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Automan Empire says

When the word "Deplorables" was used, it wasn't referring to all 50% of the American population that identifies as conservative. It was referring to this SPECIFIC type of conservative.

Yeah, anybody that opposes war and realizes their government is run and controlled by criminals.

Those are the "deplorables".

Automan Empire says

Don't play slow and stupid with me here.

Stop being prejudiced.

Onvacation says

Stop being prejudiced.

You're not even who I asked. DARVO is no better than slow and stupid. I think this topic-hopping game is a surrogate indicator that you can't even face your own POV internally without cognitive dissonance, much less defend it to someone else who doesn't already agree and share it with you.

Automan Empire says

He's free to defend his point of view if he so chooses. Like arguing with a woman, right wingers tend to change the subject rather than be held accountable to literally

Look, in my opinion you're just pushing for an argument - you don't have any interest in understanding.

I consider it very childish to engage in an argument simply to "win". If you want to understand a person's actual point of view and challenge your own in the process, you have a discussion - you don't engage in strawman BS.

Mr and Mrs Potato Head have ALWAYS had interchangeable parts, so having a company pander to to the TINY minority of "non binaries" is nothing more than virtual signalling BS and some free marketing as our "news" discusses this "who gives a crap" virtue signalling position from a company that makes a toy that adults have vague memories of, but children have in the vast majority of cases never heard of.

Pretty soon companies will be announcing that teddy bears and stuffed toys are "gender neutral" - really? No vagina's and tits on a stuffed toy? What a new concept but I guarantee it's coming.

richwicks says

you're just pushing for an argument - you don't have any interest in understanding.

Dude, the entire conversation is in writing above. I explained my position on the topic in post 7, refuted the claim made in the OP, and challenged those who dislike the change to dig deeply for their reasons why and address them without deflection. Your response here reminds me of my erstwhile best friend's (cunt of a) wife, whose response to literally any difference of opinion was, "You're being negative! Stop being negative!"

richwicks says

some free marketing

That's exactly what it is, as I stated already. Marketing and capitalism working as intended. Except the topic appears to squick you out enough that you find routine marketing techniques problematic all of a sudden.

What does any heterosexual, binary, cisgendered person lose from this change of packaging? That is the question I raised and predicted difficulty getting a straight answer to.

Automan Empire says

That's exactly what it is, as I stated already. Marketing and capitalism working as intended. Except the topic appears to squick you out enough that you find routine marketing techniques problematic all of a sudden.

These are not "routine marketing techniques".

Automan Empire says

What does any heterosexual, binary, cisgendered person lose from this change of packaging?

They don't care.

People are just tired of being beaten over the head with the "progressive agenda". Basically the company is trying to appeal to a insignificant minority, where the VAST majority are just rolling their eyes. The next step when sales stay stagnant or even crater will be to call anybody that won't buy their dumb product a racist, a sexist, a this a that. For years people have put up with this and are tired of it.

GhostBusters 2016 could have been the best movie ever made, but I certainly wasn't going to give them any money when ALL criticism of the film was that a bunch of man babies were upset it had women in the lead. People are just tired of being cajoled and nagged to purchase inferior products and then denounced when people refuse to fork over their money. Now it's Playskool doing it.

People get fed up with this, and simply boycott it. This is why NFL viewship has cratered, why films are becoming less profitable, why entire franchises are dying. What they are selling people don't want to buy.

richwicks says

These are not "routine marketing techniques".

OMG, you actually ARE resorting to denying basic bread and butter branding and marketing techniques to avoid the topic.

richwicks says

They don't care.

Followed by "3 paragraphs shaking out a gunny sack of complaints about different topics and strawman predictions" worth of not-caring.

All to dodge the question, what does anyone actually lose here?

richwicks says

People are just tired

Exactly why I proposed grave dancing after Rush Limbaugh's death. This was one of his main tools to sell his POV, and Snapple, to his conservative audience.

I remember when political discourse was different and better before him.

Automan Empire says

All to dodge the question, what does anyone actually lose here?

Here, let me put it this way:

Who cares?

Let's move on to the next faux artificially constructed "outrage" nobody gives a damned about.

richwicks says

Who cares?

