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I don't @ users often, but @Richwicks you are wasting your time. No one is arguing about bitcoin anymore so some user is jumping into other threads to troll.

I don't fully agree with you on everything but that doesn't matter. I'll at least attempt to have a valid conversation with you. Question everything. You're not going to get that in this thread at this point though. I think you know this. I've backed off on the other threads. There's logic and there's lunacy. I'm pretty sure you know what you're dealing with... I'd just engage with others.

WookieMan says

I don't @ users often, but @Richwicks you are wasting your time. No one is arguing about bitcoin anymore so some user is jumping into other threads to troll.

Well, this is a thread about 9/11 essentially, not bitcoin.

WookieMan says

I don't fully agree with you on everything but that doesn't matter.

If you believe I'm wrong about something, feel free to point it out. I can't take offense very easily.

WookieMan says

I'll at least attempt to have a valid conversation with you. Question everything. You're not going to get that in this thread at this point though. I think you know this. I've backed off on the other threads. There's logic and there's lunacy. I'm pretty sure you know what you're dealing with...

I don't try to categorize like that, I think it's actually knowledge/ignorance and gullibility/cynicism. I know people that simply distrust the mainstream narrative, that then go on to believe that 5G is going to kill us all, HAARP makes earthquakes happen, and human beings can be cloned so you can get weird mixtures of people who are skeptical, ignorant, gullible, and cynical all at the same time. A lot of people seem to have a need to trust somebody as an authority. Generally that's the government, sometimes it's religious leaders, sometimes it's just crackpots. When it comes down to it, the only person you should trust is yourself, but you have to always remember the infinite well of ignorance we all have.

richwicks says

Listen, the only statement I can make with regard to 9/11 is the public has been lied to about what happened. Going into speculation of what precisely was done and how it was done, is pointless speculation. Who cares?

Exactly!

Anybody that doesn't admit the official story is even possible is willfully ignorant or hyping propaganda.

Onvacation says

Anybody that doesn't admit the official story is even possible is willfully ignorant or hyping propaganda.

Exactly.

If the government doesn't need to lie, they wouldn't lie. They would only lie if there was something to hide.

It appears that Mossad was involved with 9/11 because our government is hiding information about their involvement, Saudi Arabia certainly was involved with this, the government lied about that for years, they lied about how WTC7 collapsed because their finite element simulation doesn't match observation, and it seems the government had involvement with the attack on the Pentagon, because it's difficult to believe our military is so fucking stupid, that they would allow their headquarters be hit 1/2 hour after a terrorist attack was underway and they allowed a known (must have been known) hijacked plane to hit their HQ.

People demand you explain to them exactly what happened and come up with a hypothesis - fuck, I don't know, and since I don't know how an intelligence agency betrayal was done exactly which they had 1000's of man hours to plan, I'm crazy not to trust them.

I just know the government is lying and hiding information. They're not trustworthy. It's not up to me to prove exactly how it was done when they are acting extremely suspicious, it's up to the government to prove to me they are telling how it was done, and they are telling the truth and I don't believe they are.

There were suspicious stock market trades shorting airlines - which were never cashed in, they were abandoned, the SEC didn't follow up on it, there were some Israelis photographing themselves when the buildings were burning (and some reports before they were burning) and they have only released a handful of pictures, redacted, with DRASTICALLY reduced quality, they won't release the finite element simulation of WTC7 from NIST, there's no explanation why there was molten metal at ground 0, there's no reasonable explanation on how passports from the supposed hijackers were found, in pristine condition, near ground zero, there's no explanation as to why the Silverman family just happened to not have their daily breakfast at the towers, it's a hell of a coincidence that Silverman increased insurance on the buildings something like 6 months before, there's been no investigation into anything.

If what happened IS what happened, there would be no questions - there would be explanations for everything. If they just said Silverman was dealing with explosive diarrhea for the last week due to food poisoning and hadn't gone to the towers for the last 3 days, it would be something to grasp onto.

They don't even bother. They don't care - as long as enough people accept the lie, they don't give a shit. It's quite probable they want part of the population to know. I don't know, I can't really get into their head, I can attempt to think like a grouptank of sociopaths, but I'm not a grouptank or a sociopath.

Onvacation says

For some, the cognitive dissonance of 9/11 is too hard to fathom and they put their fingers in their ears and say things like, "you are def too far down the rabbit hole and everything becomes a conspiracy. I wish you all the best." instead of trying to rebut, or even look at the evidence you are showing them.

