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richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 5:12pm
richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 5:12pm
jazz_music says
You often don't quote people so it's difficult to ascertain to whom you are responding to.
I just followed the thread up clicking the "soinso says" part, and ended up with your post - it wasn't even clear to me you were responding to somebody. I thought you were just randomly ranting.
@Patrick - maybe (just as a suggestion), a "reply to" button that is like quote - but it just references who you are replying to, would be nice. I'm sure you have enough work to do though. Let me know if you want a development box. If you're not using any commercial packages, I should be able to give you a near complete system.
Patrick saysThat's divisive. It really is. And personal too.Oh?
That comment was to the commenter above that starts right in with “TDS” since the accuser is actually the afflicted.
You wouldn’t overlook that would you?
You often don't quote people so it's difficult to ascertain to whom you are responding to.
I just followed the thread up clicking the "soinso says" part, and ended up with your post - it wasn't even clear to me you were responding to somebody. I thought you were just randomly ranting.
@Patrick - maybe (just as a suggestion), a "reply to" button that is like quote - but it just references who you are replying to, would be nice. I'm sure you have enough work to do though. Let me know if you want a development box. If you're not using any commercial packages, I should be able to give you a near complete system.
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:18pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:18pm
richwicks says
I'm on nginx and node on a Digital Ocean virtual server.
I develop locally on my laptop on node, and just rsync. It works pretty well.
I'm grateful for the offer, but doing ok with laptop to server development. The source code is at https://github.com/killelea/node.patrick.net It's not all that well done and you might run into problems trying to set it up.
Patrick saysWineHorror1 saysWhat's with all the "false" add-ons at the end of everyone's comment?
Damn, that's was a bug I just introduced. Should be gone now. Thanks for telling me.
Patrick - Are you developing on Apache? I can setup a virtual machine for you to develop on, and mirror your site. I have a GB internet speed.
But I would have access to your code - and you probably don't want that.
If it is Apache, I can setup a raspberry pi 4 for you, clone the enabled mods, and just send you an SD card or even the box. It's only $100. Then you have a local place to develop. You can even duplicate the site. 256GB of space should be enough.
I'm on nginx and node on a Digital Ocean virtual server.
I develop locally on my laptop on node, and just rsync. It works pretty well.
I'm grateful for the offer, but doing ok with laptop to server development. The source code is at https://github.com/killelea/node.patrick.net It's not all that well done and you might run into problems trying to set it up.
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richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 5:22pm
richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 5:22pm
Patrick says
You sure you want to leave it open for, well, theft?
Remember, that's how Fuckerberg made his money, stealing code.
The source code is at
You sure you want to leave it open for, well, theft?
Remember, that's how Fuckerberg made his money, stealing code.
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marcus
2020 Jun 2, 5:22pm
marcus
2020 Jun 2, 5:22pm
Patrick says
I don't like that. Patrick, Patrck, Patrick. I don't know why I even try to give the awesome suggestions I do.
Your doing that divisive feature becasue you're upset about "Trump Cultist" supposedly being divisive. Not realizing that Trump being President was the most politically divisive thing I've seen in my life. Using the term "Trump cult" is more than anything commenting on how divisive Trump is, something you knowingly chose to support.
It's a mistake. Divisive is in the eyes of the beholder.
Can I flag any comment where you advocate massive deportation of millions of illegal immigrants as divisive ?
What if someone is for strong strong gun control. Isn't that divisive ?
- There is a new kind of flag called "divisive"
I don't like that. Patrick, Patrck, Patrick. I don't know why I even try to give the awesome suggestions I do.
Your doing that divisive feature becasue you're upset about "Trump Cultist" supposedly being divisive. Not realizing that Trump being President was the most politically divisive thing I've seen in my life. Using the term "Trump cult" is more than anything commenting on how divisive Trump is, something you knowingly chose to support.
It's a mistake. Divisive is in the eyes of the beholder.
Can I flag any comment where you advocate massive deportation of millions of illegal immigrants as divisive ?
What if someone is for strong strong gun control. Isn't that divisive ?