Let's move on to the next faux artificially constructed "outrage" nobody gives a damned about.

OK, so are you wrapping up this conservative-initiated discussion by actually conceding that the Mr. Potato Head label is NOT a worthy topic of discussion and that even starting this thread was a waste of time over a non-issue?

Or are you playing that game of pretending (within this conservative initiated thread) that conservatives never cared about this, and plan to mind-wipe this entire discussion yet pick right back up the next time one of these conservative trigger topics ropes you all in again?

Automan Empire says

OK, so are you wrapping up this conservative-initiated discussion by actually conceding that the Mr. Potato Head label is NOT a worthy topic of discussion and that even starting this thread was a waste of time over a non-issue?

Xir Potato Head isn't worthy of discussion.

The motivation about making Xir Potato Head is worthy of discussion - for some.

The concept of a non binary POTATO was entirely foreign just 5 years ago. No company would have been promoting this stupidity, and after 4 years of it, it's rather exhausting and eye rolling.

Automan Empire says

Or are you playing that game of pretending (within this conservative initiated thread) that conservatives never cared about this

Conservative/liberal are just words. They don't contain any ideology or principles at all.

There's correct and incorrect, and if rationale for a policy is useful or detrimental. Nothing else.

I don't give a damned what Playskool does, but it does raise the question why corporations are potentially alienating over 99% of their population with this endless rhetoric and beating people over the head of it.

I always buy toys for Toys For Tots in Christ-my-ass, but I'm not going to search out toys from virtue signalling corporations that are falling victim to what is me, obvious and relentless propaganda. I'm tired of this shit. I don't know what the end game is, but considering our government keeps bailing out failed corporations, and I don't think this junk is actually coming from a free market economy. I'm tired of my government's bullshit. I'm tired of living in a top down centralized economy and constant unrelenting bullshit propaganda that seems to have no purpose other to promote bizarre niche concepts with people's tax money. I'm just sick of it. Nearly everybody is.

richwicks says

I'm just sick of it. Nearly everybody is.

Not everybody, just some conservatives. This is a position you never reasoned yourself into, which is why your arguments keep coming down to your emotions, rather than rational reasons, or straight answers to simple questions, like:

*What does anyone LOSE by changing the label on Potato Head products?*

If there ACTUALLY WAS some kind of boot on conservative necks, you'd be more keen to drill down and identify it, and I'd be an ally helping to remove it. The problem I have here is there IS no boot, at least not the one you reflexively point to which is a hollow abstraction just like the War on Drugs and the War on Terror. From my perspective, you're mad that a boot is being removed from the neck of a class you consider "the other" and find a convenient abstract scapegoat that relieves you of the responsibility of actually seeking out and confronting your true oppressors.

Automan Empire says

I think this topic-hopping game is a surrogate indicator that you can't even face your own POV internally without cognitive dissonance

You got that right.

Can you handle the cognitive dissonance of cancel culture?

Automan Empire says

What does any heterosexual, binary, cisgendered person lose from this change of packaging? That is the question I raised and predicted difficulty getting a straight answer to.

Because it's a lgbqtxyz topic.

Automan Empire says

Mr. Potato Head label is NOT a worthy topic of discussion and that even starting this thread was a waste of time over a non-issue?

Just another example of deviance being normalized.

Automan Empire says

From my perspective, you're mad that a boot is being removed from the neck of a class you consider "the other" and find a convenient abstract scapegoat that relieves you of the responsibility of actually seeking out and confronting your true oppressors.

From my perspective that boot is getting heavier.

They want us to argue over trivia like "gender"and politics, while not noticing that the latest war on "the invisible enemy" has united the governments around the world in oppression of their populations. The first amendment has been suspended for almost a year now.

We got problems and mr. Potato Head's sexuality is not one of them.

Automan Empire says

Not everybody, just some conservatives. This is a position you never reasoned yourself into, which is why your arguments keep coming down to your emotions, rather than rational reasons

Rationale like there are non binary genders?

There's intersex conditions, but they are incredibly rare. This is a biological condition.

Automan Empire says

If there ACTUALLY WAS some kind of boot on conservative necks

When have I ever mentioned that? When have I point pointed to "a boot on conservative necks"?

