically) ended the caste system, and it created a common language - English.

They killed the culture and now made a country of 1bil coolies. So no they did not help India in anyway.

Rin says

So is indc saying that the 16th century Japanese (east not west) have appropriated Indian knowledge despite having built a martial arts system out of it? Where's India's ninjitsu program?

I dont know about ninjitu. But you need to check with some older japanese to understand where their culture comes from.

If you want india's martial arts. there is kallaripaiyatu. which was banned by british because it was creating a martial race which they were not able to control.

Onvacation says

indc says

Do you even know what "appropriation" actually means?

It's a wokeist term to shame white people for using things traditionally used by a "underprivileged" group. Like when a honky trustafarian wears dreadlocks.

Dreadlocks? is this some knowledge system? Do you even try to read what I am trying to say? or the words just trigger something and you start to defend your history?

indc says

Onvacation says

indc says

Do you even know what "appropriation" actually means?

It's a wokeist term to shame white people for using things traditionally used by a "underprivileged" group. Like when a honky trustafarian wears dreadlocks.

Dreadlocks? is this some knowledge system? Do you even try to read what I am trying to say? or the words just trigger something and you start to defend your history?

Dreadlocks are a type of hairstyle:




Wearing them, if you're white (and I think a couple other races) has been called "cultural appropriation" although every culture that lacked the basic technology of a comb had them at one point. You will eventually get dreads if you stop combing your hair.

You can find many examples of the Greeks and Romans from 2000 years ago having dredlocks in their artwork.

indc says

defend your history

Defend?

History just is. Although mostly written by the victor.

indc says

richwicks says

I wouldn't say the occupation of India by England WAS a bad thing. It (mostly) ended the practice of Sati, it brought in modernity, it ended royal rule, it united a nation that had been fighting among one another for centuries, it (technically) ended the caste system, and it created a common language - English.

They killed the culture and now made a country of 1bil coolies. So no they did not help India in anyway.

Haha - they improved the culture.

Trust me, you would not want to live in 1700's India, anymore than I would want to live in 1700's Europe or America.

You'd be under a strict caste system. You'd almost certainly have to had to deal with war. No running water, no vehicles, no ability to communicate more than 30 miles. Books are super expensive and rare. What's a washing machine?

When I was a kid, I had a great grandmother, and when she was a child she went to school by horse and buggy. There was strict segregation between religions - Methodists and Catholics did NOT get along. She was subhuman, being Polish. When I talked to people of her generation, the biggest thing that changed for them over their lifetime is that "life became so easy". No vacuum cleaners, no dish washers, no microwave, no electric or gas stove, no washing machine.

You scrubbed clothes by hand, you wrung them out. You took rugs outside and beat them to clean them. Lighting was done by kerosene lamps, books were rare and very expensive - that's why education books like these:

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/search/?query=McGuffey%27s+Eclectic+Reader&submit_search=Go%21

Were so dense. Those books are for teaching reading and writing, from the basics, up until collegiate level. See how large they were.

Forcible mixing of culture was inevitable and I don't have an OUNCE of regret what the Europe did to India, because I had no control over it, or responsibility for it. Good or bad, it happened. I wouldn't exist if there wasn't a potato famine in Ireland and if Hitler didn't exist. Both those events didn't only make me possible, it made you possible. We're all a product of everything that came before us.

richwicks says

Forcible mixing of culture was inevitable and I don't have an OUNCE of regret what the Europe did to India, because I had no control over it, or responsibility for it. Good or bad, it happened. I wouldn't exist if there wasn't a potato famine in Ireland and if Hitler didn't exist. Both those events didn't only make me possible, it made you possible. We're all a product of everything that came before us.

I am not talking about what europeans did in 1700's. I am talking about what europeans are doing to the world now.

Did you read about what happened to canadian indigenous kids?
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/01/1012100926/graves-found-at-new-site-canadian-indigenous-group-says

And it is still followed in India even today.

Here is a evengalist's daugter-in-law audrey truschke still ranting about hindus being more evil:
https://mobile.twitter.com/audreytruschke/status/1426677197855760387?lang=en

Did you watch StarGate? do you think the aliens made the life of locals better by invading and making them slaves.

I dont expect you guys benefiting from opression to understand your short comings.