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rdm
2020 Jun 2, 5:24pm
Patrick says
So I suppose a certain thread that has been around for months, titled only the left is violent is not divisive? Seems to me that the whole idea of the change is to allow the moderators more power to censor the left leaning/anti Trumpists all in the name of civility. Because aren't all the moderators right leaning? My guess is this site which is already 80% right will become the right wing echo chamber that is reflected on multiple threads. But it will be civil and un-divisive because everyone on the right generally agrees with each other as to the main issues. And those on the left will follow those that have already departed. Oh yes there will be a bit of pecking around the edges but mostly mutual oral genital stimulation will prevail. Kumbaya. But prove me wrong.
How does following a cult make you qualified...
That's divisive. It really is
So I suppose a certain thread that has been around for months, titled only the left is violent is not divisive? Seems to me that the whole idea of the change is to allow the moderators more power to censor the left leaning/anti Trumpists all in the name of civility. Because aren't all the moderators right leaning? My guess is this site which is already 80% right will become the right wing echo chamber that is reflected on multiple threads. But it will be civil and un-divisive because everyone on the right generally agrees with each other as to the main issues. And those on the left will follow those that have already departed. Oh yes there will be a bit of pecking around the edges but mostly mutual oral genital stimulation will prevail. Kumbaya. But prove me wrong.
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GNL
2020 Jun 2, 5:25pm
GNL
2020 Jun 2, 5:25pm
Patrick says
I pray you are correct.
richwicks saysBTW - we lost 4th amendment rights with the Patriot Act. That's gone.
We should fight to get it back. The game is never over! They will keep taking away rights until people resist one way or another.
And as soon as we slack off, they will start taking away rights again.
The current situation is terrible, but it's not hopeless.
I pray you are correct.
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marcus
2020 Jun 2, 5:26pm
marcus
2020 Jun 2, 5:26pm
Patrick says
He had the idea too. Cool.
Still going to work on jazz's idea of extracting links from posts.
He had the idea too. Cool.
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GNL
2020 Jun 2, 5:29pm
GNL
2020 Jun 2, 5:29pm
marcus says
This is why I suggested any anti Constitution or anti Bill of Rights talk should be banned. This is America, how can pro guns be divisive? How can deporting illegal criminals be divisive? Come on man.
Patrick says- There is a new kind of flag called "divisive"
I don't like that. Patrick, Patrck, Patrick. I don't know why I even try to give the awesome suggestions I do.
Your doing that divisive feature becasue your upset about Trump Cultist supposedly being divisive.
Divisive is in the eyes of the beholder.
Can I flag any comment where you advocate massive deportation of millions of illegal immigrants as divisive ?
What if someone is for strong strong gun control. Isn't that divisive ?
This is why I suggested any anti Constitution or anti Bill of Rights talk should be banned. This is America, how can pro guns be divisive? How can deporting illegal criminals be divisive? Come on man.
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Onvacation
2020 Jun 2, 5:35pm
Onvacation
2020 Jun 2, 5:35pm
Patrick says
What if I'm the only one who knows I am mocking them?
Onvacation saysDoes this mean I cannot mock anyone for spelling and factual errors?
Right, don't mock them. There's no point other than to be cruel.
It's OK to correct them, in fact it's a good deed if you're nice enough about it.
What if I'm the only one who knows I am mocking them?
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:37pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:37pm
richwicks says
You're right. Deleted.
Patrick saysThe source code is at
You sure you want to leave it open for, well, theft?
Remember, that's how Fuckerberg made his money, stealing code.
You're right. Deleted.
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:40pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:40pm
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says
@APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch we all love you, we really do, but you get the idea.
Let's work together against our owners instead of being divided against each other.
I know you don't like Trump and that's fine. But it would be nice to talk about concrete reasons and things we can do to improve our situation.
But you told me I was OBLIGATED! TO! OFFEND!
I took lessons and everything!
@APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch we all love you, we really do, but you get the idea.
Let's work together against our owners instead of being divided against each other.