@WookieMan,
see onvacation reads my comments :) He's "officially" having me on ignore which means he reads my comments when he's not logged in and then comments on them indirectly. Hilarious!

In terms off the 9/11 conspiracy, we have heard pretty crazy, unrealistic stories....What makes the most sense is usually what the majority of smart people believe as well. Radical muslims want us dead, just look at them burning our beautiful flag. Luckily, we have strong US forces who keep us safe!

Isnt it great to have navy seals and drones??!

If you believe the US government would kill its own people you should join the jihadists.
The US leaves no man behind, no matter how badly injured. If you mess with us, you have to deal with the consequences of our navy seals. We are superior. Strongest military, best training and next level tech! Jihadists dont stand a chance against our super power.
God bless our troops! I mean, just by looking at jihadists versus our bad ass troops you know who the good guys are, dont you?

Bitcoin says

If you believe the US government would kill its own people you should join the jihadists.
The US leaves no man behind, no matter how badly injured.

Yes, government do.
How many US solders lost live in Vietnam, Iraq, Afagnistan... For What???????????????? Our Freedom??????? Naive, naive.

Bitcoin says

If you believe the US government would kill its own people you should join the jihadists.

You're naive.

The US did MKUltra. LIke I said, I can't take you seriously. There's plenty of history of the US government violently abusing their citizens, using them as test subjects. Look at how veterans are treated.

I consider you a troll or abysmally ignorant about the history of what the US government has done to its citizens and its servicemen. I don't believe you are as ignorant as you claim to be.

The entire United States is being subjected to a "vaccine" that is mRNA or DNA based, which has never been tested in human beings, and neither are approved by the FDA. The US federal government absolutely doesn't care about the welfare of its citizens.

richwicks says

a troll

richwicks says

Bitcoin says

If you believe the US government would kill its own people you should join the jihadists.

You're naive.

We should remember that the US government is not a single unified thing. There are of course good and bad people in it.

Bad people like Fauci would definitely kill large numbers of people for profit imho, and I think he is actually doing this with his lockdowns and "vaccines".

just_passing_through says

richwicks says

a troll

Possibly, but don't be so certain.

There are a lot of people who just mindlessly chant "USA! USA!" and never address criminal behavior of the state. I expected them to be the browshirts 15 years ago, not these useful idiot communist dupes. They still may be yet.

Patrick says

Bad people like Fauci would definitely kill large numbers of people for profit imho, and I think he is actually doing this with his lockdowns and "vaccines".

Yup. I don't think we'll ever know the true numbers. People basically not being allowed to work. Then they start substances of some sort. Divorce. Child abuse. Lack of children's education. Foreclosure. Delayed retirement. Business closures.

It will never be admitted even if there's ironclad data, but the reaction has caused more harm than if we just let this fucking virus do its thing. It's not that contagious or dangerous. I'm living proof since giving zero fucks starting in May of 2020. The fear mongering is staggering. When I mention to people what we've done since May they look at me like I should be dead or I'm an enemy to them. Fuck off and grow up.

We're gonna see one last spike and it goes away by June and we should generally have a normal summer with masks in big cities and airports. They'll change the testing protocol at some point and the media won't ever report it. Facebook and Youtube will censor anyone that has valid knowledge of the situation. You'll be crazy if you question anything. But there's nothing stopping government from making covid go away and go away quickly. The "vaccine" or "testing" can change any time the CDC or WHO decides.

WookieMan says

They'll change the testing protocol at some point

They already have.

If the coup had not put the POTATUS in office the virus would be raging and the cities would be on fire. Look how George Floyd is still being held up as a freedom fighter against racism instead of the felonious thug he is.

WookieMan says

Facebook and Youtube will censor anyone that has valid knowledge of the situation.

They already have.

The MSM is still pushing masking and vaccination as if it is the only way to stop millions of deaths.

Asshoes!

On the nights of September 9 and 10, 2001, the comedian George Carlin performed shows at the MGM Grand casino, in Las Vegas, working through material that he planned to use at the taping of his next HBO special, in November. It was going to be called “I Kinda Like It When a Lotta People Die.”

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/george-carlins-shocking-prescience-on-the-nights-before-911

Onvacation says

WookieMan says

They'll change the testing protocol at some point

They already have.

