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Rin says

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Hindoo is a Persian word , which means "Dirty dark color slave and other negative connotations", It is symbol of slavery.
Inspite of me telling Hindus to not use it, They insist to use it. There religion is "Sanatan Dharam", which probably allowed all protein to be eaten including cows.

Hmm ... it seems like India's always had some sort of 'rough' relationship with the Persian Empire, either from the Zoroastrian, Buddhist, or Islamic eras.

I believe indc and others of his clubhouse believe that India's civilization predates everything in ancient times and thus ... is a type of Lemuria (or Mu), the progenitor of the entire ancient world, aka The Lost Continent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemuria_%28continent%29

Now here's the problem, that South Asian "At...

You are stuck on the AIT/AIM stupidity. So your comments are always warped. People outside India/Bharat call us hindoos. Even Chinese call indian "Indoo".
These khalisthani "abrahamic sikhs" think they are oppressed lot. When in reality they are made of hindus. You should ask your tamil friend about the imaginary theory of lemuria. They think they are original dravidians from lemuria when there is no proof of that. But yes my belief is whole of india is homogenous. No differences between north and south genealogical unless you are a proselytizing basta**

indc says

But yes my belief is whole of india is homogenous

Hold on ... so why do my Assamese friends (all living abroad, since no one would even dream of moving back) think that until the British arrived, they were 100% independent of India? Yes, they were their own country despite having a border with Akbar's Moghul Empire and even before then, going back for numerous centuries; they were self-sufficient.

Afterwards, their originally successful independent kingdom adjacent to today's Bhutan and Myanmar with an "Indian" border abutting Bengal, became a pariah via state of martial law under Indira Gandhi.

So in effect, joining a free and independent India in 1947, resulted in destroying their own nation-state.

I suspect that some Sikhs probably feel the same way as them but w/o a contiguous piece of land.

indc says

They think they are original dravidians from lemuria when there is no proof of that.

There's no proof of the existence of either Lemuria or its Aryan counterpart, Atlantis. That's why they're legends.

Rin says

indc says

But yes my belief is whole of india is homogenous

Hold on ... so why do my Assamese friends (all living abroad, since no one would even dream of moving back) think that until the British arrived, they were 100% independent of India? Yes, they were their own country despite having a border with Akbar's Moghul Empire and even before then, going back for numerous centuries; they were self-sufficient.

Afterwards, their originally successful independent kingdom adjacent to today's Bhutan and Myanmar with an "Indian" border abutting Bengal, became a pariah via state of martial law under Indira Gandhi.

So in effect, joining a free and independent India in 1947, resulted in destroying their own nation-state.

I suspect that some Sikhs probably feel the same way as them but w/o a contiguous piece of land.

Ask them how they are different from indian or hindu culture. Genetically they can be different because they are at an intersection point of south-asian caucasoids and mongoloids.
Sikhs have no reason to feel that because they are neither genetically nor culturally any different from hindoos.They were not even a religion before 16th century. They are just like buddhists following a guru. But still most of their beliefs are hindu.

Rin says

indc says

They think they are original dravidians from lemuria when there is no proof of that.

There's no proof of the existence of either Lemuria or its Aryan counterpart, Atlantis. That's why they're legends.

What do you think Atlantis is in hindu culture?

Blue says

election2020 says

The unfortunate part is that pure capitalism doesn’t work for farms.

This is how commies trying to get control. Commies never believe in open free markets.
For example, few years ago potato farming allowed to access open free markets. Now it's a success story.
Now the government trying the same for the rest of the farming. No commie like it.

You really don't know what communism means.
Setting up govt oversight for essentials like medicine and food has nothing to do with communism.Its been done for long and helped us create better food security.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_subsidy

@indc is triggered.
He can run away from "Hindoo" as much as he wants, But to become free and provide good life for Bhartis(Not Indians) this word and associated philosophy of superstitions,discrimination,oppression and cowardice need to be ditched.
Sikhs freed themselves by creating Khalsa.

www.youtube.com/embed/eAwfYCY2e4o

indc says

What do you think Atlantis is in hindu culture?

It could mean just about anything because the antediluvian world, meaning the world before the so-called flood (recorded by just about every culture in the world either in scrolls or in carvings), was suppose to have geopolitical polarities just like modern times. And thus, you could call Atlantis, pre-ancient Britain/NATO, and Lemuria, pre-ancient India/Indonesia/Malaysia, two continental forces at odds with each other.