I know you don't like Trump and that's fine. But it would be nice to talk about concrete reasons and things we can do to improve our situation.
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2020 Jun 2, 5:41pm
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2020 Jun 2, 5:41pm
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says
But you told me I was OBLIGATED! TO! OFFEND!
I took lessons and everything!
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richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 5:41pm
richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 5:41pm
Patrick says
You can just make it private!
You don't want to lose your history.
Shit, I should have copied it. If you're willing, I'll take a copy to develop it. I have a couple of good ideas that are patentable, but not really suitable for this site. If you're willing to allow me have a copy I'll partner with anything I produce.
richwicks saysPatrick saysThe source code is at
You sure you want to leave it open for, well, theft?
Remember, that's how Fuckerberg made his money, stealing code.
You're right. Deleted.
You can just make it private!
You don't want to lose your history.
Shit, I should have copied it. If you're willing, I'll take a copy to develop it. I have a couple of good ideas that are patentable, but not really suitable for this site. If you're willing to allow me have a copy I'll partner with anything I produce.
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:45pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:45pm
marcus says
Well, we disagree there too. Maybe some divisive examples will help:
- All Trumpists are retarded and I hate them!
- Only the left is violent (that's me, and I regret it in some ways, but still believe it's pretty much true, especially after these riots)
- Trump sucks donkey dick!
Not divisive:
- Why does anyone support Trump? I don't understand it.
- The majority of political violence seems to emanate from the left lately.
- I don't think Trump is a good president because he is protecting Saudia Arabia, the source of the 9/11 attack.
A modicum of sympathy for the commenter goes a long way too.
We really are all on the same team, team proletariat, but don't see it clearly. Well, maybe someone on here has direct influence over lawmakers via lobbying cash, but it doesn't seem likely.
It's a mistake. Divisive is in the eyes of the beholder.
Well, we disagree there too. Maybe some divisive examples will help:
- All Trumpists are retarded and I hate them!
- Only the left is violent (that's me, and I regret it in some ways, but still believe it's pretty much true, especially after these riots)
- Trump sucks donkey dick!
Not divisive:
- Why does anyone support Trump? I don't understand it.
- The majority of political violence seems to emanate from the left lately.
- I don't think Trump is a good president because he is protecting Saudia Arabia, the source of the 9/11 attack.
A modicum of sympathy for the commenter goes a long way too.
We really are all on the same team, team proletariat, but don't see it clearly. Well, maybe someone on here has direct influence over lawmakers via lobbying cash, but it doesn't seem likely.
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richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 5:47pm
richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 5:47pm
rdm says
What are the issues?
When I attempt to engage with somebody on "the left", they seem so steer well clear of what I consider issues. Here's a couple of issues I am concerned with.
1) War - what is our missing in Afghanistan? How about Syria? Yemen? WTF are we are war?
2) misinformation or propaganda in the "mainstream news".
3) corruption in our intelligence agencies. I have seen multiple intelligence officials lie to Congress and not be prosecuted for perjury.
4) corruption in the Department of Justice. Flynn was railroaded, why is nobody held accountable?
5) corruption in the Department of Justice. They refused to prosecute Clinton although they had her dead to rights on placing classified information on an unsecured server. If I had done that, I'd probably just be getting out of jail now.
6) censorship promoted by the government. The internet was specifically created to end censorship, it's been ramped up.
What are your priorities? What do you consider important issues?
My guess is this site which is already 80% right will become the right wing echo chamber that is reflected on multiple threads. But it will be civil and un-divisive because everyone on the right generally agrees with each other as to the main issues
What are the issues?
When I attempt to engage with somebody on "the left", they seem so steer well clear of what I consider issues. Here's a couple of issues I am concerned with.
1) War - what is our missing in Afghanistan? How about Syria? Yemen? WTF are we are war?
2) misinformation or propaganda in the "mainstream news".
3) corruption in our intelligence agencies. I have seen multiple intelligence officials lie to Congress and not be prosecuted for perjury.
4) corruption in the Department of Justice. Flynn was railroaded, why is nobody held accountable?