@Rin,

Wanted to ask you did you talk to your assamesse friends recently? A hardcore Hindu is the CM and it is rubbing the christians in the neighboring states the wrong way.

indc says

I dont expect you guys benefiting from opression to understand your short comings.

How is the average blue collar American “benefitting from oppression?” He is just working his ass off trying to provide for his family and earning an early grave as his reward. But he’s some kind of Machiavellian oppressor? There’s no reality in which that makes sense!
Fuck you’re dumb!
Were you born that way or is it a product of “education?”

I despise Indians that

A) Act like India was a united paradise before the British and pretend there were no Massive Famines under the Mughals or Vijaynagar
B) Refuse to acknowledge the MASSIVE gains in healthcare, industry, transport, lifespan, etc. provided by the West

and most of all:

C) Assign to the USA whatever beef they have with the UK. They can fuck right off.

indc says

I am not talking about what europeans did in 1700's. I am talking about what europeans are doing to the world now.

Haha, you think we control them?

It's not the EUROPEANS who are doing this, this is their governments, which are controlled apparently by my government.

indc says

Did you read about what happened to canadian indigenous kids?
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/01/1012100926/graves-found-at-new-site-canadian-indigenous-group-says

You have to be careful with this. Child mortality rates in reservations even today are very high. There wasn't a ton of money in these places that kept and raised these children. Infant mortality rates were very high until the 1940's. Smallpox, influenza, measles, mumps - infections. Before penicillin.

Unmarked graves? How do you know? Do you expect a marble tombstone? Or do you expect a wooden cross that rots away in 5 years? Modern Americans do not appreciate what life was like. Read about the children of our presidents, of Lincoln, of Washington, of Jackson. Notice how many of their children died, and they were wealthy and powerful people - and they still couldn't prevent it.

indc says

Here is a evengalist's daugter-in-law audrey truschke still ranting about hindus being more evil:
https://mobile.twitter.com/audreytruschke/status/1426677197855760387?lang=en

There's always nuts. I won't even bother to look. Religious nuts are the worst.

indc says

Did you watch StarGate? do you think the aliens made the life of locals better by invading and making them slaves.

That's a movie. It's fiction.

Here's a deadly serious question - there's an entire country in Africa reserved for any African American that wants to go back to Africa - it's called Liberia. See anybody packing up to go there? The original plan of Lincoln was to repatriate the slaves, he would be considered horrifically racist by today's standards. The United States is one of the best nations in the world for a black man to be. Talk to somebody from Africa - I have. One friend saw his friends murdered one by one by the communists that took over Ethiopia.

And slavery was certainly not moral, but before there was slavery, captured men from other tribes (or peoples) were simply killed, the male children were killed, and the women were incorporated into the conquering society.

Slavery was a STEP UP. The conquered men were sold, at least they could make some money from the sale.

Do you ever wonder why the Muslim states in the Middle East doesn't have a black population despite the rampant slavery they had in the 1700's? They castrated all the men. They didn't just remove their testicles, they cut off their entire penis and testicles in Africa, then left them to recuperate. If they survived they became slaves, if they didn't, they didn't.

Humanity is monstrous and it's not just white people. India had the practice of Sati - that is forcing a widow to burn to death on her husband's funeral pyre. What a horrific way to die, and that was COMMON. Shit, even the Europeans weren't ever that barbaric, only witches were killed that way, but in India, more than 1/2 the women died that way. That's fucking crazy. That continent DESERVED to be conquered to end that practice.

Every race is an inch away from being just fucking evil.

I live a comfortable, easy life, but if I was born in another time, I'd be an entirely different person. As barbaric and savage as anything you can imagine. This is because Europeans made the world comfortable and easy. Even though we are plenty fucking savage, we are far less savage. Think war is awful now? If this was 1950, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Pakistan, Somalia, and Libya would have been DEFINITELY conquered, with 1/2 the population easily dead. If we had a conflict then, it would have been nuclear bombs.

Do you know how the US conquered the Philippines? The Filipino men went into the hills to fight a guerrilla war and left their family behind - so the US military started killing the people left behind demanding surrender and the Filipino men did. This was around 1900. We COULD conquer the Afghanis no problem, if we drop to complete barbarity. Public won't support it though. We wouldn't need to kill the Taliban men, we'd just kill all the women and children. Then they can't run can they? They have to protect their wives and children. One on one, would be EASY to win.