These are legends and thus, I have no reason but to doubt theories about a world which existed before Egypt's Pyramids of Cheops as little more than fantasies. So for me, until Sargon came up ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sargon_of_Akkad

I treat much of history before him, to be whimsical thinking. And since he was the ruler of Babylon, making him the first emperor of sorts and that he was an Akkadian Semite, he's most likely the archetype which inspired others after him, making Abu Bakr, the last Semite (FYI, Arabs are Semites whereas Persians are Aryans) invader who thought that by conquering Babylon, that he could rule the known world.

So even between early ancient and early medieval times, the saying ... "the more things changed, the more remains the same" applies.

election2020 says

@indc is triggered.
He can run away from "Hindoo" as much as he wants, But to become free and provide good life for Bhartis(Not Indians) this word and associated philosophy of superstitions,discrimination,oppression and cowardice need to be ditched.
Sikhs freed themselves by creating Khalsa.

www.youtube.com/embed/eAwfYCY2e4o

How is khalsa same as khalisthan. Like I said loosen your pagadi. Kahlsa was formed to fight against muslim oppressor in north west of India. And here is a fun fact even at the peak of sikh Kingdom they were still considered sub0ordinate to maratha kingdom. Sikhs paid tribute to Marathas.

https://www.sikhnet.com/news/when-sikhs-rescued-maratha-women
@indc is joke.

Rin says

indc says

What do you think Atlantis is in hindu culture?

It could mean just about anything because the antediluvian world, meaning the world before the so-called flood (recorded by just about every culture in the world either in scrolls or in carvings), was suppose to have geopolitical polarities just like modern times. And thus, you could call Atlantis, pre-ancient Britain/NATO, and Lemuria, pre-ancient India/Indonesia/Malaysia, two continental forces at odds with each other.
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Here comes the christian stupidity We have a mythical flood that submerged whole world and anything before it should be ignored. That is the reason you have to suck that AIT. And believe the proelythiser lies. There is no flood submerge BS in indian history. There are stories of cities near the coasts that are submerged but there is no stories of whole civilization being submerged.

election2020 says

https://www.sikhnet.com/news/when-sikhs-rescued-maratha-women
@indc is joke.

Like I said loosen that pagdi. Fighting to rescue them doesnt prove sikhs were not paying tributes to marathas. Idio*..

marathas not paying respect to Sikhs for saving their woman.
Must be typical Hindoooo back stabber.

indc says

Rin says

indc says

What do you think Atlantis is in hindu culture?

It could mean just about anything because the antediluvian world, meaning the world before the so-called flood (recorded by just about every culture in the world either in scrolls or in carvings), was suppose to have geopolitical polarities just like modern times. And thus, you could call Atlantis, pre-ancient Britain/NATO, and Lemuria, pre-ancient India/Indonesia/Malaysia, two continental forces at odds with each other.
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Here comes the christian stupidity We have a mythical flood that submerged whole world and anything before it should be ignored. That is the reason you have to suck that AIT. And believe the proelythiser lies. There is no flood submerge BS in indian history. There are stories of cities near the coasts that are submerged...

Nobody can compete with Hindoooooooo for mythical stories.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/when-rahu-swallows-the-sun-one-hindu-interpretation_b_599584e9e4b00dd984e37c92

election2020 says

marathas not paying respect to Sikhs for saving their woman.
Must be typical Hindoooo back stabber.

Your ramblings doesnt prove squat. Please dont bring this thread up again in your next discussion that I ran away from the discussion idio*

election2020 says

marathas not paying respect to Sikhs for saving their woman.
Must be typical Hindoooo back stabber.

www.youtube.com/embed/Y0HMEL1OTaU

Link in Hindi on how kingdoms work, not your stupid imagination.

indc says

election2020 says

marathas not paying respect to Sikhs for saving their woman.
Must be typical Hindoooo back stabber.

Your ramblings doesnt prove squat. Please dont bring this thread up again in your next discussion that I ran away from the discussion idio*

@indc You are a coward. You will run away again soon.
Your God can eat Sun but others can't have global flood.
Sikhs who didn't bend to Mughals and saved Hindooo woman will bend to maratha guys.
@indc is joke.

election2020 says

Nobody can compete with Hindoooooooo for mythical stories.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/when-rahu-swallows-the-sun-one-hindu-interpretation_b_599584e9e4b00dd984e37c92

Do we really need to go there? There's already an interesting tale in the literature.