5) corruption in the Department of Justice. They refused to prosecute Clinton although they had her dead to rights on placing classified information on an unsecured server. If I had done that, I'd probably just be getting out of jail now.
6) censorship promoted by the government. The internet was specifically created to end censorship, it's been ramped up.
What are your priorities? What do you consider important issues?
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:50pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:50pm
richwicks says
I have the history since it's a git repo. It's all there.
I'll send you a copy if you send me your email, but I don't want to get legally entangled. Limits my options, might be used to shut down the site, and a friend warned me about unwittingly accumulating "business partners". That was actually the basis of the Winklevosses suit against Zuckerberg iirc.
That is, I don't mind it being open source, but I want to keep the copyright.
You can just make it private!
You don't want to lose your history.
Shit, I should have copied it. If you're willing, I'll take a copy to develop it. I have a couple of good ideas that are patentable, but not really suitable for this site. If you're willing to allow me have a copy I'll partner with anything I produce.
I have the history since it's a git repo. It's all there.
I'll send you a copy if you send me your email, but I don't want to get legally entangled. Limits my options, might be used to shut down the site, and a friend warned me about unwittingly accumulating "business partners". That was actually the basis of the Winklevosses suit against Zuckerberg iirc.
That is, I don't mind it being open source, but I want to keep the copyright.
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:52pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:52pm
marcus says
Oops, might have been you.
Patrick saysStill going to work on jazz's idea of extracting links from posts.
He had the idea too. Cool.
Oops, might have been you.
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Onvacation
2020 Jun 2, 5:53pm
Onvacation
2020 Jun 2, 5:53pm
Some people won't be corrected. You can point out the flaws in their reason and they will react emotionally. Instead of debate they attack you personally. They can look at the same numbers but reach different sums.
Patnet's come a long way in the near decade I have been lurking. I have learned a lot about topics I never would have heard about. I've also jumped down rabbit holes that, while plausible, seem impossible.
This place causes cognitive dissonance. It then becomes a free for all of ideas and "evidence". I've watched heads explode.
Don't change too much.
Patnet's come a long way in the near decade I have been lurking. I have learned a lot about topics I never would have heard about. I've also jumped down rabbit holes that, while plausible, seem impossible.
This place causes cognitive dissonance. It then becomes a free for all of ideas and "evidence". I've watched heads explode.
Don't change too much.
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:54pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 5:54pm
Thank you. I hope to keep it essentially the same, just less acrimony.
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WookieMan
2020 Jun 2, 6:03pm
WookieMan
2020 Jun 2, 6:03pm
jazz_music says
What does this even mean? Honest question....
This is a totally real problem and I guess that’s why it was so important to create it that money was no object.
What does this even mean? Honest question....
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 6:03pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 6:03pm
richwicks says
The "quote" thing is kind of buggy, so if you select text in one comment and click quote in another, it puts the wrong reference. Need to fix that. But you gave me a new idea: clicking quote without selecting any text should just say "In reply to: " and the link to that comment.
I just followed the thread up clicking the "soinso says" part, and ended up with your post - it wasn't even clear to me you were responding to somebody.
The "quote" thing is kind of buggy, so if you select text in one comment and click quote in another, it puts the wrong reference. Need to fix that. But you gave me a new idea: clicking quote without selecting any text should just say "In reply to: " and the link to that comment.
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 6:06pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 6:06pm
jazz_music says
You're right, that's divisive too.
We're just taking baby steps here so far.
That comment was to the commenter above that starts right in with “TDS” since the accuser is actually the afflicted.
You're right, that's divisive too.
We're just taking baby steps here so far.
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 6:07pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 6:07pm
FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
That one's hard to fix. There is no input filter really.
one should be able to simply link and quote an editorial or editorialized(IE Washington post) article and not themselves explain why it’s relevant
That one's hard to fix. There is no input filter really.
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WookieMan
2020 Jun 2, 6:12pm
WookieMan
2020 Jun 2, 6:12pm
jazz_music says
I'm probably an idiot. No.