We wouldn't have to even do that, just sterilize them all and wait 25 years. We can do that with a single pill for women, and for male children, we can do it with a 5 minute procedure with a syringe.

You think we're monsters now? Pray to god you never see the savagery that we can do and simply chose not to do because of our moral sensibilities, which you whine and moan about. You keep calling us immoral and evil, well, if we become evil, you'll finally see the face of it.

Damn, Rich. +100

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Damn, Rich. +100

It irritates me to no end. We could have conquered the entire world by 1950 if we chose to do it. We had the nuclear bomb. If we had handed over the technology to Europe, we could have easily taken over Russia. Once we had Russia, it would have been a small matter to entirely eradicate the Chinese race, then the Indian race. Africa would be the easiest, so it would be last on the plate.

If we really were a monster race, that's what we would have done.

I am personally glad we didn't do this, but I'm fully aware we could have.

The reason the people that complain about supposed "white supremacy" don't realize they can complain about this because we don't exercise it. If we did, they wouldn't exist.

It's vitally important that NOBODY ever take over the world. A one world government would be tyranny in short order, which would be impossible to escape. I'm more or less an atheist, but I thank God we're not as savage as we are portrayed to be. Life wouldn't be worth living if we were as savage as we're capable of being.

If we teamed up with the Russians, it would be small matter to take over the planet today. The loss of life would be staggering - much worse than it would have been in 1950, but we can still do it. Russians are white.. Just think of all the Lebensraum we could have and can still, easily take.

richwicks says

It's not the EUROPEANS who are doing this, this is their governments, which are controlled apparently by my government.

You can keep saying it is not your problem. But Pope goes to India and asks everyone to convert. Indian christians say they are above the local law.

richwicks says

You have to be careful with this. Child mortality rates in reservations even today are very high. There wasn't a ton of money in these places that kept and raised these children. Infant mortality rates were very high until the 1940's. Smallpox, influenza, measles, mumps - infections. Before penicillin.

Unmarked graves? How do you know? Do you expect a marble tombstone? Or do you expect a wooden cross that rots away in 5 years? Modern Americans do not appreciate what life was like. Read about the children of our presidents, of Lincoln, of Washington, of Jackson. Notice how many of their children died, and they were wealthy and powerful people - and they still couldn't prevent it.

Did you follow that news? they did not die because of mal-nutrition. They were physically harmed. But they are pagans you dont care about them.

richwicks says

There's always nuts. I won't even bother to look. Religious nuts are the worst..

You dont even bother to check the article and keep shiting from your you know what. This is not religious fringe. She is a professor and Depts from 40 Universities are supporting this political event.

richwicks says

Humanity is monstrous and it's not just white people. India had the practice of Sati - that is forcing a widow to burn to death on her husband's funeral pyre. What a horrific way to die, and that was COMMON. Shit, even the Europeans weren't ever that barbaric, only witches were killed that way, but in India, more than 1/2 the women died that way. That's fucking crazy. That continent DESERVED to be conquered to end that practice.

Again you lie. There are more women who were killed for being witches than for Sati. You are dumb to not understand the difference between both. Witches were burnt against their wishes, sati was according to womens wishes. Bloody western narrative.

Shaman says

indc says

I dont expect you guys benefiting from opression to understand your short comings.

How is the average blue collar American “benefitting from oppression?” He is just working his ass off trying to provide for his family and earning an early grave as his reward. But he’s some kind of Machiavellian oppressor? There’s no reality in which that makes sense!
Fuck you’re dumb!
Were you born that way or is it a product of “education?”

That is a good point ordinary citizens are oppressed by your govt. So you dont have any responsibilities. When you go to your church ask them to stop the conversion of non-believers. Ask your representatives to stop conversions in name of humanitarian aid. What is the difference between you and CCP controlled china where people cannot question their govt.

richwicks says

The reason the people that complain about supposed "white supremacy" don't realize they can complain about this because we don't exercise it. If we did, they wouldn't exist.

You think your ancestors did not do this. They let few people from other races survive because they needed the slaves. Why do you think there are no strong people in the third world now? You think only white supermacists are tall dark and handsome?

Indonesia had history of 6ft plus men. All of them were killed off and now all those are left are weak slaves.

indc says

When you go to your church ask them to stop the conversion of non-believers.

I don't go to church. I'm a non-believer.

indc says

Ask your representatives to stop conversions in name of humanitarian aid.