In terms of the universal notion of a flood in ancient societies, here's one about a Shraddhadeva Manu ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shraddhadeva_Manu

Excerpt: "Shraddhadeva was the king of the Dravida Kingdom during the epoch of the Matsya Purana.[3] According to the Matsya Purana, Matsya, the avatar of Vishnu, first appeared as a shaphari (a small carp) to Shraddhadeva while he washed his hands in a river flowing down the Malaya Mountains.[4]

The little fish asked the king to save him, and out of compassion, he put it in a water jar. It kept growing bigger and bigger, until the king first put it in a bigger pitcher, and then deposited it in a well. When the well also proved insufficient for the ever-growing fish, the King placed it in a tank (reservoir), that was two yojanas (16 miles) in height above the surface and on land, as much in length, and a yojana (8 miles) in breadth. As it grew further, the king had to put the fish in a river, and when even the river proved insufficient, he placed it in the ocean, after which it nearly filled the vast expanse of the great ocean.

It was then that Vishnu, revealing himself, informed the king of an all-destructive deluge which would be coming very soon. The king built a huge boat which housed his family, saptarishi, nine types of seeds, and animals to repopulate the earth, after the deluge would end and the oceans and seas would recede. At the time of deluge, Vishnu appeared as a horned fish and Shesha appeared as a rope, with which the king fastened the boat to the horn of the fish.

The boat was perched after the deluge on the top of the Malaya Mountains.[7][8][11] After the deluge, Manu's family and the seven sages repopulated the earth. According to Purana, Manu's story occur before 28 chaturyuga in the present Manvantara which is the 7th Manvantara. This amounts to 120 million years ago."

I don't know about you but that sounds awfully familiar, as if Noah himself was channeling Manu.

election2020 says

indc says

election2020 says

marathas not paying respect to Sikhs for saving their woman.
Must be typical Hindoooo back stabber.

Your ramblings doesnt prove squat. Please dont bring this thread up again in your next discussion that I ran away from the discussion idio*

@indc You are a coward. You will run away again soon.
Your God can eat Sun but others can't have global flood.
Sikhs who didn't bend to Mughals and saved Hindooo woman will bend to maratha guys.
@indc is joke.

Again like I said you dumb abrahamic sikh. Rahu is not a God. he is a demon.

indc says

election2020 says

marathas not paying respect to Sikhs for saving their woman.
Must be typical Hindoooo back stabber.

www.youtube.com/embed/Y0HMEL1OTaU

Link in Hindi on how kingdoms work, not your stupid imagination.

@indc is joke and so are his references.

indc says

election2020 says

indc says

election2020 says

marathas not paying respect to Sikhs for saving their woman.
Must be typical Hindoooo back stabber.

Your ramblings doesnt prove squat. Please dont bring this thread up again in your next discussion that I ran away from the discussion idio*

@indc You are a coward. You will run away again soon.
Your God can eat Sun but others can't have global flood.
Sikhs who didn't bend to Mughals and saved Hindooo woman will bend to maratha guys.
@indc is joke.

Again like I said you dumb abrahamic sikh. Rahu is not a God. he is a demon.

So can he eat sun?
You are too triggered for your own good.

The best way to defend Hindooo is to reject it as it represents something not good for Bhartis. It is forced upon them to make them slaves.

Rin says

election2020 says

Nobody can compete with Hindoooooooo for mythical stories.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/when-rahu-swallows-the-sun-one-hindu-interpretation_b_599584e9e4b00dd984e37c92

Do we really need to go there? There's already an interesting tale in the literature.

In terms of the universal notion of a flood in ancient societies, here's one about a Shraddhadeva Manu ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shraddhadeva_Manu

Excerpt: "Shraddhadeva was the king of the Dravida Kingdom during the epoch of the Matsya Purana.[3] According to the Matsya Purana, Matsya, the avatar of Vishnu, first appeared as a shaphari (a small carp) t...

Good you got that link. do you know how old that story supposed to be? not 2500BC. It is supposed to have happened more than 40000 yrs ago. Not 5000yrs old.

indc says

It is supposed to have happened more than 40000 yrs ago. Not 5000yrs old.

Yes, this is what it means to go along the lines of the Atlantis/Lemuria/Mu (predating all ancient civilizations) voyeurism. It's a fantasy of a pre-existing world before the Pyramids of Cheops and the Empire of Sargon, an era which is not verifiable by anyone except through cultural mythologies, not restricted by any culture in the world including ones in the Americas before the Europeans.

Even Plato dated the alleged fall of Atlantis to some 9000 BC. There was no Greece back then so where did he get his notions or fantasies of this pre-ancient world? You see, it's a collection of myths which have circulated the globe throughout time.

election2020 says

indc says

election2020 says

marathas not paying respect to Sikhs for saving their woman.
Must be typical Hindoooo back stabber.

www.youtube.com/embed/Y0HMEL1OTaU

Link in Hindi on how kingdoms work, not your stupid imagination.