I feel like you're trying to be a wordsmith/intellectual instead of just getting to a statement or fact. There's nothing in your comment that makes sense. An opinion, not a knock. Your writing just doesn't and hasn't made sense since I've been here. You're like the English professor trying to justify a bull shit degree. You're trying to write eloquently instead of just getting to the point. My observation, mark it personal. I give zero shits.
WookieMan saysWhat does this even mean? Honest question....Does the part I just added offer any help?
I'm probably an idiot. No.
I feel like you're trying to be a wordsmith/intellectual instead of just getting to a statement or fact. There's nothing in your comment that makes sense. An opinion, not a knock. Your writing just doesn't and hasn't made sense since I've been here. You're like the English professor trying to justify a bull shit degree. You're trying to write eloquently instead of just getting to the point. My observation, mark it personal. I give zero shits.
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richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 6:31pm
richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 6:31pm
Patrick says
When I was a young man an older man had a discussion with me and told me essentially "eliminate your cognitive dissonance - when you encounter it, you have at least one belief that is incorrect - make a point to find out which belief you have that is incorrect, and eliminate it."
20 years later, I barely experience it anymore.
I run into people I disagree with certainly still, but I rarely get into arguments.
I would add two other ideas as well to the advice I was given:
1) don't assume the person is "dumb" or "stupid" - assume they either don't know something you know, or they know something you don't know.
2) don't assume they are being dishonest and arguing something they don't believe to be true.
I'm grateful to that guy. He was one of my mentors when I was an engineer.
This place causes cognitive dissonance. It then becomes a free for all of ideas and "evidence". I've watched heads explode.
When I was a young man an older man had a discussion with me and told me essentially "eliminate your cognitive dissonance - when you encounter it, you have at least one belief that is incorrect - make a point to find out which belief you have that is incorrect, and eliminate it."
20 years later, I barely experience it anymore.
I run into people I disagree with certainly still, but I rarely get into arguments.
I would add two other ideas as well to the advice I was given:
1) don't assume the person is "dumb" or "stupid" - assume they either don't know something you know, or they know something you don't know.
2) don't assume they are being dishonest and arguing something they don't believe to be true.
I'm grateful to that guy. He was one of my mentors when I was an engineer.
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richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 6:41pm
richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 6:41pm
Patrick says
I'll sign an NDA if you like. I don't mind signing one. I want to develop some ideas, and I want to keep those ideas, but I don't want to develop code from scratch, and I'd be happy to share the ideas once I do proof of concept. I intend to patent a few but I'll share the rights to you, if any can be patented. If they can't, of course, they are just yours.
You should create a copyright header in the source. Email isn't secure unless you encrypt it. If you're working with Linux, zip uses AES256.
I think I have a way to eliminate propaganda and spam. That's my idea I want to develop - and I think the method will work to truly make propaganda and spam impossible. My cousin is a patent attorney (a good one) but he won't waste time helping somebody draw up a patent without proof of concept and some sort of business plan, and a portion of the take on profits.
I understand that, I'm an sw engineer. I won't spend 10 minutes on somebody's "great idea". Somehow they think my time is worthless and it doesn't take more than a minute to do whatever "great idea" they have.
I'll send you a copy if you send me your email, but I don't want to get legally entangled. Limits my options, might be used to shut down the site, and a friend warned me about unwittingly accumulating "business partners". That was actually the basis of the Winklevosses suit against Zuckerberg iirc.
That is, I don't mind it being open source, but I want to keep the copyright.
I'll sign an NDA if you like. I don't mind signing one. I want to develop some ideas, and I want to keep those ideas, but I don't want to develop code from scratch, and I'd be happy to share the ideas once I do proof of concept. I intend to patent a few but I'll share the rights to you, if any can be patented. If they can't, of course, they are just yours.
You should create a copyright header in the source. Email isn't secure unless you encrypt it. If you're working with Linux, zip uses AES256.
I think I have a way to eliminate propaganda and spam. That's my idea I want to develop - and I think the method will work to truly make propaganda and spam impossible. My cousin is a patent attorney (a good one) but he won't waste time helping somebody draw up a patent without proof of concept and some sort of business plan, and a portion of the take on profits.