What representatives of mine are you talking about? Name them by their name.

indc says

What is the difference between you and CCP controlled china where people cannot question their govt.

We openly question our government, and when if we're forced underground, we'll continue to question our government.

Our government is corrupt. I'm not the only person here saying this. My lowest estimation is that 50% of the people here would agree, including you. We don't control it but we're trying to control it.

indc says

richwicks says

It's not the EUROPEANS who are doing this, this is their governments, which are controlled apparently by my government.

You can keep saying it is not your problem. But Pope goes to India and asks everyone to convert. Indian christians say they are above the local law.

Well don't listen to the stupid Pope then. I don't! I was raised Catholic. The Pope is an asshole. I'm not going to restrict freedom of speech, that dickhead child fucker can say whatever he likes.

indc says

richwicks says

You have to be careful with this. Child mortality rates in reservations even today are very high. There wasn't a ton of money in these places that kept and raised these children. Infant mortality rates were very high until the 1940's. Smallpox, influenza, measles, mumps - infections. Before penicillin.

Unmarked graves? How do you know? Do you expect a marble tombstone? Or do you expect a wooden cross that rots away in 5 years? Modern Americans do not appreciate what life was like. Read about the children of our presidents, of Lincoln, of Washington, of Jackson. Notice how many of their children died, and they were wealthy and powerful people - and they still couldn't prevent it.

Did you follow that news? they did not die because of mal-nutrition. They were physically harmed. But they are pagans you dont care about them.

Our "news" as you call it is complete fucking bullshit. For example, find that weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq yet? Where's the "Russian Collusion"? Stupid people listen to our propagandists that call themselves "news".

Their job is to divide us, lie to us, misinform us, and keep us compliant with the system, and at war with one another.

indc says

richwicks says

There's always nuts. I won't even bother to look. Religious nuts are the worst..

You dont even bother to check the article and keep shiting from your you know what. This is not religious fringe. She is a professor and Depts from 40 Universities are supporting this political event.

No, I didn't bother to check the article from some fucking idiot. Ohhhh, a professor!!!! So what?

I went to a university to get a STEM degree in electrical engineering. I didn't waste my time listening to asshole nutcases with bullshit degrees with "PhD" added to their names.

indc says

richwicks says

Humanity is monstrous and it's not just white people. India had the practice of Sati - that is forcing a widow to burn to death on her husband's funeral pyre. What a horrific way to die, and that was COMMON. Shit, even the Europeans weren't ever that barbaric, only witches were killed that way, but in India, more than 1/2 the women died that way. That's fucking crazy. That continent DESERVED to be conquered to end that practice.

Again you lie. There are more women who were killed for being witches than for Sati. You are dumb to not understand the difference between both. Witches were burnt against their wishes, sati was according to womens wishes. Bloody western narrative.

Oh no. Don't Indian wash your own history. Don't pretty it up. Women were often forced, and there was great societal pressure on them to do it, because they would be left without income or any wealth. Slow death versus painful fiery, but relatively quick, death.

Witch burnings were incredibly rare, but they happened. Scholars think between 40,000 and 50,000 were executed this way in all of known European history.

In my ancestry, child human sacrifice most likely existed, until the Romans showed up. Glad they did.

Go far enough back, and your ancestors were brutal, primitive, barbarians without exception. It's true of everybody.

Wasn't a Sikh boiled in a pot of water to death to get him to recant his religious belief? This happened multiple times in fact.

What about Shahid Bhai Gurdev Singh? That happened in 1987. I was 16 when that happened, that happened in my lifetime. Your race is far more brutal than mine is. We do horrible shit, but not that horrible. Nobody in the modern west pulls that sort of fucking brutality under government authority.

Yours does. Tell me about how primitive and brutal my government is, again?

richwicks says

Oh no. Don't Indian wash your own history. Don't pretty it up. Women were often forced, and there was great societal pressure on them to do it, because they would be left without income or any wealth. Slow death versus painful fiery, but relatively quick, death.
Witch burnings were incredibly rare, but they happened. Scholars think between 40,000 and 50,000 were executed this way in all of known European history.

I did not want this post to be about Sati.

Here is an article explaining how many Sati incidents happened in India.
http://indiafacts.org/sati-historical-evidence/

Now share your witch burning stats article.