@indc is joke and so are his references.

Did you even see the video or you having oral diarrhea. Do you have counter point show it.

Rahu is a demon who eats sun. This represents solar eclipse. How is this mythology equals to blind belief?

Rin says

indc says

It is supposed to have happened more than 40000 yrs ago. Not 5000yrs old.

Yes, this is what it means to go along the lines of the Atlantis/Lemuria/Mu (predating all ancient civilizations) voyeurism. It's a fantasy of a pre-existing world before the Pyramids of Cheops and the Empire of Sargon, an era which is not verifiable by anyone except through cultural mythologies, not restricted by any culture in the world including ones in the Americas before the Europeans.

Even Plato dated the alleged fall of Atlantis to some 9000 BC. There was no Greece back then so where did he get his notions or fantasies of this pre-ancient world? You see, it's a collection of myths which have circulated the globe throughout time.

Again you are mixing 2 things atlantis and global deluge. What do you want to talk about? they are not the same. In hindu literature puranas are mostly stories. But we have ithihasas (history) Which mostly talk about actual records of history. Which are older than the 2500BC global deluge BS.

indc says

Which are older than the 2500BC global deluge BS.

No one knows the date of the flood.

The born again Christians, who've dated it, are simply trying to make Noah, a near-contemporary ancient figure, whereas it's clear that he's little more than a facsimile of the Manu story but lifted by middle easterners to fulfill their needs.

Heck, even the idea of the Holy Trinity can be linked back to ancient Egypt's big three of Osiris, Isis, and Horus, nevermind Atman, Brahma, & Vishnu of the Vedas.

indc says

election2020 says

indc says

election2020 says

marathas not paying respect to Sikhs for saving their woman.
Must be typical Hindoooo back stabber.

www.youtube.com/embed/Y0HMEL1OTaU

Link in Hindi on how kingdoms work, not your stupid imagination.

@indc is joke and so are his references.

Did you even see the video or you having oral diarrhea. Do you have counter point show it.

Rahu is a demon who eats sun. This represents solar eclipse. How is this mythology equals to blind belief?

I don't need to see it. I personally know the guy and is a bigger joke than you Mr @indc.

indc says

Again you are mixing 2 things atlantis and global deluge.

Actually, the notion is that the flood wiped away a civilization greater than the one which built the Pyramids. And thus, most references to a prior flood are associated though not vis-a-vis, to a greater civilization before it.

Who knows? ... Atlantis may have survived and destroyed itself with nuclear weapons' testings.

election2020 says

Setting up govt oversight for essentials like medicine and food has nothing to do with communism.Its been done for long and helped us create better food security.

"helped us" who? FAT brokers with "govt oversight" who draw last blood drop from poor farmers. The same FAT brokers with "govt oversight" forcing thousands of farmers commit suicides every year.
btw, No commie like to be called commie. You are one best example commie who do not like freedom for farmers.

Blue says

election2020 says

Setting up govt oversight for essentials like medicine and food has nothing to do with communism.Its been done for long and helped us create better food security.

"helped us" who? FAT brokers with "govt oversight" who draw last blood drop from poor farmers. The same FAT brokers with "govt oversight" forcing thousands of farmers commit suicides every year.
btw, No commie like to be called commie. You are one best example commie who do not like freedom for farmers.

You are very dumb Hindoooos. In the same thread I am Khalistani and communist.It is like saying "Trump Commies".
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/why-are-farmers-from-other-states-coming-to-punjab-to-sell-paddy-in-bulk-7053966/

Also don't use Hindoo logic, Read the main traits of communism. Hint: Farm subsidies and MSP is not communism.

Rin says

indc says

Again you are mixing 2 things atlantis and global deluge.

Actually, the notion is that the flood wipe away a civilization greater than the one which built the Pyramids. And thus, most references to a prior flood, is associated though not vis-a-vis to a greater civilization before it.

Ok lets do this logically. You tell me in what chronological order you believe events happened. Then I will give you inputs on what happened during that time in Indian history. We are not coming to any conclusion with your discussion.

election2020 says

In the same thread I am Khalistani and communist.It is like saying "Trump Commies".

Khalisthani-Communist is not Trump-commie. Its like cuban-communist. Duma**.

Farm subsidies and MSP are socialist ideologies. Socialism is off-shoot of communism. You take benefits of Capitalism but support socialism.

Now coming back to the video. How do you know those guys. And how can you provide counter point to what they said in the video if you dont see it.

indc says

Ok lets do this logically. You tell me in what chronological order you believe events happened. Then I will give you inputs on what happened during that time in Indian history. We are not coming to any conclusion with your discussion.