Again, I think you are trying to win an argument, not to engage in a discussion. This is yet another strawman.

I don't think you're honestly trying to understand what you perceive to be "the other side", you are simply trying to create an argument "to win".

If you want my honest opinion, my brutally honest opinion, I don't care if parents marshal their kid into sterility. They are just terminating their gene progression. It's nothing more than a form of eugenics to me, a soft form. I won't advocate for it, but I won't resist it either.

Want to push to sterilize your kids? Go ahead.

Automan Empire says

From my perspective, you're mad that a boot is being removed from the neck of a class you consider "the other"

I am simply indifferent to what YOU have called "the other".

When I'm at work, the only consideration I have is about the quality of work they produce, I don't care if they are a man, a woman, a transgender, a non-binary, a cross dresser, a catholic, a Scientologist, a furry - I don't care. Do your fucking job, that's it. I'm an adult.

Onvacation says

Can you handle the cognitive dissonance of cancel culture?

Are you for or against Cancel Culture? Because this thread is a right wing example of it, in case you missed this.

Automan Empire says

Are you for or against Cancel Culture?

Against. I am for free speech.

What about you? For or against the culture of cancel?

Automan Empire says

Because this thread is a right wing example of it, in case you missed this.

How so? Who's being canceled?

richwicks says

When have I ever mentioned that? When have I point pointed to "a boot on conservative necks"?

You're not the only person in this thread, and my position is not invalidated by not 100% matching the exact nuances of yours. One can't pretend that's not an element of every thread conservatives spawn over LGBT issues. Meanwhile you dodge the question:

What does anyone LOSE by changing the label on Potato Head? Only answer in the thread is this non sequitur:
Onvacation says

Because it's a lgbqtxyz topic.

Automan Empire says

richwicks says

When have I ever mentioned that? When have I point pointed to "a boot on conservative necks"?

You're not the only person in this thread, and my position is not invalidated by not 100% matching the exact nuances of yours. One can't pretend that's not an element of every thread conservatives spawn

Stop talking about conservatives. I've already pointed out that it's a distraction.

It's correct versus incorrect. Are there more than 2 sexes? Maybe at most 3 - male, female, and infertile.

This is just biology. For whatever reason, an animal that cannot physically reproduce, they are intersex. A eunuch you can very well consider intersex.

You are arguing about semantics, all I care about is biology. Semantics has no place in science. None at all, it's a creation of a changing language which is being deformed now.

Automan Empire says

What does anyone LOSE by changing the label on Potato Head?

We'll see if Playskool does. I don't care if a business makes an incorrect decision, but I do care if they are getting a taxpayer bailout to push an agenda.

In the last "covid" stimulus bill $1,200 was the maximum an individual could receive in "stimulus". Well, there's 330 million Americans, and if ALL of them received the maximum that would be 396 billion dollars. Our national debt went up by 5 trillion in the last "stimulus" - where did the other 4.5 trillion dollars go to? This information isn't accessible, and I don't think that if we were in a free market economic system, there would be pandering to less than 1% of the population.

My conclusion is this is an economic decision from Playskool, but not to appeal to the purchasing public, but to appeal to the people bailing them out.

Is this logically incoherent?

Onvacation says

How so? Who's being canceled?

Slow and stupid is no way to go through life, son. Nothing is being taken from conservatives, yet right here in this thread:

richwicks says

People get fed up with this, and simply boycott it. This is why NFL viewship has cratered, why films are becoming less profitable, why entire franchises are dying. What they are selling people don't want to buy.

Automan Empire says

Onvacation says

How so? Who's being canceled?

Slow and stupid is no way to go through life, son. Nothing is being taken from conservatives, yet right here in this thread

Assholes often go personal when they have no cogent answers. Thanks for playing.

Onvacation says

go personal when they have no cogent answers

That was me citing an example of what you're pretending not to see right here in this discussion thread. No need to flounce from the discussion when you're not a relevant participant in the first place.

richwicks says

You are arguing about semantics, all I care about is biology

You're incorrect, though I believe your claim here was made in good faith. I'm arguing against the real world discrimination against lgbt people that bullshit arguments like this Mr. Potato Head label change help stoke and perpetuate, citing "biology" only to the extent that it suits and supports their argument against people. I'm not saying you personally would actually harm a gay person in real life for being bothered by this Mr. Potato Head thing, but there are way too many people in the world who actually do, whose behavior thrives on stories like this.