I understand that, I'm an sw engineer. I won't spend 10 minutes on somebody's "great idea". Somehow they think my time is worthless and it doesn't take more than a minute to do whatever "great idea" they have.
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 6:42pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 6:42pm
jazz_music says
Agreed. It's hard to see what isn't there, but it's the most important thing.
Every newspaper has a business section. No newspaper has a labor section.
you can gleen a wealth of knowledge by considering what subjects are NOT presented
Agreed. It's hard to see what isn't there, but it's the most important thing.
Every newspaper has a business section. No newspaper has a labor section.
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AD
2020 Jun 2, 6:44pm
AD
2020 Jun 2, 6:44pm
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jazz_music says
They called in the National Guard cause LAPD refused to protect neighbors like Koreantown.
In fact, the reason for Korean Americans on rooftops during the LA Riots of 1992 was because LAPD pulled out and only were protecting white liberal neighborhoods like West Hollywood, Bel Air, and Beverly Hills.
I wonder if liberals and left wing militants, wanted to see the rioters destroy Koreantown especially because they did not want to see the Korean Americans on rooftops exercising their 2nd Amendment rights.
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jazz_music says
1992 Los Angeles riots- The CA National Guard is used to quell riots in the aftermath of the acquittal of four LAPD officers accused of beating Rodney King
They called in the National Guard cause LAPD refused to protect neighbors like Koreantown.
In fact, the reason for Korean Americans on rooftops during the LA Riots of 1992 was because LAPD pulled out and only were protecting white liberal neighborhoods like West Hollywood, Bel Air, and Beverly Hills.
I wonder if liberals and left wing militants, wanted to see the rioters destroy Koreantown especially because they did not want to see the Korean Americans on rooftops exercising their 2nd Amendment rights.
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WookieMan
2020 Jun 2, 6:47pm
WookieMan
2020 Jun 2, 6:47pm
jazz_music says
I'm lost. I've tried with you. I don't know if English isn't your first language or what. You don't make sense 9 out of 10 times. That's not a personal dig, just an admission that I don't understand what the hell you're saying most the time. Your sentence structure and thoughts read like 3+3 equaling 45.3.
Could it be that wookie doesn’t agree that a no-limit investment has been made to create 2 different sets of basic facts in our country?
I'm lost. I've tried with you. I don't know if English isn't your first language or what. You don't make sense 9 out of 10 times. That's not a personal dig, just an admission that I don't understand what the hell you're saying most the time. Your sentence structure and thoughts read like 3+3 equaling 45.3.
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richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 7:03pm
richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 7:03pm
jazz_music says
He wouldn't waste his time on this. He didn't care about politics much I don't think, he cared about engineering.
People who troll, there's something wrong with them I think. They waste their time, they waste somebody else's time, nothing is to be gained. It's said children act out to get attention. I wonder if they are so unable to communicate that they create controversy because they are unable to connect with an actual human being and any level of attention is better than none at all, even if it's entirely negative.
Of course, I've run into professional trolls. Their job is to disrupt a conversation so that consensus can't be made that they are paid to prevent.
I'm grateful to that guy. He was one of my mentors when I was an engineer.And he never got trolled
He wouldn't waste his time on this. He didn't care about politics much I don't think, he cared about engineering.
People who troll, there's something wrong with them I think. They waste their time, they waste somebody else's time, nothing is to be gained. It's said children act out to get attention. I wonder if they are so unable to communicate that they create controversy because they are unable to connect with an actual human being and any level of attention is better than none at all, even if it's entirely negative.
Of course, I've run into professional trolls. Their job is to disrupt a conversation so that consensus can't be made that they are paid to prevent.
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WookieMan
2020 Jun 2, 7:06pm
WookieMan
2020 Jun 2, 7:06pm
jazz_music says
Phones are the worst. I get the convenience, but everything gets lost in trying to be expedient with language. Half the fights with my wife are from texts that are quick and/or voice to text. It's like "what the hell is your problem" when she texts me. When in reality no one is upset. I'm desktop 98% of the time. Phone and iPads can go to hell. Although I get shit on for typing novels.