Yes, the WHO changed PCR amplification test guidance to make it much less likely to return a positive result exactly on POTATUS's inauguration day.

Lo and behold, that was the peak of the scamdemic.

Everything becomes a conspiracy. 9/11, the vaccines, etc.
What I do believe is that it wont get any easier to obtain guns and ammo in the future....so I am loading up.
In terms of being accused of trolling and being naive.....I dont buy into the fantasy stories that the US government prepped the WTC with explosive charges and that the people who prepped the WTC didnt know anything about it. "Just drop a bag here". Talk to any professional demolition worker....they will tell you this is a huge effort that takes lots of resources, time and effort. When you ask a conspiracy theorists, they can give you an explanation for everything and it gets crazier and crazier the more you ask. The final answer is that you are a troll or naive for asking questions.

Whats far more likely is that some people want to capitalize on their writing skills. Problem is that you wont make much money by writing and selling Hansel & Gretel 2, so you come up with fantasy stories tied to recent events (conspiracy theories).

You should be thankful to live in todays world. I can tell my phone (siri) to turn my yard lights off and I can work 100% from home. Meanwhile our high tech drones and highly skilled snipers keep us safe by eliminating middle easterners (muslim terrorists). This is the best country on earth. We are #1. Be thankful to live here! Its a privilege!

This group of navy seals can take out 100's of jihadists:

Bitcoin says

they will tell you this is a huge effort that takes lots of resources, time and effort.

What happened with Building 7 proved this all wrong. It does not take lots of resources, time and effort to bring down a 47 story building. The demolition companies have been ripping people off forever. It does not take miles of cable and thousands of explosive charges and many man hours to accomplish imploding a building.

All it takes is a pretty good sized fire going on one of the lower floors of the building then just wait less than a day. And, presto, the building will collapse into its footprint.

I can't believe someone did not catch on to the demo companies' scam before. All that time and money wasted over the years. So unnecessary.

At least now we know. I am thinking of putting an ad on Las Vegas Craigslist for implosion services just in case someone wants to take down an old casino. I learned everything I need to know from Building 7. I get a little gasoline and light on fire whatever is flammable on a lower floor of the building. Then I wait for perfect collapse.

One day's work. Easy peasy. I am thinking $10,000 fee.

Bitcoin says

This group of navy seals can take out 100's of jihadists:

I heard a good term today. The "banality of evil". It means that evil doesn't think, it just plods on without thinking. No moral consideration is made. Hannah Arendt coined the term, when writing about Adolph Eichmann who she concluded wasn't actually evil, he was just a cog in the machine trying to do the best job he could do.

I give up on trying to get you to think about what you're supporting. You are either incapable of thinking about it, or you're actively just trolling. It's impossible to tell. Many people have very superficial thought and are incapable of realizing they are repeating propaganda.

Kepi says

The demolition companies have been ripping people off forever. It does not take miles of cable and thousands of explosive charges and many man hours to accomplish imploding a building

Interesting! Can you share details....lets start a demolition business, do it the right way (much faster, barely any cables), and underbid everyone. Lets grab market share and once the established competitors are close to bankruptcy we take them over.

Just for reference, can you tell us which building you have successfully demolished? Not that I don't believe you, but it would be nice to have some proof before we start our business venture.

Bitcoin says

Kepi says

The demolition companies have been ripping people off forever. It does not take miles of cable and thousands of explosive charges and many man hours to accomplish imploding a building

Interesting! Can you share details....lets start a demolition business, do it the right way (much faster, barely any cables), and underbid everyone. Lets grab market share and once the established competitors are close to bankruptcy we take them over.

Just for reference, can you tell us which building you have successfully demolished? Not that I don't believe you, but it would be nice to have some proof before we start our business venture.

We now have confirmation. Troll authenticated.

Kepi says

Bitcoin says

Kepi says

The demolition companies have been ripping people off forever. It does not take miles of cable and thousands of explosive charges and many man hours to accomplish imploding a building

Interesting! Can you share details....lets start a demolition business, do it the right way (much faster, barely any cables), and underbid everyone. Lets grab market share and once the established competitors are close to bankruptcy we take them over.

Just for reference, can you tell us which building you have successfully demolished? Not that I don't believe you, but it would be nice to have some proof before we start our business venture.

We now have confirmation. Troll authenticated.

How? You made an unrealistic claim, I just asked for validation. I think your statement was BS.