So here's the official start date of recorded history. 4000 BC (give or take) along the Nile River/Egypt and simultaneously, the mouth of the Tigris/Euphrates rivers, Sumer. Yes, I believe that other ppl lived during the time but these were to first two recorded nation-states, not tribal gatherings by a river basin.

Archaeologists have dated sites all around the globe, prior to 4000 BC, but weren't able to verify that they belonged to a nation-state vs a tribal gathering or trading spot.

So I'll place the start date to some 7000 BC with a lot of murkiness between then and 4000 BC.

And then, for a so-called Atlantis to have existed, it needed to be way before 7000 BC, with enough time to wash out the evidence of its existence via a flood, a volcanic eruption, meteorite, or nuclear holocaust (assuming that its tech was nearer to modern times).

Some researchers believe that the Sphinx in Egypt which showed signs of water damage vs sand erosion may have been built when water was in the region, some 10000 BC.

So there you have it, a drop off in all kinds of analysis once the time goes back that far in the prehistoric era.

Rin says

indc says

Ok lets do this logically. You tell me in what chronological order you believe events happened. Then I will give you inputs on what happened during that time in Indian history. We are not coming to any conclusion with your discussion.

So here's the official start date of recorded history. 4000 BC (give or take) along the Nile River/Egypt and simultaneously, the mouth of the Tigris/Euphrates rivers, Sumer. Yes, I believe that other ppl lived during the time but these were to first two recorded nation-states, not tribal gatherings by a river basin.

Archaeologists have dated sites all around the globe, prior to 4000 BC, but weren't able to verify that they belonged to a nation-state vs a tribal gathering or trading spot.

So I'll place the start date to some 7000 BC with a lot of murkiness between then and 4000 BC.

And then, for a so-called Atlantis to have existed,...

You brought a new term nation-state. I dont think that is a correct starting point for any historical civilization which grows organically. And I am curios how did you come to the belief that Egypt was a nation-state?

indc says

And I am curios how did you come to the belief that Egypt was a nation-state?

While Egypt was spread up and down a 1000+ mile long river basin, the centers of commerce and power grew around Memphis in the north and Thebes towards the south.

And thus, like in any area where there are growing patriarchs, etc, they'll periodically challenge each others' power for control over the main artery of the region, the Nile river, which connects the Mediterranean basin to the Sudan and Ethiopia.

And in latter dynasties, the Pharaohs reached out north, beyond the Nile basin into Mesopotamia.

And when do you think this happened? How do you know that they were fighting with each other?

indc says

election2020 says

In the same thread I am Khalistani and communist.It is like saying "Trump Commies".

Khalisthani-Communist is not Trump-commie. Its like cuban-communist. Duma**.

Farm subsidies and MSP are socialist ideologies. Socialism is off-shoot of communism. You take benefits of Capitalism but support socialism.

Now coming back to the video. How do you know those guys. And how can you provide counter point to what they said in the video if you dont see it.

Communists and Khalistanis are at war for long time.
Protecting farm income/MSP is not communism. Again don't use Hindoooo logic, Read...
Hint:Farms or other means of production are owned by government in communism.

election2020 says

Communists and Khalistanis are at war for long time.
Protecting farm income/MSP is not communism. Again don't use Hindoooo logic, Read...
Hint:Farms or other means of production are owned by government in communism..

Do you think Christians and Muslims and Communists fight with each other?
How do they treat each other in India? Just because you have bad history doesnt mean your paths dont meet now. But I clarified what Blue meant. I think he equated these protests to Socialism. And there is no way you can say MSP is not socialism.

And please loosen your pagdi to let knowledge in.

indc says

election2020 says

Communists and Khalistanis are at war for long time.
Protecting farm income/MSP is not communism. Again don't use Hindoooo logic, Read...
Hint:Farms or other means of production are owned by government in communism..

Do you think Christians and Muslims and Communists fight with each other?
How do they treat each other in India? Just because you have bad history doesnt mean your paths dont meet now. But I clarified what Blue meant. I think he equated these protests to Socialism. And there is no way you can say MSP is not socialism.

And please loosen your pagdi to let knowledge in.

Capitalism = communism. Godless = faithful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_subsidy
US = communist country.

Now this is full blown Hindoo logic.

indc says

And when do you think this happened?

If we're still on the topic of ancient Egypt, the upper half and the lower half the Nile region developed semi-independently (or not, if military engagements were happening) until unification around 3100 BC by a Narmer (Menes) figure

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narmer