I avoid stilted language, I dislike that too. Maybe I end up being terse when using the iPhone. That does influence me different from the computer.
Phones are the worst. I get the convenience, but everything gets lost in trying to be expedient with language. Half the fights with my wife are from texts that are quick and/or voice to text. It's like "what the hell is your problem" when she texts me. When in reality no one is upset. I'm desktop 98% of the time. Phone and iPads can go to hell. Although I get shit on for typing novels.
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richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 7:15pm
richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 7:15pm
jazz_music says
Conspiracies happen of course.
Operation Ajax is a conspiracy that was a "conspiracy theory" when I was in my 20's - FOIA exposed it in the late 1990s
Operation PBSuccess - the same
Project MKUltra.
Operation Gladio.
The Gulf of Tonkin Incident.
"Weapons of mass destruction" was a known lie, coordinated with multiple people - including our press.
"Qaddafi is about to cause a humanitarian crisis" was a known lie, coordinated with multiple people - including our press.
"Assad is gassing his own people" was a known lie, coordinated with multiple people - including our press.
So - wow. You don't realize that conspiracies do happen!
That's pretty ironic because if there was "Russian collusion" that would be a conspiracy between Trump, members of his administration, and members of the Russian government.
However - if there was no evidence at all for "Russian Collusion" - that would also be a conspiracy between our press and our intelligence agencies to lie to the public.
It must be quite a burden to have your set of beliefs, based on the one.
All true, but the next level was taken by the right wing which is to constantly elevate conspiracies and other lies.\
Conspiracies happen of course.
Operation Ajax is a conspiracy that was a "conspiracy theory" when I was in my 20's - FOIA exposed it in the late 1990s
Operation PBSuccess - the same
Project MKUltra.
Operation Gladio.
The Gulf of Tonkin Incident.
"Weapons of mass destruction" was a known lie, coordinated with multiple people - including our press.
"Qaddafi is about to cause a humanitarian crisis" was a known lie, coordinated with multiple people - including our press.
"Assad is gassing his own people" was a known lie, coordinated with multiple people - including our press.
So - wow. You don't realize that conspiracies do happen!
That's pretty ironic because if there was "Russian collusion" that would be a conspiracy between Trump, members of his administration, and members of the Russian government.
However - if there was no evidence at all for "Russian Collusion" - that would also be a conspiracy between our press and our intelligence agencies to lie to the public.
It must be quite a burden to have your set of beliefs, based on the one.
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richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 7:18pm
richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 7:18pm
jazz_music says
Normally trolls I run into argue something they are paid to "believe" in. If it becomes just a set if personal insults, I ignore the insults entirely, and go back to the subject.
You can end up arguing all day whether shit is brown. They consistently claim that you are talking nonsense and comment on people like you, your mother, your age, size, employment, sex life, IQ, ad infinitum.
Normally trolls I run into argue something they are paid to "believe" in. If it becomes just a set if personal insults, I ignore the insults entirely, and go back to the subject.
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richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 7:32pm
richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 7:32pm
jazz_music says
I just showed you a conspiracy that must have happened one way or another - within our government. Either Trump and his administration conspired with the Russian government, OR the intelligence agencies and the press conspired against Trump.
Regardless of which one it is, there was a conspiracy but you still contend conspiracies don't exist.
Just because I said "don't assume they [the person you are talking with] are being dishonest and arguing something they don't believe to be true" - doesn't mean you can't definitely determine they are arguing something they don't believe to be true.
I will bookmark this conversation to demonstrate to others.
https://patrick.net/post/1332643&offset=#comment-1675722
Need that in there...
richwicks saysSo - wow. You don't realize that conspiracies do happen!I think that consuming conspiracy theories every day is like picking your nose and eating it.
Go ahead.
I just showed you a conspiracy that must have happened one way or another - within our government. Either Trump and his administration conspired with the Russian government, OR the intelligence agencies and the press conspired against Trump.