Bitcoin says

How? You made an unrealistic claim, I just asked for validation. I think your statement was BS.

I assume he is trolling the 9/11 truthers when he says this below.

Kepi says

What happened with Building 7 proved this all wrong. It does not take lots of resources, time and effort to bring down a 47 story building. The demolition companies have been ripping people off forever. It does not take miles of cable and thousands of explosive charges and many man hours to accomplish imploding a building.

All it takes is a pretty good sized fire going on one of the lower floors of the building then just wait less than a day. And, presto, the building will collapse into its footprint.

The massive commercial airliners full of fuel created some "pretty good sized fires" on multiple floors.

socal2 says

The massive commercial airliners full of fuel created some "pretty good sized fires" on multiple floors.

I heard from reputable sources on the internet that thousands of gallons of fuel poured down the elevator into the basement. It blew up the lobby and then started some office fires over at WTC7.

Other sources say it was only hundreds of gallons.

This is why I don't like to argue minutiae on the Internet.

WTC7 was classic implosion. They took out the supporting beams and columns and the structure collapsed into a pile of dust and molten steel.

They just blew up the twin towers. I am sure they had a bomb planting patsy ready if people weren't gullible enough to believe the "fire induced collapse" explanation.

Never underestimate peoples gullibility.

socal2 says

The massive commercial airliners full of fuel created some "pretty good sized fires" on multiple floors.

Yes, they are just before hit, get refiled in flight with nota bene low fire temp. kerosene, but steel beams, asbestos, concrete floor, drywalls, metal cabinets, computers, rise temp. close to melting iron point,... interesting. But they miss building 7, what a shame.

REpro says

Yes, they are just before hit, get refiled in flight with nota bene low fire temp. kerosene, but steel beams, asbestos, concrete floor, drywalls, metal cabinets, computers, rise temp. close to melting iron point,... interesting. But they miss building 7, what a shame.

Nobody that has read the official story really believes it.

We have been under a police state for the last two decades. It is just getting more obvious.

Don't forget: All the floors in the Twin Towers were equipped with sprinkler systems.

20 year anniversary soon.
David Chandler says

That condo in Florida will be used as "proof" that buildings can collapse for any reason.

Does anyone that has looked at the official report AND the evidence actually believe 2 jets took down 3 towers in NYC and terrorists flying a hijacked jet were able to hit the Pentagon?

We are in a civil war and I am very wary of the future.

Onvacation says

We are in a civil war and I am very wary of the future.

I disagree. We are in a very slow moving revolution. As more and more time goes on, more and more people are realizing who the enemy is.

In a civil war, your government defines what the two sides are. I'm a revolution the population finally figures out who the enemy actually is.

Our criminal government is trying to foment civil war, if they can - in that event, they survive. In a revolution, we remove our criminal government.

I killed Kennedy when he told Jackie not to blow me any more.

Frank Sturgis had the contract but I wanted the pleasure of putting the little busy body away myself.

SumatraBosch says

Frank Sturgis

Sturgis met up with Castro and his 400 rebels in the Sierra Maestra mountains. Sturgis offered to train Castro's troops in guerrilla warfare. Castro accepted the offer, but he also had an immediate need for guns and ammunition, so Sturgis became a gunrunner.[2] Using money from anti-Batista Cuban exiles in Miami and some suspect the CIA, Sturgis purchased boatloads of weapons and ammunition from CIA weapons expert Samuel Cummings' International Armament Corporation in Alexandria, Virginia. Sturgis explained later that he chose to throw in with Castro rather than Prio because Fidel was a soldier, a man of action, whereas Prio was a politician, more a man of words.[13]

In March 1958, Sturgis opened a training camp in the Sierra Maestra mountains, where he taught Che Guevara and other 26th of July Movement rebel soldiers guerrilla warfare.[14] When Castro seized power, Sturgis was part of a rebel firing squad on San Juan Hill on January 11, 1959, that executed 71 of their opponents into an awaiting 40-foot ditch that had been opened with a bulldozer. Afterward, Sturgis was photographed holding a rifle on top of the covered mass grave.[15]

Holy crap.

Yeah, Frank never got around to taking out Castro and his lieutenants. Idea was to lead the revolution and then co-opt it and cash out Cuba for what it was worth. Nice work if you can get it and don't get distracted.

Born Frank Angelo Fiorini, from Philly.

Probably related to Fauci and Pelosi.