I know actual gay people who are given real life abuse over stupid controversies like this. That's why I'm not letting up on the topic, and pushing back on people trying to walk away as if they don't actually care about the controversy they started/participated but can't actually defend, as if it were a matter of no consequence.

richwicks says

We'll see if Playskool does. I don't care if a business makes an incorrect decision

It's Hasbro. I'm not being pedantic here, people are talking about boycotting and incorrect decisions and the stupidity of liberal cancel culture and here you'd punish the wrong company for someone else's abstract sin.

richwicks says

In the last "covid" stimulus bill $1,200 was the maximum an individual could receive in "stimulus". Well, there's 330 million Americans

Aight, you're going into the weeds again, with a gunny sack of new topics that have nothing to do with the thread.

If we agree that cancel culture is stupid and bad for society, can we also agree that it's just as retarded when the right wing uses it on hot button controversies like this Potato Head drama, and end the thread in harmony?

Automan Empire says

richwicks says

We'll see if Playskool does. I don't care if a business makes an incorrect decision

It's Hasbro. I'm not being pedantic here, people are talking about boycotting and incorrect decisions and the stupidity of liberal cancel culture and here you'd punish the wrong company for someone else's abstract sin.

Playskool is a subsidiary of Hasbro:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playskool

Automan Empire says

richwicks says

In the last "covid" stimulus bill $1,200 was the maximum an individual could receive in "stimulus". Well, there's 330 million Americans

Aight, you're going into the weeds again

No, this is coming from government not business.

A bill has just been introduced in California to force retailers to have a "gender neutral" section.

Mrs. Potatohead, I need to ask you some questions about your husband’s disappearance, the police officer said, as she slipped the last French Fry in her mouth.

Mrs. Potatohead, I need to ask you some questions about your husband’s disappearance, the police officer said, as she slipped the last French Fry in her mouth.

Automan Empire says

I know actual gay people who are given real life abuse over stupid controversies like this. That's why I'm not letting up on the topic, and pushing back on people trying to walk away as if they don't actually care about the controversy they started/participated but can't actually defend, as if it were a matter of no consequence

So fucking what?! Cry them a river. This "abuse" argument is easily dismantled. Every day there have been and will be kids, teens and adults who get far more "abuse" than your avg homo/trannie who is mostly celebrated these days. They may have horse teeth, big braces, acne, a lisp or other speech impediment, autism, social awkwardness or they may just be ugly as fuck. The amount of "abuse" they take is staggering (esp. from kids) but that won't change as being an asshole at times is part of human nature, gay/transgender etc. or not. You can educate people against bullying, make them go to church and become better versions of themselves, but you can't change a single person by going against science and nature. In fact this gender neutral bullshit will harm more humans than any pedantic insistence on gender appropriate behavior- which is wrong too - ever has. Even worse are laws to force people into group think, that's just one step away from stalisism or any other leffoid power trip fantasy. I've worked with people of all genders and sexual orientations before it was cool and always treated people by their merit and stood up for the teased underdogs, but this nonsense will cause much more harm. At the end of the day you have to say 'fuck em I'm going to do it my way' to the haters, it has always been like that, it will make you a stronger and more successful person, a better friend and parent, businesses or power-tripping politicians pandering to you won't, they will morally corrupt you and make you a worse person.

Next stage of this nonsense is everybody is part of a protected group for some reason and going at each other's throats in perpetual victims Olympics, business will only sell one line item that constantly has to be updated to not offend anyone and any creativity or variety in life will have been stifled by the unholy Orwellian alliance between power tripping governments and the businesses at their teets. Then collapse, leftoidism has failed once again. Luckily there are plenty of not infected, unwoke counties to take over the reigns. It's not too late for the US yet ;)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9302995/Piers-Morgan-launches-furious-rant-Mr-Potato-Head-gender-neutral.html