Regardless of which one it is, there was a conspiracy but you still contend conspiracies don't exist.
Just because I said "don't assume they [the person you are talking with] are being dishonest and arguing something they don't believe to be true" - doesn't mean you can't definitely determine they are arguing something they don't believe to be true.
I will bookmark this conversation to demonstrate to others.
https://patrick.net/post/1332643&offset=#comment-1675722
Need that in there...
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richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 7:43pm
richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 7:43pm
jazz_music says
Here, let me simplify this. Do you believe in conspiracies within the government, what some people would deride as "conspiracy theories"?
Yes or no?
richwicks saysyou still contend conspiracies don't exist.Dude, really?
Go ahead. It takes no effort and makes you feel harder, feel smarter and “in the know”
Here, let me simplify this. Do you believe in conspiracies within the government, what some people would deride as "conspiracy theories"?
Yes or no?
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Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 8:00pm
Patrick
2020 Jun 2, 8:00pm
I believe in "naturally occurring" conspiracies, in which a group of businessmen decide it's in their interest to secretly manipulate the market or the public or the laws.
The creation of the Federal Reserve in secret in 1913 on Jekyll Island should give everyone the willies.
There is the phrase "All professions are conspiracies against the laity."
The creation of the Federal Reserve in secret in 1913 on Jekyll Island should give everyone the willies.
There is the phrase "All professions are conspiracies against the laity."
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richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 8:22pm
richwicks
2020 Jun 2, 8:22pm
Patrick says
So the Reichstag fire wasn't burned down by the Nazis to blame their enemy, the Communists?
The Gulf of Tonkin Incident DID happen?
On a lighter note:
www.youtube.com/embed/yuC_4mGTs98
I believe in "naturally occurring" conspiracies, in which a group of businessmen decide it's in their interest to secretly manipulate the market or the public or the laws.
So the Reichstag fire wasn't burned down by the Nazis to blame their enemy, the Communists?
The Gulf of Tonkin Incident DID happen?
On a lighter note:
www.youtube.com/embed/yuC_4mGTs98
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GreaterNYCDude
2020 Jun 2, 8:32pm
This place has come a long way from the days when all we argued about were housing prices and when to buy... some good (more issues takenn on, both sides of a given argument represented, interesting investment advice, etc.) Some not so good. (Trolls, name-calling, insane banter, etc.)
On the whole I think this place has a diverse, educated and well rounded group of free thinkers...
Thats one of the things that keeps me coming back...
That and some of the humor threads. I don't care if a meme attacks the left or the right... funny is funny and sometimes you just half to laugh at yourself...
Patrick keep doing what your doing man... all the best to you and yours.
On the whole I think this place has a diverse, educated and well rounded group of free thinkers...
Thats one of the things that keeps me coming back...
That and some of the humor threads. I don't care if a meme attacks the left or the right... funny is funny and sometimes you just half to laugh at yourself...
Patrick keep doing what your doing man... all the best to you and yours.
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So no more pictures of Trump as an insane clown or talk of his being raped by Putin. That does not address his policies specifically and helps nothing. It just divides us.
And no more phrases like "liberals". That immediately eliminates the possibility of a liberal wanting to have a polite discussion of his point of view here. Again, it just divides us.
We need unity, not more division. E pluribus unum.
I'm just going to flag posts and comments I find to be stirring up hate and division. Don't worry, you'll know what that means, and the author will be able to click the "edit" button to see just what it was that got the post or comment flagged. It will be clear and fair.
Yes, it's a kind of censorship, but my hope is that it will make this site more useful to people of good will who really want to understand their fellow citizens and improve life. While the MSM routinely censors "offensive" ideas like the Red Pill theory, or our innate differences by sex and race, I'm not going to do that. All ideas are still open for discussion in a civil manner. The tag-line "Freedom to Offend" was not being understood as I intended. It seemed to be generating posts that were deliberately and angrily offensive.
Sorry if it seems like the food-fight is over. Everyone is still very welcome to have their say, just treat others as you would wish to be treated, including other political parties and public figures, and you'll still be able to make any point you want.